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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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However for the average man living in a metro area hunting is a rich man’s game. I guess I may be confused as to how people are defining "rich". Keep in mind that I have NOT hunted public lands in Texas in over 15 years (but I will be this year). I enjoy hunting in places like Alaska where it's more you vs. the wild and the chances of coming across other hunters in the bush are as close to 0 as it gets (well, at least where I hunt). Now on to the topic: I live in Houston, the largest metro area in Texas and while I will wholeheartedly agree that public hunting options are limited in Texas, there are still plenty of public lands to hunt. Certainly, you will need to travel at least an hour away (but it takes me 2 hours to drive down town in morning traffic, so driving an hour AWAY from Houston is a light drive). An hour away is Sam Houston - that is almost 163,000 acres. If you start looking at a two hour drive range, you got many more options: The Alabama Creek WMA portion of Davy Crockett is almost 15,000 acres (and there are another dozen or so areas within a 2 hour range). Is public hunting limited? ABOSLUTELY. But it does exist and it's cheap to hunt. So let's see what cost we are looking at for a new hunter: Hunters Ed Course: Online NRA class qualifies and is FREE - but you do have to pay the $5 state fee after you finish it. Hunting License (Resident): $25 Annual Public Hunting Permit (For Public Lands): $48 So you are all set to hunt public lands in Texas for a total of: $78 Now in the LARGEST metro area in TX, getting up to the largest public hunting area (Sam Houston) is about 40 miles (80 round trip). To keep it simple, we'll call gas $3/gallon and say you are driving a gas hog up to Sam Houston that only gets 15 miles/gallon. Roundtrip hunting trip will burn about 5 1/2 gallons of gas, for a whopping total of: $16.50 So a brand new hunter who has to get his training/licensing in place will pay a total of $94.5 to go hunt 163,000 acres of Sam Houston. And after that first hunt, they'll be paying a total of $16.50 every day they hunt it afterwards. I don't really know anyone who calls a man with $100 a rich man. Sure, if you want to go hunting for a day and have the best odds of coming home with a trophy buck - you can lease someone's private land and that can be expensive. But preferring the expensive options over the cheap options, doesn't make hunting a rich man's game.
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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However for the average man living in a metro area hunting is a rich man’s game. I guess I may be confused as to how people are defining "rich". Keep in mind that I have NOT hunted public lands in Texas in over 15 years (but I will be this year). I enjoy hunting in places like Alaska where it's more you vs. the wild and the chances of coming across other hunters in the bush are as close to 0 as it gets (well, at least where I hunt). Now on to the topic: I live in Houston, the largest metro area in Texas and while I will wholeheartedly agree that public hunting options are limited in Texas, there are still plenty of public lands to hunt. Certainly, you will need to travel at least an hour away (but it takes me 2 hours to drive down town in morning traffic, so driving an hour AWAY from Houston is a light drive). An hour away is Sam Houston - that is almost 163,000 acres. If you start looking at a two hour drive range, you got many more options: The Alabama Creek WMA portion of Davy Crockett is almost 15,000 acres (and there are another dozen or so areas within a 2 hour range). Is public hunting limited? ABOSLUTELY. But it does exist and it's cheap to hunt. So let's see what cost we are looking at for a new hunter: Hunters Ed Course: Online NRA class qualifies and is FREE - but you do have to pay the $5 state fee after you finish it. Hunting License (Resident): $25 Annual Public Hunting Permit (For Public Lands): $48 So you are all set to hunt public lands in Texas for a total of: $78 Now in the LARGEST metro area in TX, getting up to the largest public hunting area (Sam Houston) is about 40 miles (80 round trip). To keep it simple, we'll call gas $3/gallon and say you are driving a gas hog up to Sam Houston that only gets 15 miles/gallon. Roundtrip hunting trip will burn about 5 1/2 gallons of gas, for a whopping total of: $16.50 So a brand new hunter who has to get his training/licensing in place will pay a total of $94.5 to go hunt 163,000 acres of Sam Houston. And after that first hunt, they'll be paying a total of $16.50 every day they hunt it afterwards. I don't really know anyone who calls a man with $100 a rich man. Sure, if you want to go hunting for a day and have the best odds of coming home with a trophy buck - you can lease someone's private land and that can be expensive. But preferring the expensive options over the cheap options, doesn't make hunting a rich man's game. 
