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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue [Re: kk66] #7437500 02/18/19 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kk66
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Not trying to be a name caller, but here's my 2 cents:

First, Why is it anyone's problem that someone else doesn't make enough to support their hobbies? When I was younger I really liked fast cars, but made minimum wage. I was lucky to have been able to work enough overtime to make the note on a truck that Sanford & Sons would've been embarrased to drive. Should someone with a corvette have let me use their's for free or for reduced price? At the end of the day for the vast majority of people, hunting is a hobby. It's a traditional and very enjoyable hobby but it's still just a hobby.

Second, Texas has over a million acres of public land open to hunting. It may not always be easy or convenient to hunt, but anyone that wants to hunt just about any native game in Texas can for less than $100 in licenses and permits, and yes I hunt public land every year. Too often people that complain about lack of access don't want just hunting, but very very good hunting. Big deer, lots of turkeys, etc. don't happen without a lot of time and money invested in habitat improvement and work. They may be the state's deer but given the time and money myself and other landowners invest each year in planting food plots, timber stand improvements, reseeding native grasses, etc. I think the landowner has a vested right in saying what happens on their property. I know personally if the state were to mandate that I had to open my place up to anyone and everyone I most likely wouldn't invest in that stuff.

Third it's about priorities. I was lucky enough to have inherited some land and to have added a little to it, but there's still sacrifices that have been made over the years to keep it. Money that was saved to take a family vacation to Disney or something went to fix fence or replace washed out roads, etc. on at least a couple occasions. I don't spend nearly as much to hunt as some folks do but manage to make at least two outfitted hunts a year. I've got friends who constantly point out how they wish they had the money to blow like that, but then get real defensive when I point out that they all drive trucks less than 3 years old, have 4 wheelers, the latest electronics and usually buy several guns a year. I drive a 15 year old dodge with 250,000 miles on it that I bought used, have never owned a 4 wheeler, don't have cable tv, eat out maybe once every two months, still used a flip phone until recently and haven't bought a gun probably at least 5 years. They prefer to spend their money on things and I prefer to spend my money on hunting. To each their own.


I work in an industry wherein nearly every business owner claims he or she is a "Patriot," hires illegals, buys a new quad-cab dually every 2-years, and then complains about people voting democrat or getting welfare - so, I hear you!

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Have a great day, gentlemen - I have some work to do!

Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue [Re: The Zen Master] #7437511 02/18/19 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by The Zen Master

My Honda is fully paid for.
I CAN afford to hunt but I will never pay anyone $6K for a deer that belongs to The People of The State.
I do not drink, smoke, or do any drugs not prescribed by an MD.
I do not have CATV because stupidity bores me - same for video games - I do have an iPhone that I pay for - on time, every month!
I am self-employed I make $114K working from home.
I blame no one for my place in life - I have a very easy life.

I was just wanting to know how folks treat the po!

You are mighty presumptuous - seen lots of that round here.


I didn't make a single presumption, I answered your question, included links, that's all, if you read anything else into it seems you have awfully thin skin or a persecution complex.

You sound like you have very little experience, no one has to pay $6K to kill a deer, it just flat doesn't cost anywhere near $6K for a deer. That's just trolling for a reaction.

If you owned land suitable for hunting what would you charge strangers that wanted to run around on it with firearms to use it per season or year?
Or per deer?

Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue [Re: DQ Kid] #7437515 02/18/19 06:41 PM
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Leasing projections = lazy, when we have the ability to hunt 5.7 million acres with in a 7 hours drive of cedar creek.
1.5 mil in Texas, 1+-Mil in okla, 3.2 in Arkansas.

This is in addition to 1000’s of walk in acres under Land access program funded by the farm bill, license surcharge and land and conservation bill if passed again.


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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue [Re: The Zen Master] #7437519 02/18/19 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by The Zen Master
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I'd say ---> TPWD public lands
---> TPWD

Also, there are many leases available for less than $6000 per season or year, much less for a deer, many outfitters that offer doe & cull hunts for considerably less, several that offer reduced cost youth opportunities.

You have to decide on priorities in life.
Drive $50,000 vehicle but can't afford a place to hunt, have grown up toys but can't afford to hunt, have 3 kids but can only afford to support 1 so you can't afford to hunt.
Have money for beer/alcohol & tobacco, cable/satellite Tv, cell phones ipads, video games, etc... basically anything that isn't a necessity, but you can't afford to hunt.
Stay at a dead end job or stuck in an area with no job growth potential, never trying to improve yourself, can't afford to hunt.
Make generally poor life decisions then blame everyone but the one that made them, you can't afford to hunt.

Seriously if you whine about or focus on what you don't have, instead of the blessings you do have, you'll never be happy, no matter whether you can afford to hunt or not.


My Honda is fully paid for.
I CAN afford to hunt but I will never pay anyone $6K for a deer that belongs to The People of The State.
I do not drink, smoke, or do any drugs not prescribed by an MD.
I do not have CATV because stupidity bores me - same for video games - I do have an iPhone that I pay for - on time, every month!
I am self-employed I make $114K working from home.
I blame no one for my place in life - I have a very easy life.

