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Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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03/29/18 02:28 PM
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I am considering upgrading to a full size diesel truck in several months due to some projects later in the year that will require heavy hauling/towing. I'll also be using this for a daily driver with a 100 mile commute every 3rd day.
My last 5 vehicles have been high mileage (200k mi+) toyota pickups/4runners that have required virtually no required no repairs other that regular maintenance - oil, filters, and the occasional ball joints. I may
I understand that due to their sheer size, most used diesels will require regular replacements for consumable parts (suspension/joints/etc..) but am looking to try and make a decision that will result in the cheapest maintenance cost without having to replace any major expensive components.
Since my budget will likely be around 14k, I'll be looking for pre-2007 4x4 trucks. Most of what I have read is leading me towards the 03-06 Dodge Ram. I'm not looking for anything to dump a bunch of money into mods, just something reliable that will be less likely to need 3k in engine/transmission repairs right off the bat.
Any help is appreciated from those that have owned one. I'd ask this same question on a diesel forum, but it seems hard to find objective information from manufacturer to manufacturer.
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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03/29/18 04:47 PM
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Ford 7.3 Powerstroke from 1999-2002, leaf springs front and rear virtually eliminates any death wobble. The auto trans was good in those trucks. The 6.0 Powerstroke can be made good, but it’s a gamble that it doesn’t sound like you want to take. For Dodge, just about anything 5.9 with a stick shift, the autos were pretty poor back then. Biggest problem you will run into with a high mileage truck from that era is the front suspension and death wobble, it can cost $3,000 to cure it. The 2000-2004 Duramax was good with the available Allison auto. Front end isn’t has its own issues with being IFS, but never seen overly expensive parts to repair them. Those are what I would look at, just my 
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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03/29/18 05:33 PM
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You get what you pay for.
IFS suspension is light years ahead of a solid front axle UNLESS.... you try and run larger tires. Anything 10 years old with 200k will probably need some front end work.
I’d get a 98-2003 Ram under your stipulations but.... the A/C and front end will need anual repairs most likely AND if the dash is still there... it will not be for long...
Never been to a camping world. I prefer Dick's to be honest.
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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03/30/18 11:01 PM
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You get what you pay for.
IFS suspension is light years ahead of a solid front axle UNLESS.... you try and run larger tires. Anything 10 years old with 200k will probably need some front end work.
I’d get a 98-2003 Ram under your stipulations but.... the A/C and front end will need anual repairs most likely AND if the dash is still there... it will not be for long... Until GM gets away from torsion bars on the HD trucks I won’t even consider them
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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04/01/18 04:28 AM
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My 2007 Classic Chevy 2500HD with 6 speed Allison 4WD and Duramax has rolled up 360000 really tough miles. No issues with engine or transmission. Front hubs need replacing every 100, 000 miles and had a few rear end issues. Lots of Texas pin stripes on body. I brought it new and change oil &lube every 5000 miles
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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04/01/18 11:29 AM
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My 2007 Classic Chevy 2500HD with 6 speed Allison 4WD and Duramax has rolled up 360000 really tough miles. No issues with engine or transmission. Front hubs need replacing every 100, 000 miles and had a few rear end issues. Lots of Texas pin stripes on body. I brought it new and change oil &lube every 5000 miles That should be an LBZ engine which was the best duramax ever produced and pretty hard to find. Cost wise I’ll stand by my statement. Install a lift pump (aftermarket) on a ISB and it will run for a long time.
Never been to a camping world. I prefer Dick's to be honest.
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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04/02/18 02:25 PM
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I've driven nothing but dodge diesels, so unfortunately my opinion is a little biased. I'm currently on my 4th, but no telling how many we've had in our family over the years. Biggest issues we've had in any were the auto trannies.
My last 3 have all been standards and only the 1998.5 (24v) had an issue. It had the notorious 53 block, and it finally cracked at 297,000 miles.
If I were in your shoes, I'd be looking for a 2005-2007 cummins. You never stated 2wd or 4wd, but 4wd dodges will typically need the front end gone through every 120-150k miles. If the tranny is an auto and has STOCK power, you should be good up to around 200-250k without any issues with it. In a standard tranny, throw a good single disc clutch in it and not look back. The stock clutch is junk IMO. My current 2011 has a double disc, and although it chatters a lot (nature of the beast in a doubled disc) it's got over 100k miles on it and still has yet to slip.
We tend to keep trucks a while and have just stuck with what has worked for us.
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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04/03/18 02:35 PM
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My personal preference is a cummins. Find one with a manual transmission.
That said we have an 04 duramax and an 05 duramax. Both high miles both have seen their share of towing use, very very few problems, nothing big and they run like a top.