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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However for the average man living in a metro area hunting is a rich man’s game. I guess I may be confused as to how people are defining "rich". Keep in mind that I have NOT hunted public lands in Texas in over 15 years (but I will be this year). I enjoy hunting in places like Alaska where it's more you vs. the wild and the chances of coming across other hunters in the bush are as close to 0 as it gets (well, at least where I hunt). Now on to the topic: I live in Houston, the largest metro area in Texas and while I will wholeheartedly agree that public hunting options are limited in Texas, there are still plenty of public lands to hunt. Certainly, you will need to travel at least an hour away (but it takes me 2 hours to drive down town in morning traffic, so driving an hour AWAY from Houston is a light drive). An hour away is Sam Houston - that is almost 163,000 acres. If you start looking at a two hour drive range, you got many more options: The Alabama Creek WMA portion of Davy Crockett is almost 15,000 acres (and there are another dozen or so areas within a 2 hour range). Is public hunting limited? ABOSLUTELY. But it does exist and it's cheap to hunt. So let's see what cost we are looking at for a new hunter: Hunters Ed Course: Online NRA class qualifies and is FREE - but you do have to pay the $5 state fee after you finish it. Hunting License (Resident): $25 Annual Public Hunting Permit (For Public Lands): $48 So you are all set to hunt public lands in Texas for a total of: $78 Now in the LARGEST metro area in TX, getting up to the largest public hunting area (Sam Houston) is about 40 miles (80 round trip). To keep it simple, we'll call gas $3/gallon and say you are driving a gas hog up to Sam Houston that only gets 15 miles/gallon. Roundtrip hunting trip will burn about 5 1/2 gallons of gas, for a whopping total of: $16.50 So a brand new hunter who has to get his training/licensing in place will pay a total of $94.5 to go hunt 163,000 acres of Sam Houston. And after that first hunt, they'll be paying a total of $16.50 every day they hunt it afterwards. I don't really know anyone who calls a man with $100 a rich man. Sure, if you want to go hunting for a day and have the best odds of coming home with a trophy buck - you can lease someone's private land and that can be expensive. But preferring the expensive options over the cheap options, doesn't make hunting a rich man's game. Spot on,good post.And the exact same thing applies to folks living in the DFW,Austin and San Antonio areas.
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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Reading these posts, it pretty relates to what I said earlier: You can either pay a little money to do the hunting yourself, or pay lots of money to have someone do most of the hunting for you.
I can go pay an owner $400 to shoot a hog, that were scouted with his/her game cameras, that were baited with his/her feeder, while I'm sitting in his/her blind.
Or I can just go to Somerville or Sam Houston and shoot one myself for free.
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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You can either pay a little money to do the hunting yourself, or pay lots of money to have someone do most of the hunting for you.
I can go pay an owner $400 to shoot a hog, that were scouted with his/her game cameras, that were baited with his/her feeder, while I'm sitting in his/her blind.
Or I can just go to Somerville or Sam Houston and shoot one myself for free.
That's what it comes down to. Personally, I've never baited, never used game cameras, tree stands or hunting blinds (and don't care to have people do it for me). I'm sure quite a few people are going to want to bash me on this one but I've always said if you are sitting in a tree stand or hunting blind - you aren't hunting, you're waiting LOL No fun in that to me. I like to get out there and stalk my prey. Scout the signs and track what you want to kill - that's hunting to me. Earn it.
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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he gist of the Texas Monthly article was that due to the high cost of hunting, in time there will be fewer hunters.
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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8 Reading these posts, it pretty relates to what I said earlier: You can either pay a little money to do the hunting yourself, or pay lots of money to have someone do most of the hunting for you.
I can go pay an owner $400 to shoot a hog, that were scouted with his/her game cameras, that were baited with his/her feeder, while I'm sitting in his/her blind.
