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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
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07/02/17 12:39 AM
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mikei
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I'm very glad it worked out well for the group, but I still wouldn't consider bird shot to be my "go to" ammunition as bear defense. Certainly beats a plastic picnic fork!
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
[Re: syncerus]
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07/02/17 01:26 AM
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Birdshot at close range before is disperses is pretty brutal. Not surprised this was the outcome.
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
[Re: syncerus]
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07/02/17 01:45 AM
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Anyone who has ever spent time shooting shotguns with various loads clearly knows how they perform based on distance. Please note that a rifle was used to finish the job. We have no idea what kind of shape the bear was in before taking the rifle round.
I have huge respect for the energy in a basic 2-3/4" low brass bird shot round. At point blank range, I would venture a guess that no animal of any size could survive a shot centered in the eye. But I prefer a bit more standoff range from predators of any type.
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
[Re: syncerus]
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07/02/17 02:12 AM
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Yeah, birdshot didn't kill anything here either. Of course birdshot can kill. I really don't think there is anyone who argues seriously that birdshot can't kill, but what they can argue seriously is that it is a poor choice for self defense against determined attackers and large predators. “That first shot hit him in the shoulder and did absolutely nothing,” he said. “ I think that says a lot right there.
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
[Re: syncerus]
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07/02/17 02:37 AM
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It appears there was no time to rummage through the ammo bag and pull out the magnum buck shot or a slug. This was a shoot what you've got, and shoot a lot situation.
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
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07/02/17 03:34 AM
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Yeah, birdshot didn't kill anything here either. Of course birdshot can kill. I really don't think there is anyone who argues seriously that birdshot can't kill, but what they can argue seriously is that it is a poor choice for self defense against determined attackers and large predators. “That first shot hit him in the shoulder and did absolutely nothing,” he said. “ I think that says a lot right there. It Says it Didn't hit the spine. Poor choice yes but that wasn't its primary function, end of the day a favorable outcome From a home protection I don't see many people having more then 10yard of shooting range with in a home, so personally don't think it matters that much. Mine is 6's
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
[Re: syncerus]
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07/02/17 04:21 AM
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Glad things worked out! Gutsy young man!
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
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07/02/17 01:37 PM
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Yeah, birdshot didn't kill anything here either. Of course birdshot can kill. I really don't think there is anyone who argues seriously that birdshot can't kill, but what they can argue seriously is that it is a poor choice for self defense against determined attackers and large predators. “That first shot hit him in the shoulder and did absolutely nothing,” he said. “ I think that says a lot right there. It Says it Didn't hit the spine. Spine shot? No way. Only way to kill a bear for sure. Shoot his tail off. If you're good enough to take that tail clean off, that bear's as good as dead. Trust me, I know. It could say a lot of things. Like, he's got piss poor interpersonal skills. He's a republican. And hates liberal animals. I bet that bear was gay, came out of the closet, and was kiled for it. Did he consider the bears feelings? No. He smoked that bears azz stone cold dead instead of considering other options, such as "Hey, I'm sorry I pissed you off, lets sit down and work this out over a cold beer and a bowl. Coors, or Bud Light?" Or, "You're a h0m0? Im a h0m0 too! Let's make a h0m0 family and pretend it's normal". Bears can't catch and kill what they can't see. I bet that fella knew he had one shot zone on that bear that could stop the attack and the stress of the moment got the best of him and caused him to miss wide. And I'm darn sure he knows beeter than to attempt to shoot through 3+ feet of pissed off bear physiology to hit the magical "spine" shot. I couldnt drop a cooperative "circus Bear", "zoo bear", or "dancing bear" with a low brass 12 spine shot, much less an attack by a "wild bear", thouggh I'm pretty sure sure I'd hit it real good with a solid stream of uncontrolled crap shots, all the while kickiing and screaming hysterically to the sound of my own bones being crunched like pretzels. By a large animal that isn't known for killing it's prey in a painless, humane manner. Spine shot........ $100 say's you've never been in the srvice. Pogue maybe, def not a leg.
