can you share your age,please?

My doctor recently retired and was in practice the last few years just to pass time, he wasn't money hungry.

He ran my T count, said it was a tad bit low. Told me to take some type of vitamin, I forgot now what it was, he said take it for a few months and re test. Of course I never went back.

He said some people with low or high count feel tired a lot, it more dependent on the person.

For me if I want to have more energy, I exercise daily.

It's interesting to read how it has helped some, and others no result.

yea, they also change smoke detectors for us old farts

JK dont twist out firefolks

Ill be 33 in 2 months.

Get back to us when you're over 50....Jes my

I can tell you there is a definable difference between 30, 40, and 50+....your time is coming....mark my words....I was a cockstrong SOB outworking 20 year olds in the oil field when I was in my 40's....after 50 all that changed dramatically......

Im not saying im the tuff guy. I work my but off from time to time and ive never shied away from it. I can tell a difference in 20 and 30 no doubt. I just think it is what it is, part of getting older not a need for a medical boost. Ive been known to be an old stick in the mud from time to time. Neither of my grandfathers did it my dad isn't my FIL isn't and none of my uncles that I know of are doing it either. Unless I cant trudge on without it I don't think it will be a consideration. I do know a few guys I went to college with that were on it before they graduated, maybe my bias comes from them.

Amen, 50 hit me like a ton of bricks. Never say never until you wake one day and you can't lift your wife after her knee surgery. Wait until you have to call a nurse to do what you feel is your responsibility. It's more than pride and vanity for me.

Low T is real and happens at any age. I'm almost 60 and have been using the gel for a couple of years now. Testing showed my levels were almost zero. Took a year of testing and experimenting to find the right daily amount. Of course, my previous cancer treatment also killed my thyroid too, so was going through that also. I'm finally at a place where I feel somewhat "normal. " This was done through my primary physician and Not one of those "clinics." Yea, the DR advised on chance of prostate cancer risks.

Good informative post in my opinion. I think one feels different about physical condition and being able to do the things you have done in the past as we age, these thought are more prevalent. If it works for you the so be it

one thing you have to consider, is what is the "normal" part of getting older and how it relates generationally? Food quality and intake, alcohol intake, weight, environmental factors, levels of excercise etc. can have a tremendous effect on testosterone levels.

For instance, a modern 30 year old person today who has a 9-5 cubicle job who is 20 lbs overweight is more than likely going to have lower T levels than his dad or grandfather when they were 30, were of a healthy weight and much more active in their daily lives.


I personally believe that T levels in most cases can restored to age appropriate levels thru diet and exercise. Lifting weights on a regular basis and eating proper foods is probably the best thing anyone can do for themselves as far as investing in their lives. I am a few months shy of 34 and can tell you with 100% certainly I feel 100x's better when I've been in the gym lifting and eating properly vs. being a lazy arse and eating whatever I can get my hands on. The differences are obvious everywhere from the bedroom to the boardroom.


That being said, Low T in young to middle aged males is a common scenario and no shame in getting on a T booster to get your levels back to normal

Just a pup

Yeah, "never will" has Karma, or whatever you wanna call it, written all over it.

Also, T therapy is not a substitute for “the little blue pill “. The pill covers one issue Test. Therapy covers many

Used Recreationally, the little blue can be a fun Time though

I want to thank everyone for contributing to this thread. Its been very enlightening. Compared to some threads there really wasn't a lot of badmouthing(which I hate to see on here.) Maybe the heading of the thread lured a more mature audience. A few years ago I fairly suddenly started feeling most all the normal symptoms associated with low T. My doc has tested me yearly for a few years now and he says im on the "low end of normal". He hasn't recommended anything and I haven't asked. I guess he and I just figure its what happens when you start getting some age on you. Ive never seriously considered any treatment and I don't know that I will but this discussion has opened my eyes some and sparked my interest. Once again, thanks to all the level headed opinions.

Freerange, I agree. It is kind of weird that this was the place I got more information about T that I could trust.

I have gone from pellets, to injections, to hypoallergenic pellets. Now, I'm on the creme. It requires daily application. Some of the other older guys at the old school gym I'm at are using the creme. It is a heck of a lot cheaper than the pellets. I can't say how it works for me as I've only been on it a couple of weeks. However, if you are on the lower end of the scale,, heck if you're in the middle of the recommended scale, I'd suggest trying it. It was a game changer for me over the past year.