I was just wanting to know how folks treat the po!

You are mighty presumptuous - seen lots of that round here.


So since you want to know, I want to know. What have you done to help someone "po"? Help someone "po" go hunting?

.......and you are wrong......the state owns the deer but they don't own the land. Road hunting is illegal so it comes down to public land or private. You will pay to hunt the states deer on private.....as it should be. We pull our own weight in this state. If your too poor to lease like I was when I was younger you hunt public land. You work and save to hunt on private land if it's important to you. You don't ask for cheese to go with your whine.

.......lastly it's none of your damn business how I treat the poor. I'd be willing to bet it's much more than you've done.......please prove me wrong.......


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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue [Re: The Zen Master] #7437543 02/18/19 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by The Zen Master
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Originally Posted by Rustler
I'd say ---> TPWD public lands
---> TPWD

Also, there are many leases available for less than $6000 per season or year, much less for a deer, many outfitters that offer doe & cull hunts for considerably less, several that offer reduced cost youth opportunities.

You have to decide on priorities in life.
Drive $50,000 vehicle but can't afford a place to hunt, have grown up toys but can't afford to hunt, have 3 kids but can only afford to support 1 so you can't afford to hunt.
Have money for beer/alcohol & tobacco, cable/satellite Tv, cell phones ipads, video games, etc... basically anything that isn't a necessity, but you can't afford to hunt.
Stay at a dead end job or stuck in an area with no job growth potential, never trying to improve yourself, can't afford to hunt.
Make generally poor life decisions then blame everyone but the one that made them, you can't afford to hunt.

Seriously if you whine about or focus on what you don't have, instead of the blessings you do have, you'll never be happy, no matter whether you can afford to hunt or not.


My Honda is fully paid for.
I CAN afford to hunt but I will never pay anyone $6K for a deer that belongs to The People of The State.
I do not drink, smoke, or do any drugs not prescribed by an MD.
I do not have CATV because stupidity bores me - same for video games - I do have an iPhone that I pay for - on time, every month!
I am self-employed I make $114K working from home.
I blame no one for my place in life - I have a very easy life.

You are mighty presumptuous - seen lots of that round here.


Obviously, he wasn't talking about you specifically. He was giving examples...


You must have missed this part? "Seriously if you whine about or focus on what you don't have"


How did he know you have 3 kids? Or drive a $50,000 vehicle? Those where examples....

And I didn't miss that part...it was a generic statement also, and a true one.

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Given the cost of land, IMO very few people could afford what it should cost to lease. In most business deals your 'lease' is more than paid for by the primary business-nobody is making land payments at $10-25/acre.

Zen doesn't have a bad idea but I just don't see it working. Also, you'd get a lot of under-the-table deals. Instead of officially leasing with the state, many people would just have their 'friends' come hunt on a cash-only basis. Another problem is that all land is not created equal, even within the same county. Then you get undesirables who come out and trash your place while shooting everything in sight.


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There are hundreds of thousands of acres of private land in Texas where you can hunt your deer until your heart is content. It’s called PACKAGED HUNTS; less expensive than most leases. What more could you want.

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Originally Posted by Walkabout
There are hundreds of thousands of acres of private land in Texas where you can hunt your deer until your heart is content. It’s called PACKAGED HUNTS; less expensive than most leases. What more could you want.

Apparently year round, unfettered access...

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Not the first supposed Buddhist I've seen that's argumentative as hell and is positive he's the smartest guy in the room. I'm no Buddhist, but I'm pretty sure The Buddha would not be impressed, particularly with a "Master".


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Originally Posted by The Zen Master
In my humble opinion, leasing land for hunting should only be legal if the land is leased to the State and hunting is open to any Citizen of the State on a draw system.



Wow!!!! popcorn

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Originally Posted by Creekrunner
Not the first supposed Buddhist I've seen that's argumentative as hell and is positive he's the smartest guy in the room. I'm no Buddhist, but I'm pretty sure The Buddha would not be impressed, particularly with a "Master".


I'm not a Buddhist - its just an internet name. You should study why people become defensive when they hear an idea they don't like...

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Originally Posted by QuitShootinYoungBucks
Given the cost of land, IMO very few people could afford what it should cost to lease. In most business deals your 'lease' is more than paid for by the primary business-nobody is making land payments at $10-25/acre.

Zen doesn't have a bad idea but I just don't see it working. Also, you'd get a lot of under-the-table deals. Instead of officially leasing with the state, many people would just have their 'friends' come hunt on a cash-only basis. Another problem is that all land is not created equal, even within the same county. Then you get undesirables who come out and trash your place while shooting everything in sight.


Thank you.


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Originally Posted by The Zen Master
OK next question - sincerely, what do you tell all the poor folks


I tell them tough [censored]. The same thing that I get told when I can’t afford what I want.