Or I can just go to Somerville or Sam Houston and shoot one myself for free.
 twas a Blessing when the OSBWMA opened ta public hunting. $200.00 lease could fit inta budget, twas a family outing, camping, & chance ta do some  en & chillen.  interesting thread. 
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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It all depends. My lease is middle of the road in costs, I have an old rebuilt modest camper, a decent 4 wheeler (paid off now), and last year I bought a blind (built ones previous to that) and 2 home made feeders. Everything I acquired I bought/built over time.
I've had guys come join my lease and immediately go buy a nice camper, ranger, nice blind; etc Literally drop 20,000-30,000 year one. Or I have had guys who want to get into the hobby that think that need to buy all that stuff year one so they get the impression it is a rich man's hobby.
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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It all depends. My lease is middle of the road in costs, I have an old rebuilt modest camper, a decent 4 wheeler (paid off now), and last year I bought a blind (built ones previous to that) and 2 home made feeders. Everything I acquired I bought/built over time.
I've had guys come join my lease and immediately go buy a nice camper, ranger, nice blind; etc Literally drop 20,000-30,000 year one. Or I have had guys who want to get into the hobby that think that need to buy all that stuff year one so they get the impression it is a rich man's hobby.  in 83 only deer rifle had twas me ol friend old Kentucky, from d 70's,  ya, i gots names for some of me guns. The ol cap & ball me & me pard from our  fast draw days usdta deer hunt with. Back then only had 3 days for buck only in Mn. Shotgun or muzzleloader,  thinken before in-lines, very few muzzleloaders back then. 83 had place ta hunt, Smith Co was buck only, couldn't get doe tag, not enough deer. First lease, it had 24-7-365 hog hunts, 1,100acres, rufly 10-12hunters at $200.00 year round lease, it was afordable, compaired ta other leases, only reason got on lease. Low-income, $200.00 can buy lots of meat. Climb tree for a stand. Started with jungle hammack ta sleep in. Wife, wanted ta come ta lease, old trailer was their, slept few times whin rained. Big ol rats, she found small shasta camper, we did the tent camping at parks, so camper was ivestment for family outing. Found old trails, oaks, droppings, rubs scraps, creek crossings, ol school hunting vs excecative hunts. Cossy blind, food plots, sit & wait. Did build box stand, food plots, corn feeders on leases. Learned real quick, the gotta pay ta play tricks. Avoided them. So My posts usualy been for lower-income workers, hog hunts WMA do it your-self hunts. People wanna spend big bucks for few #'s of meat,  wasn't how i was raised, tip me  hat ta me wife, she reminds me of d song: Second hand Rose, she didnt spend money foolishly, & tried ta pass it on,  ya, i think it has.just my  every one has a right ta thar own opinion, like the ol saying goes,  opinions are like, ____, i like me chilly with beens. Pappy, tell me bout the good ol day's. When hunten twas the price of Gov. food stamps. How many can remember them days. 
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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Easy answer here.My dad and uncles always had plenty of money to hunt west texas leases when I was growing up.I believe I am in a better paying job level than they were then and I really can't afford 2 - 10 thousand dollars a year to hunt the same area.Simple math to me.But I have learned to enjpy hunting the forrest and lower cost east texas leases.
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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Trophy hunting always has been a rich mans game and always will be.
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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Hunting isn’t a rich man’s sport. The statement that it is, is simply a projection/excuse for being lazy and spoiled.
If you can’t find a scarifice to afford you an opportunity to get to hunt, you just don’t want to hunt bad enough, which is fine, just don’t project about it not being as high as other things on your propriety list.
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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Hunting isn’t a rich man’s sport. The statement that it is, is simply a projection/excuse for being lazy and spoiled.
If you can’t find a scarifice to afford you an opportunity to get to hunt, you just don’t want to hunt bad enough, which is fine, just don’t project about it not being as high as other things on your propriety list.
Well said and I'm sure more than just me agree!
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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Hunting isn’t a rich man’s sport. The statement that it is, is simply a projection/excuse for being lazy and spoiled.
If you can’t find a scarifice to afford you an opportunity to get to hunt, you just don’t want to hunt bad enough, which is fine, just don’t project about it not being as high as other things on your propriety list.