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
[Re: syncerus]
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07/02/17 02:30 PM
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I wouldn't load it for bear but if that's what I had..... I did kill a 160# sow at 10 ft with 6 shot once. One shot to the face and down for the count.
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
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07/02/17 04:29 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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Yeah, birdshot didn't kill anything here either. Of course birdshot can kill. I really don't think there is anyone who argues seriously that birdshot can't kill, but what they can argue seriously is that it is a poor choice for self defense against determined attackers and large predators. “That first shot hit him in the shoulder and did absolutely nothing,” he said. “ I think that says a lot right there. It Says it Didn't hit the spine. Spine shot? No way. Only way to kill a bear for sure. Shoot his tail off. If you're good enough to take that tail clean off, that bear's as good as dead. Trust me, I know. It could say a lot of things. Like, he's got piss poor interpersonal skills. He's a republican. And hates liberal animals. I bet that bear was gay, came out of the closet, and was kiled for it. Did he consider the bears feelings? No. He smoked that bears azz stone cold dead instead of considering other options, such as "Hey, I'm sorry I pissed you off, lets sit down and work this out over a cold beer and a bowl. Coors, or Bud Light?" Or, "You're a h0m0? Im a h0m0 too! Let's make a h0m0 family and pretend it's normal". Bears can't catch and kill what they can't see. I bet that fella knew he had one shot zone on that bear that could stop the attack and the stress of the moment got the best of him and caused him to miss wide. And I'm darn sure he knows beeter than to attempt to shoot through 3+ feet of pissed off bear physiology to hit the magical "spine" shot. I couldnt drop a cooperative "circus Bear", "zoo bear", or "dancing bear" with a low brass 12 spine shot, much less an attack by a "wild bear", thouggh I'm pretty sure sure I'd hit it real good with a solid stream of uncontrolled crap shots, all the while kickiing and screaming hysterically to the sound of my own bones being crunched like pretzels. By a large animal that isn't known for killing it's prey in a painless, humane manner. Spine shot........ $100 say's you've never been in the srvice. Pogue maybe, def not a leg. Re-read my comment to a comment. If you still can't understand the chain let me know when your in the DFW airport area and I'll bring my DD214 and you can bring my $100 My comment was about why the shoulder shot didn't phase the bear. Only way to stop an animal is spine shot, brain etc. if someone shot a bear in the shoulder and it continued on its charge, it's because it didn't it hit the spine( wether that be a result of lack of penetration or miss placement). Seen a enough blk bears hit with 300 to 338 Cala run after shoulder hits. There is only way to DRT and it's sever nerve responses. I'm not critiquing his shot placement choice(I'm actually more impressed he got shots off), merely cause and effect. End of the day thier weapons worked. I'm not about to hunt grouse and ptarmigan and pigeons with Buck or T shot, but knock yourself out
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, b/c they know not victory nor defeat"- #26 TR
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
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07/02/17 04:34 PM
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Yeah, birdshot didn't kill anything here either. Of course birdshot can kill. I really don't think there is anyone who argues seriously that birdshot can't kill, but what they can argue seriously is that it is a poor choice for self defense against determined attackers and large predators. “That first shot hit him in the shoulder and did absolutely nothing,” he said. “ I think that says a lot right there. It Says it Didn't hit the spine. Spine shot? No way. Only way to kill a bear for sure. Shoot his tail off. If you're good enough to take that tail clean off, that bear's as good as dead. Trust me, I know. It could say a lot of things. Like, he's got piss poor interpersonal skills. He's a republican. And hates liberal animals. I bet that bear was gay, came out of the closet, and was kiled for it. Did he consider the bears feelings? No. He smoked that bears azz stone cold dead instead of considering other options, such as "Hey, I'm sorry I pissed you off, lets sit down and work this out over a cold beer and a bowl. Coors, or Bud Light?" Or, "You're a h0m0? Im a h0m0 too! Let's make a h0m0 family and pretend it's normal". Bears can't catch and kill what they can't see. I bet that fella knew he had one shot zone on that bear that could stop the attack and the stress of the moment got the best of him and caused him to miss wide. And I'm darn sure he knows beeter than to attempt to shoot through 3+ feet of pissed off bear physiology to hit the magical "spine" shot. I couldnt drop a cooperative "circus Bear", "zoo bear", or "dancing bear" with a low brass 12 spine shot, much less an attack by a "wild bear", thouggh I'm pretty sure sure I'd hit it real good with a solid stream of uncontrolled crap shots, all the while kickiing and screaming hysterically to the sound of my own bones being crunched like pretzels. By a large animal that isn't known for killing it's prey in a painless, humane manner. Spine shot........ $100 say's you've never been in the srvice. Pogue maybe, def not a leg. SMDH....all I got, just SMDH....... 