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OK next question - sincerely, what do you tell all the poor folks


I tell them tough [censored]. The same thing that I get told when I can’t afford what I want.



I betcha they think the same exact thing about you, when they vote for Beto!

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my buddy lost his cattle lease the 300 acres sold, the new owner pd 12 million, you guessed it from Ca. , Mike had it for over 20yrs.


hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Dang I spent 30 minutes today arguing with a guy from cedar Creek. That's how boring my job is. Literally cedar Creek next I'll get bored and try and sell tooth paste in Quinlan

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Don't worry, land access will be AirBnB soon...

https://outdooraccess.com/#/

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Originally Posted by colt45
my buddy lost his cattle lease the 300 acres sold, the new owner pd 12 million, you guessed it from Ca. , Mike had it for over 20yrs.


So, it is greed that is killing hunting? Interesting...

Do you think those "Kalifornians" are going to honor Texas traditions?

Are the Kalifornians bad for bringing their nutty ideas to Texas, or is Mike bad for selling out to them and putting his own self-interest ahead of his fellow Texicans?

I'm asking for a friend.

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Don't worry, land access will be AirBnB soon...

https://outdooraccess.com/#/


"Slick" website. I couldn't help noticing on the nice lady LO's testimonial - "and you get a nice check in the mail." roflmao Classic. What could possibly go wrong?


And colt45 - Where in the state did someone pay $40K an acre for 300?


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Originally Posted by The Zen Master
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my buddy lost his cattle lease the 300 acres sold, the new owner pd 12 million, you guessed it from Ca. , Mike had it for over 20yrs.


So, it is greed that is killing hunting? Interesting...

Do you think those "Kalifornians" are going to honor Texas traditions?

Are the Kalifornians bad for bringing their nutty ideas to Texas, or is Mike bad for selling out to them and putting his own self-interest ahead of his fellow Texicans?

I'm asking for a friend.



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my buddy lost his cattle lease the 300 acres sold, the new owner pd 12 million, you guessed it from Ca. , Mike had it for over 20yrs.


So, it is greed that is killing hunting? Interesting...

Do you think those "Kalifornians" are going to honor Texas traditions?

Are the Kalifornians bad for bringing their nutty ideas to Texas, or is Mike bad for selling out to them and putting his own self-interest ahead of his fellow Texicans?

I'm asking for a friend.



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What's the matter, cowboy - questions too hard for you to answer?

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I find it hard to believe it is so tough to find a place to hunt. My landlord, who could probably afford to hunt wherever he wants, hunts davy crockett national forest and not because it's free. Apparently the hunting there is just that good and the woods are loaded with deer.

On top of that, members of this forum have been very generous to me. The only reason I haven't hunted here yet is because I don't have the time. I'm pretty swamped.

That said, I have some relatives that pay a handsome sum every year just in property tax for just a couple of acres. A whole lot more than most people are spending for their deer lease.

If I had land I can't imagine I'd lease it to anyone for any sum, but might have to in order to cover the taxes if I ever retired. Think about that! Makes you wonder how many people lease just to cover the damn property taxes.

If you want to hunt for free, drive to a place where you can. If it's too far to make a day of it, go camping and make a weekend out of it. It's not rocket surgery. Good habitat is available damn near for free, you can still hunt for less than the cost of meat in the store if you do a little homework. Although to be fair, others did the homework for me and pointed me in the right direction.

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my buddy lost his cattle lease the 300 acres sold, the new owner pd 12 million, you guessed it from Ca. , Mike had it for over 20yrs.


So, it is greed that is killing hunting? Interesting...

Do you think those "Kalifornians" are going to honor Texas traditions?

Are the Kalifornians bad for bringing their nutty ideas to Texas, or is Mike bad for selling out to them and putting his own self-interest ahead of his fellow Texicans?

I'm asking for a friend.



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What's the matter, cowboy - questions too hard for you to answer?


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Originally Posted by regularguy11B
I find it hard to believe it is so tough to find a place to hunt. My landlord, who could probably afford to hunt wherever he wants, hunts davy crockett national forest and not because it's free. Apparently the hunting there is just that good and the woods are loaded with deer.

On top of that, members of this forum have been very generous to me. The only reason I haven't hunted here yet is because I don't have the time. I'm pretty swamped.

That said, I have some relatives that pay a handsome sum every year just in property tax for just a couple of acres. A whole lot more than most people are spending for their deer lease.javascript:quickReply(7438241,1,0)

If I had land I can't imagine I'd lease it to anyone for any sum, but might have to in order to cover the taxes if I ever retired. Think about that! Makes you wonder how many people lease just to cover the damn property taxes.

If you want to hunt for free, drive to a place where you can. If it's too far to make a day of it, go camping and make a weekend out of it. It's not rocket surgery. Good habitat is available damn near for free, you can still hunt for less than the cost of meat in the store if you do a little homework. Although to be fair, others did the homework for me and pointed me in the right direction.


Thank you - Davy Crockett National Forest has a nice ring to it! I will check out your recommendations.

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