Well said and I'm sure more than just me agree! Here here
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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Hunting isn’t a rich man’s sport. The statement that it is, is simply a projection/excuse for being lazy and spoiled.
If you can’t find a scarifice to afford you an opportunity to get to hunt, you just don’t want to hunt bad enough, which is fine, just don’t project about it not being as high as other things on your propriety list.
 say's the Rich man who sits in his box stand, waiting... Not spending thousands of $$$ for a few #'s of meat for  en & chillen dosnt make a person lasy & spoiled, No spending thousands of $$$ for a lease tis NOT a priority. Did the execative hunts, sitting in box stand, waiting over baited areas, twas a Blessing when a WMA opened up just down the road. Seen the Rich mans games played... Spend time & money only ta get out bid... Hunting twas family outings, twas how raised in Minnesota & when leased, kept it ta under a buck a day. 
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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The part that really makes it expensive is mounting everything you shoot!! Taxidermy costs have gone through the roof.
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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Hunting in todays dollars are actually not much different than hunting in 1980 dollars. I looked at an old price list we used in 1980. Axis Bucks were $750. In todays dollars that is $2231 Just about the same.
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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Hunting in todays dollars are actually not much different than hunting in 1980 dollars. I looked at an old price list we used in 1980. Axis Bucks were $750. In todays dollars that is $2231 Just about the same.  me grammer not the best Don... 80's minimum wage vs price of hamburger... 2018 minimum wage vs price of steak... 
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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Hunting in todays dollars are actually not much different than hunting in 1980 dollars. I looked at an old price list we used in 1980. Axis Bucks were $750. In todays dollars that is $2231 Just about the same.  me grammer not the best Don... 80's minimum wage vs price of hamburger... 2018 minimum wage vs price of steak...  Actually you have that backwards. 1980's ribeye vs 2018 hamburger.
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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Hunting in todays dollars are actually not much different than hunting in 1980 dollars. I looked at an old price list we used in 1980. Axis Bucks were $750. In todays dollars that is $2231 Just about the same.  me grammer not the best Don... 80's minimum wage vs price of hamburger... 2018 minimum wage vs price of steak...  Actually you have that backwards. 1980's ribeye vs 2018 hamburger. 
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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Nope it has not. Some people find any reason not to do something. Others find a way to do anything. It's the same mentality you'll find in Dems blame the "rich man". Well put, way back in September. (Kristen Wiig slays me.) 
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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Hunting in todays dollars are actually not much different than hunting in 1980 dollars. I looked at an old price list we used in 1980. Axis Bucks were $750. In todays dollars that is $2231 Just about the same.  me grammer not the best Don... 80's minimum wage vs price of hamburger... 2018 minimum wage vs price of steak...  Actually you have that backwards. 1980's ribeye vs 2018 hamburger.   in 1980 was making ruffly $2.50 an hour couldnt afford a steak, 2018 think minimum wage roughly $7.45 or liittle more, price of steak roughly $3.00... 
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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Nope it has not. Some people find any reason not to do something. Others find a way to do anything. It's the same mentality you'll find in Dems blame the "rich man".  as pappy once said: in dis day & age tis tough seperating the from d rest of d crap Thfs best victim. actualy seen the games being played on leases b4 got on  HF.... Just look at your so called hog problem... Twas a Blessing wfhen a WMA opened up just down the road.... " As pappy say's: its not an execative hunt were ya bait & wait... " 
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Re: Has Hunting Become a Rich Man’s Game?
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Colt you just won't give up. Hunting in real dollars is not any more expensive than in quite a few years. People piss off more money on eating out, going to movies, smoking or any other of the hundreds of vices that humans have than hunting. If you enjoy, it hunt. If you want to piss and moan stay at home.
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Colt you just won't give up. Hunting in real dollars is not any more expensive than in quite a few years. People piss off more money on eating out, going to movies, smoking or any other of the hundreds of vices that humans have than hunting. If you enjoy, it hunt. If you want to piss and moan stay at home. Some hunters can afford ta piss off more money than others, don't look down upon those who can"t... i do enjoy hunting, been out several times this year, been  en & chillen ... Merry Christmas Don ... 
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