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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04/03/18 09:27 PM
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Thanks for all of the responses, I’ll be on the lookout for a used 05-07 Dodge 4x4 with the 6 speed manual.
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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04/03/18 09:36 PM
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2005-2006 duramax hands down
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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04/04/18 09:48 PM
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5.9 cummins with a manual is hard to beat. 247k on my 97 12 valve and she runs like a clock. Like has been mentioned I'd go with a 3rd gen now.
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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04/04/18 09:51 PM
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I know of an 08 manual but you'd have to up your price a little bit. Friend of mine posted it this morning.
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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04/06/18 01:36 PM
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I’m on the 99-02 7.3 powerstroke bandwagon. My 2000 has 287,000 on it. I had the trans rebuilt and upgraded the trans cooler and torque converter at a cost of $3500. Two water pumps, 3 alternators, one IPS sensor, one battery cable, one shift cable. Replaced factory auto locking hubs with warn supremes. Uprgrades to 4” intake and turbo back exhaust but kept it quiet. TS-6 programmer always on daily driver or tow. Fixed a couple of oil leaks that was O rings off the HPOP both times.
Rebuilt the front end. Twice
As diesel 4x4s go I’d say this is a dang cheap list for 18 years and 287k.
With travel trailer in tow this thing will (foolishly) sit up on the highway at 90-95 mile after mile with no issues. No, it still does not have the power of the new diesels but it’s damn close enough for me. The difference is it’s a solid $10k truck and not $50-70k.
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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04/06/18 01:42 PM
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I wouldn't admit to being that stupid.
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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04/06/18 06:31 PM
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I’d buy a 7.3 powerstroke long before I’d use a common rail 5.9 somebody gave me.. if your dead set on buying a truck built from 2003-2010..... get ready to spend $$$$ on repiars or buy a gas burner.
Never been to a camping world. I prefer Dick's to be honest.
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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04/07/18 12:35 AM
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I’m on the 99-02 7.3 powerstroke bandwagon. My 2000 has 287,000 on it. I had the trans rebuilt and upgraded the trans cooler and torque converter at a cost of $3500. Two water pumps, 3 alternators, one IPS sensor, one battery cable, one shift cable. Replaced factory auto locking hubs with warn supremes. Uprgrades to 4” intake and turbo back exhaust but kept it quiet. TS-6 programmer always on daily driver or tow. Fixed a couple of oil leaks that was O rings off the HPOP both times.
Rebuilt the front end. Twice
As diesel 4x4s go I’d say this is a dang cheap list for 18 years and 287k.
With travel trailer in tow this thing will (foolishly) sit up on the highway at 90-95 mile after mile with no issues. No, it still does not have the power of the new diesels but it’s damn close enough for me. The difference is it’s a solid $10k truck and not $50-70k. My lord.
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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04/07/18 03:25 PM
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I wouldn't admit to being that stupid. perspective
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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04/07/18 03:42 PM
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If you had a 7.3 Cummings in a Toyota tundra with a Allison transmission you would really have a truck.
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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If you had a 7.3 Cummings in a Toyota tundra with a Allison transmission you would really have a truck. One of the ugliest trucks ever produced with an engine that does not exist! Good call!
Never been to a camping world. I prefer Dick's to be honest.
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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AND there’s no G in Cummins
Never been to a camping world. I prefer Dick's to be honest.
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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AND there’s no G in Cummins Thanks for correcting my spelling. I owe you one.
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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Still running a 01 5.9 H.O 6spd 4x4 ram everyday. Gets 19-20mpg on my commute route, had death wobble once but fixed it real quick and hasn't happened since. My new truck shows up monday, still undecided weather to sell the ol girl or keep it around.
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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AND there’s no G in Cummins Thanks for correcting my spelling. I owe you one. Lmao! Yep!!
Never been to a camping world. I prefer Dick's to be honest.
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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04/07/18 11:58 PM
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Still running a 01 5.9 H.O 6spd 4x4 ram everyday. Gets 19-20mpg on my commute route, had death wobble once but fixed it real quick and hasn't happened since. My truck shows up monday, still undecided weather to sell the ol girl or keep it around. That would be the truck I’d buy.... If I was forced to buy a used diesel pickup.
Never been to a camping world. I prefer Dick's to be honest.
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Re: Most Reliable pre-2007 diesel 4x4
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Just sold my 7.3 F350. 320k on it and it and ran like it was new. Original transmission as far as I know also. Have had 3 of those and can't imagine a better built truck. Used to be a Dodge guy too but quality doesn't compare to Ford.
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