I’m going to add to this. If you did this analysis and did find red corvettes are faster, it wouldn’t be because of color in of itself, but probably the people that buy red corvettes tend to hop them up more, as an example. If this was the case, and you randomly had to choose a corvett, and all you looked at was color, statistical if you bought a red corvette your odds of getting a faster one are better. But if you look under the hood of the cars you want to buy, color would have nothing to do with your decision if performance was what you were after.

So we are agreeing or disagreeing?

Based on your numbers, black comes in last.

Probably talking past each other which is normal in dog threads. Not sure how to make my point any more clear. I do agree over all there would be more top dogs out there if breeder's did not make color a reason for their choice in breeding, but black breeders can be guilty of this as well.

But if you give me a list of litters to look at and pic the best one for trainability/competition, I'm looking at pedigree, not color.

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But if you give me a list of litters to look at and pic the best one for trainability/competition, I'm looking at pedigree, not color.

It's all about the pedigree and then doing your research on the dogs in the pedigree. The letters in front of or behind their name only tell you so much.

All those stats tell me is that it's a lot easier to find a good black pedigree vs a yellow or chocolate pedigree.

Doesn't mean good chocolate pedigrees don't exist it just means they are more rare.

I guess that means y'all need to be watching for when I breed my choc female this spring to that 1 chocolate male that ran in the National this year...

WBF's Man in the stand QAA "Maestro"
x HR Washita's Kimber locked N loaded "Kimber"

Maestro will probably be FC by the time of the breeding (1 point away) and Kimber hopefully HRCH


Coming May/June! Lol!

I have one of Maestro's pups. At first, he was very laid back and I thought he was broken, LOL. It was more than likely my inexperience that didn't help. I had also picked up a TUBB female pup. Both the same age and she was extremely high drive. I was later told that having two pups at the same time can sometimes cause one of them to take the back seat compared to the other one. But one day, his light bulb turned on and he was all go. His sibling went to a one pup home and from a very young age was all go. I know all pups are not the same, even from the same litter. My maestro pup is now 8 months and at training and he's coming along very well.

If I was looking for a FT prospect black is where I would start.

That’s ignorant.

That’s ignorant.

And why is that?

And why is that? Who is the top yellow in ft this year? Or chocolate? What color won the top awards this year? All three were black. Top amateur dog, and all age dog (amater and open combined) was black, he also won the top purina Amateur award And is amateur trained.(he was three yrs old) There is 1 yellow (Hudson) in the top ten high point am. No chocolates, Goldens or chessies.

Robby

For FT prospect the fact is when you go to start looking 95% of all the litters you are going to be looking at will be black.

It's putting cart before the horse. It's not that you won't probably end up with a black puppy it's that you say you'd start with looking at black litters. Don't start by looking at black litters, start by looking at the best FT dogs and it will just happen to be that most of them are black. If you just go looking at any ol black litter and say "well this litter is black I bet they'll be good field trial dogs because black dogs dominate field trials" you will be sorely disappointed.

Again, that doesn't mean that there aren't some possibilities of getting a good FT prospect in another color it's just that there are ton more good FT breedings that are black.

However, how many people on the forum besides Robby are going to be running in any FTs any time soon???

The fact is while FT's are dominated by black dogs it's not hard to find a very very good hunt test breeding in chocolate or yellow and end up with a dog 99% of people would be proud to share a blind with or walk up to the line with at a HT.

As for me, I got a choc pup that I am thrilled with. Trainer has been thrilled with her too. See you boys at the FT's later this year. Gonna help skew the numbers a bit for you

That’s ignorant.

In the last 40 years what are the percentages of Black NFC's? What color are the best producing FT sires of all time? In the last 10 years what are the percentages of black NFC's? If I wanted to play the FT game I would want some of that to start with. Black is the dominant color gene and way more common. The black FT dogs have been bred strictly for performance with no bias toward the best available in a given color. They are the only color that can be said about. Consequently there are a lot more proven black liters available.

What exactly is ignorant about that?

In the last 40 years what are the percentages of Black NFC's? What color are the best producing FT sires of all time? In the last 10 years what are the percentages of black NFC's? If I wanted to play the FT game I would want some of that to start with. Black is the dominant color gene and way more common. The black FT dogs have been bred strictly for performance with no bias toward the best available in a given color. They are the only color that can be said about. Consequently there are a lot more proven black liters available.

What exactly is ignorant about that?

I think what Guy is saying is that while yes, black dog dominate field trials it's not because they are black. The color has nothing to do with it. You wouldn't buy a black lab an just think it's going to be great just because it's black.

I don't think anyone would argue that.