Forums46
Topics539,691
Posts9,752,617
Members87,175
|
Most Online25,604 Feb 12th, 2024
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: Anton Chigurh]
#6955734
11/11/17 07:02 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 29,609
SapperTitan
Taking Requests
|
Taking Requests
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 29,609 |
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: Anton Chigurh]
#6955737
11/11/17 07:04 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351
Busheler
Bird Dog
|
Bird Dog
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351 |
Facts and Physics are often rather upsetting,for them who "do" and "know" the least.
Hint.................
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: SnakeWrangler]
#6955738
11/11/17 07:04 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,237
dredd
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,237 |
Hint.....Jes sayin' (I didn't have anything more valuable to add, but really enjoying all the hinting) Let's not forget about throwing stuff off of cliffs.
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: Busheler]
#6955739
11/11/17 07:06 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,388
J.G.
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,388 |
Cite the 308 Load that your Delusion(s) are predicated upon.
It will be funny.
Hint............... .30 cal 178 gr ELD-X, 24" barrel, 2700 fps MV 6.5mm 143 gr ELD-X, 24" barrel, 2800 fps MV. .308 delivers more energy to 500 yards. Yes, I have loaded both.
800 Yard Steel Range Precision Rifle Instruction Memberships and Classes Available
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: Anton Chigurh]
#6955742
11/11/17 07:08 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351
Busheler
Bird Dog
|
Bird Dog
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351 |
You are at the mercy,of your being forced to use you,as a "barometer" of "evaluation".
Hint................
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: dredd]
#6955744
11/11/17 07:10 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351
Busheler
Bird Dog
|
Bird Dog
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351 |
Hint.....Jes sayin' (I didn't have anything more valuable to add, but really enjoying all the hinting) Let's not forget about throwing stuff off of cliffs. Few can begin to fathom the magnitude. 1000 Words RINKHint..............
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: J.G.]
#6955746
11/11/17 07:12 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 189
redmist1
Woodsman
|
Woodsman
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 189 |
Cite the 308 Load that your Delusion(s) are predicated upon.
It will be funny.
Hint............... .30 cal 178 gr ELD-X, 24" barrel, 2700 fps MV 6.5mm 143 gr ELD-X, 24" barrel, 2800 fps MV. .308 delivers more energy to 500 yards. Yes, I have loaded both. I believe this debate was on short barrels, of course if you want to change it to make yourself correct go right ahead , because we know you're not wrong.
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: Anton Chigurh]
#6955748
11/11/17 07:13 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351
Busheler
Bird Dog
|
Bird Dog
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351 |
I enjoy her trying sooooooooo hard.
Hint..............
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: Anton Chigurh]
#6955751
11/11/17 07:15 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 189
redmist1
Woodsman
|
Woodsman
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 189 |
I have a Creedmoor shooting an 18 inch barrel and a 308 shooting a 20 inch barrel their bullets are 8 grains apart and the Creedmoor is winning.
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: redmist1]
#6955754
11/11/17 07:16 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,388
J.G.
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,388 |
Cite the 308 Load that your Delusion(s) are predicated upon.
It will be funny.
Hint............... .30 cal 178 gr ELD-X, 24" barrel, 2700 fps MV 6.5mm 143 gr ELD-X, 24" barrel, 2800 fps MV. .308 delivers more energy to 500 yards. Yes, I have loaded both. I believe this debate was on short barrels, of course if you want to change it to make yourself correct go right ahead , because we know you're not wrong. All of this was in resonse to this statement: "But there is no way to make a 308Win hang in the same Universe,as a Kreedmire. None..........." And, no refuting data has been provided. Nothing more than opinion, and banter.
800 Yard Steel Range Precision Rifle Instruction Memberships and Classes Available
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: Anton Chigurh]
#6955756
11/11/17 07:18 PM
|
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,061
RHutch
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,061 |
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: Anton Chigurh]
#6955758
11/11/17 07:19 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 65,660
SnakeWrangler
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 65,660 |
I believe in science and Iām an insufferable [censored] Actually, BBC is pretty damn good "You Cannot Simultaneously Be Politically Correct And Intellectually Honest!"
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: Anton Chigurh]
#6955762
11/11/17 07:21 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351
Busheler
Bird Dog
|
Bird Dog
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351 |
Sweetheart...you are in wayyyyyyyyyyy over your head.
Pardon that Facts and Physics do not support your Delusion(s). Hint.
A 24" Kreedmire can/will/do squirt a 147ELD at 2750fps. As extrapolated to your "vaunted" 308 Energy Load with a 178 ELD at the 500yd line and both zero'd at like distance and like atmosphere...the follwing FACTS transpire,due to Physics.
The 147 drops 7-inches less. The 147 drifts 8-inches less(I'll save percentages for later,so as to not scare you away) The 147 impacts 286ps faster The 147 makes 138 ft lbs more "energy"
PLEASE try again...it's FUNNY!
