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Annealing Brass ?
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I was talking with an older gentleman the other day about annealing brass. It's something I've never done but am considering. He told me that factory brass needs to be annealed but military brass does not because it has been annealed. Is that correct, or does brass need to be annealed periodically?
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Re: Annealing Brass ?
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02/15/19 03:58 PM
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would not until it has been shot twice but that is me not sure who anneals from factory
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Re: Annealing Brass ?
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Regardless of if it’s been annealed before brass needs to be maintained to get the best consistency and life from it. Sizing it work hardens it. It may be the only common metal that gets harder instead of softer when worked. Annealed brass just puts its one sizing ahead of non annealed brass. Maybe two since people size it when they get it. The only brass I know of that is ready to load an annealed is Nosler. There you are two steps ahead. It’s excellent brass but still does not have the longevity of Lapua or Norma that is maintained.
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I was talking with an older gentleman the other day about annealing brass. It's something I've never done but am considering. He told me that factory brass needs to be annealed but military brass does not because it has been annealed. Is that correct, or does brass need to be annealed periodically? Which factory brass isn't annealed? Most that I have seen is. Yes, brass will need to be annealed to prevent work hardening after several firings. I anneal after about 2 firings. Some cases will need it more frequent, some will need it less, depending on the cartridge. Here's a picture of annealed case. It's a little extreme in the color difference, but sometimes you will not see this much color variation. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.petersoncartridge.com/images/mouth-neck-anneal.jpg)
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Re: Annealing Brass ?
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Lapua comes annealed as well.
I've never annealed brand new brass. Lapua, and Nosler get loaded straight out of the box. Everything else gets sized, trimmed, loaded. After two firings, it gets cleaned an annealed until primer pockets get loose. My Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor brass went 7 firings before some of the primer pockets got loose. And it was a load, well above published max. 7 firings in "commoner" brass is plenty good for me.
No matter what you do to Federal brass, the primer pockets will give it up, early. Federal is notoriously soft.
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I don't anneal new brass but I do anneal after every firing. I mainly use Lapua brass and they need an expander prior to being loaded out of the box...necks are normally WAY to tight for my liking.
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Re: Annealing Brass ?
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I never anneal new brass either. New brass are already factory annealed. After every 2 firings I anneal the whole batch, so far I have 10 firings on my .308 Lapua brass and pockets are still tight and shoots straight.
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Thanks for the replies.Chad I just assumed that Win, RP, PMC were not annealed. They don't have the same color change around the neck as LC
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I was talking with an older gentleman the other day about annealing brass. It's something I've never done but am considering. He told me that factory brass needs to be annealed but military brass does not because it has been annealed. Is that correct, or does brass need to be annealed periodically? A simple comparison is a piece of bailing wire. It takes considerable force to cut with wire cutters. If you bend it back and forth repeatedly in the same spot, it will become brittle then weaken and break. The same thing happens with your brass. With each firing, pressure expands the neck and shoulder to the dimensions of the chamber. When we run it into the sizer we bend it back the other way. After fireforming, the shoulder should only move a few thousandths each way. The neck moves considerably more. It is for this reason that split necks are where brass will commonly fail with repeated firings. Before that starts happening, as your brass is repeatly fired and sized, it loses malleability. Neck tension of your cases becomes inconsistent. It may manifest as flyers or your groups may open up. This is telling you it is getting brittle. If you keep loading it, you will start getting split necks. When you anneal, you relieve the stress in the metal and the malleability and consistency returns. I anneal most of my brass every third firing. I shoot 300WM and 7RM a good bit. I anneal it every other firing.
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I was talking with an older gentleman the other day about annealing brass. It's something I've never done but am considering. He told me that factory brass needs to be annealed but military brass does not because it has been annealed. Is that correct, or does brass need to be annealed periodically? A simple comparison is a piece of bailing wire. It takes considerable force to cut with wire cutters. If you bend it back and forth repeatedly in the same spot, it will become brittle then weaken and break. The same thing happens with your brass. With each firing, pressure expands the neck and shoulder to the dimensions of the chamber. When we run it into the sizer we bend it back the other way. After fireforming, the shoulder should only move a few thousandths each way. The neck moves considerably more. It is for this reason that split necks are where brass will commonly fail with repeated firings. Before that starts happening, as your brass is repeatly fired and sized, it loses malleability. Neck tension of your cases becomes inconsistent. It may manifest as flyers or your groups may open up. This is telling you it is getting brittle. If you keep loading it, you will start getting split necks. When you anneal, you relieve the stress in the metal and the malleability and consistency returns. I anneal most of my brass every third firing. I shoot 300WM and 7RM a good bit. I anneal it every other firing. All true. Another example I use is old railroad track versus new railroad track. The surface of old railroad track is harder, because it has been work hardened via millions of pounds of trains running across it for decades.
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Re: Annealing Brass ?
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I anneal after the 30-06 and 6.8 SPC every other reloading. .223/5.56 I don't bother with. I just toss it after 2 - 3 times.
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