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Why is there no ammo on the shelves #740360 05/29/09 01:55 AM
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I know this has probably been talked about before BUT

Can someone help me understand why there is no ammo on the shelves.
I just don't believe that it gets bought up that fast. I don't think retailers are buying as much as they should to keep the supply going. People have been buying ammo for years so why a shortage now when the prices are so high.
I could understand if the prices were low and there was a shortage cause people bought it at a good deal but when prices are high I just don't get it.
Here's why, I for one have not bought any over the counter ammo in over 10 years. Well excluding 22 rimfire.
Are there just that many (mor ons) that have never had to buy ammo cause they all of a sudden decided to buy a gun for the first time in their life????
Please help me out here will you.

I have actually been selling off my factory ammo cause prices are so high to fund my reloading stock.


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The ammo is nowhere to be found. I have a friend that has a gun shop, and his supplier told him to not place any more orders. When he has supplies he will call and tell him what he could order.


Re: Why is there no ammo on the shelves [Re: helomech] #740362 05/29/09 03:07 AM
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Re: Why is there no ammo on the shelves [Re: nobody] #740363 05/29/09 03:13 AM
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That's not as easy to answer as I first thought it was going to be. At first, I would say that we were panic buying all the ammo. While I still think we (or some) were, I think that phase is about over. There's ammo all over the various forums that isn't selling. Recently saw that Wolf 55gr HP were down to $305/1000 at one supplier and he claimed to have it in stock. I'll never understand the 380 thing.

I was at Wal-Mart the other day and their shelves were basically bare. I was looking at their .22 rifles. A guy walks up and asks about 9mm ammo. She says "Sure, but you can only buy a limited number". She opens a door under the counter (you can't see into it) and it's full of handgun ammo. I wasn't looking for any so I didn't ask what all she had. If you don't see it, ask. It can't hurt.



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Re: Why is there no ammo on the shelves [Re: PrimitiveHunter] #740364 05/29/09 07:38 AM
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Political???????
I think it is because of our Democratic Communist Government that has been in office now going on 6 years ++ from what I understand.
If that makes any sense at all.
What I see going on cannot be good for a so called free society we call America!
Meaning bankruptcies being bailed out by the government and subsidising other businesses to other countries. Where in the world does that come from????
I'm sorry but our government is making real Americans look like a bunch of loosers.

I have asked this long ago but who really won the WAR.
If we did then why is there so many foreigners living in Hawaii?????
Hey look where the latest came from. And he's not even a real American........

Yes, this is my rant just burning off some steam and maybe you can help me shed some light on the subject!!!

I'm tired of being pissed off or is it pissed on!!
I haven't figured it out yet!


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From what i herd the reason 380 is impossible to get is they ammo company's are selling so much 9mm ammo they are not re tooling for 380.




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Re: Why is there no ammo on the shelves [Re: Koenig] #740366 05/30/09 01:45 AM
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Okay I just called around to several Wally world stores asking for 22 ammo in the Federal 550 packs none had them in stock and all said that it has been over 1 month since they have seen any at all.
Since this type of ammo is not used by the Military or Police or any other particular use at all. I am removing all your guesstimations of why you think there is no ammo available.
I'm convinced this is all Politicaly Motivated by your great government.(and I used lower cased letters on purpose)
We need to get on the ban wagon as we the people and teach the know it alls running for office that we put them there for better reasons than to restrict curtain types of living.
Does this make sense to you??


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I'm convinced this is all Politically Motivated by your great government.




I am beginning to conclude the same thing myself. Is the shortage really due to everyone buying up all the ammunition? I wonder?

When you stop and think about how long the libs have been trying to get control of the guns without having that much luck, you have to wonder if they are starting to do it with a "back door" method. If you can't get the ammo, the guns are useless. And for re loaders the same thing goes with primers. No primers, no more reloading.

Apparently all the ammo manufacturing lines are in full operation. Who's to say some de facto government agency is buying up all the ammo before it gets to the consumers.

I am not saying this is really happening, but it is getting me to start thinking that it might be a possibility.


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None of the above, so many people started hoarding ammo after the elections that is one reason why their is an ammo shortage. What does an individual need 10,000 rounds in each caliber of weapon they own? Panic buying, the gun owners are scared that the current administration will ban or super tax ammo. Rightfully so, there is no amendment that guarantees ammo only that you can own guns. From what little I have see the ammo, and reloading supplies shortage has seemed to have peaked. I think we are in for a little easing of prices and more availability in the next few months.

This happened back when Clinton was elected, just not on this wide of a scale. Primers started to get scarce and so did brass. There also was no war going on back then so the military wasn't using as much ammo. But in the end it all settled down and was back to normal.



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Okay dogc, if you say so. I will call you on this later!
But why is it that one of the largest sellers of ammo can't get basic 22 ammo? And I do mean can not get it cause no wally world stores have it or have had it.

Peace

The only way I see to stop the shortage is for the price to get so high that you people finally decide to not buy it.
I've been wondering all along why you people would buy something that was so rediculously priced in the first place.
And this goes with anything over priced!!!!! Includung gas, boycot it and do something else. I don't care if you have to stop driving completely!!!

Here's what I have done. I just put the same cost amount of gas in my vehicle so my expenses didn't go up and just drove where I absolutly had to. So $25 just didn't buy as much as it use to it still got me where I needed to go!


Re: Why is there no ammo on the shelves [Re: nobody] #740371 05/31/09 02:35 AM
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Right now the demand is for larger calibers and the manufacturers make more money off them. Why would the manufactures make the smaller not as profitable items when the money is flowing for the big stuff.

