But back to your post.. I apologize for the brain cell killing comments after that.

Let me know when you are available I can meet you and have you check out the line of ATN products for yourself. I will even be selling a few myself, but keeping a few as well

JT - for many of us that will read this, many will want to know WHY are you looking into other optics now? Are you still an ATN pro? You've been the main person on this forum to promote ATN recently. So, why the switch, or the open to a switch when you've been so happy with them before? Were you dropped as a pro? Or did you remove yourself as a pro for ATN?

Great questions. I did address it on our Facebook page. As of yesterday I sent in my letter of resignation to the CEO of the company. Although I still stand behind our previous promotion of their product, as I personally never had an issue with any of them that I used, We are no longer promoting ATN products on our show.

Without going into details that I do not think would be professional to go into, it was more of a business decision than anything else; it was a hard decision to make, but I had to make the best decision regarding the future of our show and what we want to accomplish.

I wish ATN the best success moving forward and anyone who is still an avid ATN user and counted on us for support, we will still provide you with advice and trouble shooting support should you not be able to reach customer service to the best of our ability.

Of coarse you have to stand by their product that you have promoted for 2 years because if you don't everyone will see you as a fraud or liar for promoting something you never actually believed in. Even if thats not the case thats what people would think. Not to mention you prob signed a contract or non discloser that prevents you from saying how you truly feel.

Everyone that uses expensive hunting products knows not to take anything a pro staffer says too serious but instead let the product and online reviews from individuals do the talking for the product. Any company that has to try as hard as ATN does to promote itself is a big red flag.

FYI for anyone interested, we quit carrying atn products as well.

Sheesh. Give people a hard time for selling ATN products, then give them a hard time when they quit selling ATN products.
Win-win situation.

These look like fun to me. Obviously everyone has some strong opinions on these scopes. If it is just for a fun toy, what does everyone think?

If you’ve read the previous 20 pages of this discussion you’ll understand that we aren’t here to discuss the Xsight 4k for its “fun (toy) value”.

You’re welcome to start a new thread along those lines ...

I have read every post in this thread. The thread was originally about the Xsight 4k and the first look at shot show. That is what I am asking about.

There are 19 pages that are off topic arguing. That doesn't really help.

what does that mean? are false lies the truth?

so start a new thread

Trousdale recommended that I buy a xsight 4K. I have had issues with it since day one and wish I would’ve bought a Photon or even pulsar RXQ30. Trousdale later recommended that I try the Pulsar and proceeded to tell me that ATN was junk which was after he “resigned.” I may not be able to see very well out of my $800 paperweight but it works well enough to see Trousdale is a big PHONY.

After reading this thread, I ended up buying the photon XT. It is one of my favorite new "toys". They are discontinued (came out with the photon RT), but if you can find one still on the shelf you will be happy. I know I am!

Damn.

I can hear the wheels spinning over at the JT excuses factory, expect delivery shortly....

This is a brand bias issue that EVERYONE should expect from representatives from a given company, which JT was when he was with ATN. The standard here is that you should expect from them is to say that the company they represent has the best offering. You don't get to stay long as a rep for the company if you tell people your company product isn't up to snuff. So you can't really ever believe that a company rep is being truthful with you when saying his/her product line is superior. Maybe it is and the rep is telling the truth. Maybe it isn't and the rep is trying to keep his ride with the company.

You would get the same thing from a rep from Ford who when he changes companies to Chevy and then tells you a different story about how Chevy is better. You would not expect a FLIR rep to tell you that you should buy Trijicon or Pulsar products over FLIR, would you?

When reps for a company are hawking their product to the public, you should never consider the information to be anything more than advertisements, like a TV commercial.

Wow can’t wait to see what he has to say about this

exactly why I said watch reviews from regular people on YouTube and read forums with hunter with real experience with a product. If you have to push a product as hard as ATN does that’s a big red flag.

Straight up lie right there.. I have never recommended a pulsar unit as I have not even tried them yet. And never have I called ATN junk, as it is not junk.

Also considering that was his first post ever.. I am not taking too much stock in this guy as it is clearly someone with a vendetta...

I cannot recommend the pulsar units as of yet becuase I have not used them as of yet (I just got the unit in the mail today)

As far as who I will be promoting, I am not sure yet, I am not limiting myself to one optic company and will be trying several on the market int eh coming weeks.

ATN is not perfect but it their units are far from Junk.

Also considering that was his first post ever.. Don't know who it is but looks like they clearly created an account just to make up crap and start issues. I have my suspicions on who it is but I am not going to get caught up in fabricated stories or people with a vendetta. Think what you will, as I cannot change your mind but I have a lot more integrity than that. I would have never promoted a product for 2 years thinking it was "junk" and I do not bad mouth other companies. Everyone has their pros and cons and I will be trying other brands to see what else is out there to be offered.

JT you've been to the last two SHOT shows, I'm sure you've handled Pulsar's Trail before and can make educated guesses.

And I don't know if Leonard Blackburn is lying or not but what I do know is that your two statements highlighted in RED above are not factual.

You've "tried" the Pulsar Trail before

http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbth..._38#Post6694593

Walking contradiction

I have had the trail in my hand for 3 days over a year ago.. and did not use it in a hunting setting. I have never used it on my rifle and only looked through it, and to note the unit that I did have was a test unit before they were ready for the market. so the issues I did experience were not accurate for its retail market.

Your statement about shot show is an assumption as I did not look through the trail units at the show shows, however I did nook through their new binoculars, and from what I saw I was impressed, but in a real life setting I cannot say.

I will actually be able to use the trail XQ50 and the Helion XP50 this weekend in a hunting setting and will have more info on what I think.

NOTE I am not on the Pulsar Prostaff and I am not being sponsored by Pulsar.. Just giving them an honest look over after they have been on the market for a while.

Uh oh, back pedal back pedal! Regardless of it being my first post or not, you’re so full of crap it’s coming out your ears. You talked the xsight up like it was going to be the greatest thing since sliced bread with all of these features that you “personally tested” that don’t even work. By the looks of things, you didn’t waste your time getting into pulsar so don’t tell us you’ve never tried them before.

I did personally test the X-Sight 4k And I loved it, still do, and I am keeping it. (selling the 3x14 becuase I only use the 5x20)... You are a 100% liar making up crap for some reason.. Where did I talk to you at and recommend pulsar? When was this? Also I am not being sponsored, nor am I on the prostaff for pulsar. I am seeing what is on the market to use and giving other units a fair try, in real hunting settings, since I have been exclusive to one company for 2 years.

What did I say to you that I tested that does not work? I would love to hear this.. Because Everything that I have tested works fine. Please enlighten me.

Sounds to me like you are taking general statements twisting them into something and them making up a lie to try to discredit me after you were not happy with a decision I made..