I believe in science and I’m an insufferable [censored] Actually, BBC is pretty damn good "You Cannot Simultaneously Be Politically Correct And Intellectually Honest!"
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
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07/02/17 04:41 PM
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It works nicely on water moccasins.
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
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07/03/17 04:29 PM
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and dont forget that it was 11 year old, that first shot the bear and from what I can understand didn't hit anybody else. He had no time to think. He just shot. In my book, a hero.
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
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07/03/17 04:49 PM
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11 yr old did what he needed to do. Good for him!
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
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07/05/17 03:50 PM
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I got lots of respect of a close range shotgun.
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
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07/05/17 04:01 PM
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Kudos for 11 yr old taking defensive shot to start with. Lucky outcome
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
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07/05/17 06:11 PM
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If you have a big enough target these can be devasting.
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
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07/05/17 06:26 PM
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lets just say that it turned out to be a lucky day. have never understood hunters in "BEAR country" with rifles slung over their shoulders, especially making their way through alders or willows
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
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07/05/17 07:17 PM
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Two years ago when my dad was hunting at our dove lease he had a huge charolais bull try to run him down. Once it was full on charging him he started hauling [censored] toward a thicket of trees and was going to shoot his gun into the ground but a small mesquite tree caught it as he fired and sent the shot straight into the brisket of the bull from a few yards away. Bull never even got up after it hit the ground.
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
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07/05/17 07:51 PM
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I know for a fact #6 12 gauge can kill a black bear. Bear was in trash and property owner owner fired one shot at bear from about 20 yards to scare it off. Bear ran about 250 yards and died. Fish and game was called and upon examination one pellet pierced the carotid artery. I did not shoot the bear, but I was the one who found it and I did speak to the fish and game officer.
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
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07/05/17 08:26 PM
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Two years ago when my dad was hunting at our dove lease he had a huge charolais bull try to run him down. Once it was full on charging him he started hauling [censored] toward a thicket of trees and was going to shoot his gun into the ground but a small mesquite tree caught it as he fired and sent the shot straight into the brisket of the bull from a few yards away. Bull never even got up after it hit the ground. That was an expensive dove hunt.
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
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07/05/17 08:46 PM
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Two years ago when my dad was hunting at our dove lease he had a huge charolais bull try to run him down. Once it was full on charging him he started hauling [censored] toward a thicket of trees and was going to shoot his gun into the ground but a small mesquite tree caught it as he fired and sent the shot straight into the brisket of the bull from a few yards away. Bull never even got up after it hit the ground. That was an expensive dove hunt. I was going to make the same comment! Ouch.
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
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07/07/17 05:24 AM
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Birdshot killed this little gem. This afternoon. 
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Crotchety old bastidge
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Re: Birdshot can't kill anything
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07/07/17 10:28 AM
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Tiny pellets, partularly steel pellets, loose velocity very quickly. They loose their lethality ver quickly.
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