Hint...............
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: Busheler]
#6955768
11/11/17 07:25 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,388
J.G.
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,388 |
Cute you are talking about drop in inches, instead of Mil or MOA.
Must not really know what you want to look like you know.
800 Yard Steel Range Precision Rifle Instruction Memberships and Classes Available
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: Anton Chigurh]
#6955771
11/11/17 07:27 PM
|
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,061
RHutch
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,061 |
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: J.G.]
#6955775
11/11/17 07:29 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351
Busheler
Bird Dog
|
Bird Dog
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351 |
Cute you are talking about drop in inches, instead of Mil or MOA.
Must not really know what you want to look like you know. Inches are a unit of measure,which can be applied to multiple mechanisms,that'll corroborate POA/POI intersection. I musta missed it,where a particular sighting device was cited by you,to harbor your Delusional Energy Loads. Do tell...it'll be funny. Hint.............
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: Anton Chigurh]
#6955776
11/11/17 07:30 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 189
redmist1
Woodsman
|
Woodsman
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 189 |
308 shooting 130 grain TSX going 2920 ft per second at 400 yards produces 1098 foot pounds of energy. the 6.5 Creedmoor shooting 130 grain Berger hunting bullet at 2780 feet per second at 400 yards produces 1344 foot-pounds of energy. those are my two rifles. I know it's hard for you to believe you do not know everything but that's the truth. you are extremely knowledgeable in a lot of things just not everything.
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: Anton Chigurh]
#6955778
11/11/17 07:31 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,237
dredd
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,237 |
I don't have a dog in the fight, but I relate better to inches. I was able to understand all of the data at a glance.
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: Anton Chigurh]
#6955779
11/11/17 07:31 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351
Busheler
Bird Dog
|
Bird Dog
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351 |
In fairness...the 130JLK is an absolute BEAST in a Kreedmire and absolutely destroys a Three-Oh-Not-So-Great.
In inches,feet per second and "energy".................(grin)
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: dredd]
#6955781
11/11/17 07:32 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351
Busheler
Bird Dog
|
Bird Dog
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351 |
I don't have a dog in the fight, but I relate better to inches. I was able to understand all of the data at a glance.
Don't go spookin' the hole...she's on a roll and gonna "tell" me "more"..............(grin)
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: J.G.]
#6955782
11/11/17 07:33 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 189
redmist1
Woodsman
|
Woodsman
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 189 |
Cute you are talking about drop in inches, instead of Mil or MOA.
Must not really know what you want to look like you know. REALLY ,is that where you're going to go
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: Anton Chigurh]
#6955783
11/11/17 07:35 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351
Busheler
Bird Dog
|
Bird Dog
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351 |
Facts and Physics,reliably tend to get 'em stuttering.
Hint...............(grin)
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: redmist1]
#6955784
11/11/17 07:35 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,388
J.G.
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,388 |
308 shooting 130 grain TSX going 2920 ft per second at 400 yards produces 1098 foot pounds of energy. the 6.5 Creedmoor shooting 130 grain Berger hunting bullet at 2780 feet per second at 400 yards produces 1344 foot-pounds of energy. those are my two rifles. I know it's hard for you to believe you do not know everything but that's the truth. you are extremely knowledgeable in a lot of things just not everything. Never said I know everything. And your numbers are your numbers. I have no desire to plug them in, and verify, I have the ability to take your word for it. However, for my uses, I would NEVER load that bullet in a .308, it's just not my cup of tea. But if it works for you, and you are happy with it, then that is all that matters. You are comparing a pretty good BC 6.5mm at a decent velocity, to a poor BC .308 at a high velocity (especially for a .308) It's not an apples to apples comparison, in your two examples.
800 Yard Steel Range Precision Rifle Instruction Memberships and Classes Available
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: Anton Chigurh]
#6955787
11/11/17 07:38 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,388
J.G.
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,388 |
And go back to my very first recommendation on this thread, the 6.5 Creedmoor. It is a fine cartridge, that I've shot for several years. But stating mis-information about the other option, helps no one.
800 Yard Steel Range Precision Rifle Instruction Memberships and Classes Available
|
|
|
Re: 16-18 barrel bolt gun, .308 or 6.5 ?
[Re: Anton Chigurh]
#6955788
11/11/17 07:40 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351
Busheler
Bird Dog
|
Bird Dog
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 351 |
You are the ONLY one who is fabricating yarns,to "support" Delusion(s).
Hint..................
|
|
|
Moderated by bigbob_ftw, CCBIRDDOGMAN, Chickenman, Derek, DeRico, Duck_Hunter, hetman, jeh7mmmag, JustWingem, kmon11, kry226, kwrhuntinglab, Payne, pertnear, rifleman, sig226fan (Rguns.com), Superduty, TreeBass, txcornhusker
|