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Re: Lease
[Re: spg]
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11/04/18 11:03 AM
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therancher
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Only thing tagged on our place are cows.........not sure what you're trying to say. The land owner hunts a HF property he owns, its only about 10X's bigger than our place. In the OP the author describes an “escapee” stag or hind. If the animal is marked and not something that was put on the place by the owner, there is a legal protocol one must follow to kill the animal. Even if it’s not marked, if it’s one of the species that require a cites permit to kill, you would be committing a federal felony if you shot it. Ignorance is no excuse.
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Re: Lease
[Re: PointeeBoots]
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11/04/18 12:29 PM
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Reloder28
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This & many other inequities is the reason I quit doing leases. You get treated very unfairly & if you complain they remind you there are other places to hunt. It’s pretty much impossible to find a man of integrity & honesty any more. Lease proprietors are usually in it for the extra money. They don’t care about offering you anything of value.
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Re: Lease
[Re: Reloder28]
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11/04/18 12:47 PM
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don k
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This & many other inequities is the reason I quit doing leases. You get treated very unfairly & if you complain they remind you there are other places to hunt. It’s pretty much impossible to find a man of integrity & honesty any more. Lease proprietors are usually in it for the extra money. They don’t care about offering you anything of value. And the reason I quit leasing was because of the way the people who leased from me treated my property. The way that since they payed a little money to hunt on my property they then thought they owned it. I could go on and on but you can see where I am going.
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Re: Lease
[Re: PointeeBoots]
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11/04/18 12:59 PM
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don k
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So now I have people in to harvest what animals I need harvesting. They know what they can and can't take. They know before hand exactly what it is going to cost. They respect the property more. They don't act like they own it and are the ones that can tell me how to run the ranch. I know exactly when they are coming. I pretty much know how long they are going to be here. For me any way it better than leasing. The same money for me. I get taken exactly what I want taken. And if I have someone out that I have trouble with I either run them off or don't let them come back.
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Re: Lease
[Re: don k]
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11/05/18 04:35 PM
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therancher
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This & many other inequities is the reason I quit doing leases. You get treated very unfairly & if you complain they remind you there are other places to hunt. It’s pretty much impossible to find a man of integrity & honesty any more. Lease proprietors are usually in it for the extra money. They don’t care about offering you anything of value. And the reason I quit leasing was because of the way the people who leased from me treated my property. The way that since they payed a little money to hunt on my property they then thought they owned it. I could go on and on but you can see where I am going. Never ceases to amaze me how much ownership some guys feel because they pay a piddling trespass fee.
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Re: Lease
[Re: therancher]
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11/05/18 04:56 PM
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easton1025
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so if a Red Stag gets out from a high fence it a felony for that animal to be killed on another property... Does this apply to Axis etc..??
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Re: Lease
[Re: PointeeBoots]
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11/05/18 05:08 PM
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bronco71
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Years ago a big ostrich escaped from a nearby property, the owner put out the word to shoot it on sight because he didn't want to be liable for any property damage or accidents it might cause.
.....trespassers will be shot....
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Re: Lease
[Re: easton1025]
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11/05/18 09:44 PM
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therancher
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so if a Red Stag gets out from a high fence it a felony for that animal to be killed on another property... Does this apply to Axis etc..?? Never said or implied that. Only animals under CITES restrictions would be a federal felony. Axis and Red Stag would only be illegal under local state law (estray law) and only if they are tagged.
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Re: Lease
[Re: bronco71]
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11/05/18 09:46 PM
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therancher
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Years ago a big ostrich escaped from a nearby property, the owner put out the word to shoot it on sight because he didn't want to be liable for any property damage or accidents it might cause.
.....trespassers will be shot.... Shooting trespassers would be a landowner privilege, not a leaser privilege, unless granted by the landowner.
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Re: Lease
[Re: PointeeBoots]
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11/06/18 12:14 AM
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dkershen
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My lessor and I had an understanding that he and his grandson would hunt Youth Only weekend. Upon checking his game cam he saw that a Red Stag was hitting the feeder. Now he wants to hunt for the Red Stag. Is lessor allowed to hunt on leesee lease after signing a lease agreement? He did ask and said he'd share half. I don't want to appear greedy but "legally" is a leassor permitted to hunt once lease is signed? This is why you should ALWAYS have a signed lease agreement that spells out your rights and responsibilities as well as the land owner. I can provide a good sample lease agreement if anyone wants to see one. If there is a possibility of exotics on a property, you need to have it spelled out.
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