Just noticed this thread. Almost 54 years old. Recent blood test showed low T around 140. All my other numbers are great and heart good. Bit too fat. My doc prescribed me a couple of months of the injections. Shot up the first time last Saturday. I inject myself and use the appropriate safety procedures.

I’m on a 2 week program for now. Doc wants me back in a month and a half or so to check levels at the 2 week mid point between shots.

I’m happy the THF lets us discuss these important HEALTH issues without people trashing up the thread.

TH, I'm guessing you are on the T cipriate which has an 8 day half life. If that's the case, my doc did that to me and it put me on a roller coaster. If you stay with injections you may want to go with a greater frequency.

I assure you I am not to be considered an expert. I have very limited experience.

HOF I’ve been studying and thanks for the feedback. I believe it will help in discussions with my doc. We talked about that. He wants to measure/monitor and adjust dosage. It makes sense to start off with a standard protocol and adjust based on test results.

My family doctor told me I was low T because of one test. I have zero symptoms of low T, so I went to a specialist. He did a complete check on me and told me he was glad I didn't start the meds, and told me I was fine. Please unless you have obvious symptoms go get a second opinion from a specialist. Once you get on those meds you are pretty much stuck on them.

The specialist told me, the blood test for Low T is not accurate. Testosterone fluctuates, it is not a stable chemical in our bodies. Unless they test you every 15 minutes for hours and take a average the test is pointless. Most docs just want to sell you a prescription. If you are Low T, you will have all the signs of being Low T.

Test levels can vary by 20-25% through the day. People under extreme stress it can vary more. A lot of long distance runners for instance have clinically low T levels after a race.

But if you are in the 100’s or 200’s then regardless of the natural swings you need to get yourself checked.

One OTC supplement thst I’ve used my entire adult life is ZMA. I’m a huge believer in it. It’s a free testosterone supporter that works as you sleep. Zinc levels and test. Levels are tied together and most people are deficient in zinc.


One common theme I’m seeing with guys and low T is they almost all carry excess body fat. Whether they have low T because of the excess weight or they have excess weight because of low T is always a revolving door.

Drop the extra lbs and more than likely your T -levels will spike

The way the specialist explained it to me is that testosterone is not always produced. The levels drop, then your body produces it, and it rises. If you are tested at the bottom of that drop, you will have low numbers. He told me the numbers are not as important as looking at your body. If you are strong, healthy, not always sleepy, not having trouble in the bedroom you are probably not low t. I know some people have low T, but I truly believe it is like ADHD, and docs just want to write scripts most of the time.

The specialist is right....testosterone is not always produced. Key is finding out why its not produced. They are quick to write a prescription for injections yet don't fix the root issue ( overweight, excessive alcohol or marijuana use....yeah, smoking pot is a killer for test levels btw, lack of sleep, etc).



Test. replacement therapy is one of those over sold medical scams to get $$$ in most cases.

Some good info coming out of this thread. Re: Testing "T", consider doing the Dutch test. It is expensive compared to the blood test. The Dutch test is done with urine over a 24 hour period to give a different picture of what you are passing through your system. I have done blood tests 4 times over the past 9 months and one Dutch. I think all are a snap shot in time but the more snap shots the more clear the picture becomes.

Re: Second opinions on "T". For my part, the information I've received from guys using T has been more accurate than what I've gotten from several doctors. The docs recommendations vary from one end of the spectrum to the other. Online research is difficult because the landscape is littered with "Health and Wellness" docs with a bias for making money. Thus, the real value of this thread.

Re: T and weight loss...I'm a big believer that balanced T makes a huge difference in controlling belly fat. When my T was increased in conjunction with going low carb my belly fat evaporated. I'm not saying it isn't dang hard work to knock it down, because it is, but I'm convinced the T was a game changer.

no, its a big catch 22


that's why bodybuilders use test. replacements not only to bulk up but to cut fat.

for the average guy, they have high T levels in their Teens and early 20's, life happens, they stop being as active, which lowers T levels, they don't eat as healthy, which lowers T levels, naturally aging "Can" lower T levels ( I know guys in their 40's who have never touched a replacement but are active in life and the gym who have very high T levels) their belly fat starts to increase due to this, which lowers T levels, they drink more, which lowers T levels and before you know it...Boom!...you have clinical Low Testosterone

Too many doctors only test your testosterone levels and then put you on it. They never test the other hormones that will be affected by giving you T. Only a small percentage actually know what it does besides raising your T levels. As stated, you need all the affected baselines established.