The price will start to drop when the hoarding has reached it limit. Then the ones that paid some crazy price will be stuck with it. It happened in the Clinton era, just not on the scale it is happening today. I know people that made a killing back then, they bought mega dollars of ammo, high capacity magazines etc.. Then when the shortage hit the price sky rocketed like today, then they sold at the inflated prices.



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Okay dogc, if you say so. I will call you on this later!
But why is it that one of the largest sellers of ammo can't get basic 22 ammo? And I do mean can not get it cause no wally world stores have it or have had it.

Peace

The only way I see to stop the shortage is for the price to get so high that you people finally decide to not buy it.
I've been wondering all along why you people would buy something that was so rediculously priced in the first place.
And this goes with anything over priced!!!!! Includung gas, boycot it and do something else. I don't care if you have to stop driving completely!!!

Here's what I have done. I just put the same cost amount of gas in my vehicle so my expenses didn't go up and just drove where I absolutly had to. So $25 just didn't buy as much as it use to it still got me where I needed to go!




I already only drive where I need to. It is rare I leave my house if I don't have to. I only buy as much gas as I need. Ammo on the other hand, I have lots of it.


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I bought a 525 round value pack of 22lr Remington Golden Bullets yesterday at Academy. They had about twenty boxes of it plus a bunch of Federal 50 round boxes. Right now, Wal-Mart has the worst (least) selection of ammo. Their buyers either aren't trying or don't intend to carry ammo much longer.



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It is not the people that have always had a stock pile of ammo that is causing this. It is the new gun owners and the former gun owners that used to only keep a box or 2 of ammo from season to season. Look at the classifieds, someone can put a notice up of 500 rounds at a decent price and there is a mob to buy it. Now how many would have mobbed this ad 1 year or 2 years ago?

Helo, look the ad about the 30 cal carbine ammo, I was first, and how many asked about it after I said I would take it. And it wasn't even for me, a friend had been looking for some so I scarfed it up for him. One of those guys that was used to buying a couple of boxes of 20 every year that now has an arsenal with an ammunition dump.



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Talked to another wally world today and they haven't been getting the 22 550 pack boxes either but they get other ammo pretty regular but it's all gone in 1 hour he said.
So I said if that's the case they need to order more at a time or hire someone that knows how to do inventory!!!!

He didn't take that one kindly. LOL
must be him doing the books!!!


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It is not the people that have always had a stock pile of ammo that is causing this. It is the new gun owners and the former gun owners that used to only keep a box or 2 of ammo from season to season. Look at the classifieds, someone can put a notice up of 500 rounds at a decent price and there is a mob to buy it. Now how many would have mobbed this ad 1 year or 2 years ago?

Helo, look the ad about the 30 cal carbine ammo, I was first, and how many asked about it after I said I would take it. And it wasn't even for me, a friend had been looking for some so I scarfed it up for him. One of those guys that was used to buying a couple of boxes of 20 every year that now has an arsenal with an ammunition dump.




Yeah, I remember that I still haven't found any .30 carbine ammo.


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It depends on where you go. Gibsons in Kerrville has all the ammo in any caliber you could need. But, you can only buy one box a day.

A better question is why a box of 22-250 shells cost me 30 bucks!



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A better question is why a box of 22-250 shells cost me 30 bucks!




Because they know people will pay that much or more.



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My local gunshop has finally started to slow down some, I went in Friday to check and make sure my Kimber Montana did'nt make it a little early and they said they finally had a slow week. Maybe people have finally got the supplies they think they need!!


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I work for a wholesale distributor. We here it every day. There seem to be several pieces to this puzzle.
First is manufacturing. The ammo makers knew that there would be a spike in demand, but noone could have imagined that there would be this kind of spike. In an effort to keep up with this demand, they scaled back the production of the less popular loads in favor of those most asked for. They also tried to pump up production as fast as possable. One might recall that raw metal material prices were all very high when this panic run began, thus making it that much harder for the makers to buy enough raw to produce product. This is why there is no 380 to speak of. 9mm and 380 are m,ade on the same production lines and 9mm sells much better that 380, usually.
All of this being said, large box stores get first crack at what is there. Each wally world is getting about 5 boxes of various ammo a day. I know that there are dealers waiting to buy whatever lands on there shelves in my area everyday. There is still ammo on Cabela's and Bass Pro shelves right now. It is not the wide variety we are used to, but it is there.
The last piece is the consumer. A big part of the ammo I get to sell to my dealers comes to me in case lots. I sell it to them in case lots and they used to split it up into boxes. They are finding now that the guy who used to buy one or two boxes to shoot at the range, now wants to buy a case or two...just in case the zombies come. This puts even more stress on an already strained marketplace.
The ammo is loosening up a bit and, I belive that, in a few more month, there will be a ton of bulk ammo that was purchased in a panic, available on the open market.
This is just my opinion and worth what it cost you.
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I have picked up 2 cases of Winchester Ranger 45 (black talon law enforcement)from OMB express in the past 2 weeks at very good prices. The bonded ammo was about $29 for 50 shipped and the "T" series was I think $26 for 50 shipped. I got 500 rounds each.



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I was in Cheaper Than Dirt in Ft Worth today and they had every caliber you could want... But they should rename the place "Higher then Hell". The Hornady .45 ACP I was shopping for was $30 for a 20 box.



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This will all go away soon. This will pass as price increases supply will rebound. The stock market will do the same thing. When everyone realizes Obama will not be able to do more than Clinton did prices will go back down and then all these guy's will be looking to unload some unwanted (hoarded) ammo to put gifts under the tree for Christmas and that is when I will stock back up on reloading supplies but be able to save good money on these guy's dollar. Emotion is a bad thing in the market place. Casino's and Horse tracks make billions on emotion every year. The new age American has got to see thru and use their head. All this Emotion is running this country into the ground. Quit reacting like a bunch of school girls and use common sence.



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