Here's your basic Mil reticle. This is the SS 5-20 HD.

Since 400 yard, and less, hunting has been the discussion here's the corrections for my 6.5 Creedmoor.

100 yards, 0
200 yards, .4
300 yards, 1.0
400 yards, 1.8

Hopefully everyone can see the reticle clear enough. Working down from center of the scope there is a .5 Mil hash, 1.0 Mil diamond, 1.5 Mil hash, 2.0 Mil diamond, 2.5 Mil hash, and so on to 10.0 Mils.

So based on the DOPE for 200 yards I would hold the target at .4, not quite to the first hash below center. For 300 yards, I would put the target behind the 1.0 Mil diamond, for 400 yards I would put the target behind halfway between the 1.5 hash and the 2.0 Mil diamond. No day lighting, no guessing, that's where the reticle goes for the distance needed.

Not with this scope, but another Mil based reticle, my personal fastest time on my range, making only holds was 60 seconds 200-800 yards, no misses.

Andrew, I think you were there?

(The scope is almost lined up with a plate at 500 yards that is 9.5" tall, and 11" wide)

The point of no you do not need turrets for hunting is made which I believe was the OP original point.

Obviously folks definition of "long range" varies.

I agree 400 seems to be a lot harder for most than 300. I was an old mil dot guy from the 80's, then went to primarily hunting guns, still love my Burris BDC on my 308 remington carbines, and now have both FFP and SFP mil dot and variants.... all have their place...

Blasphemy here, there's merit to the MPBR/+/- hold overs for 300 and under on medium to large game, I get it... and use it with the brush gun when I must...

I also hit coyotes at longer ranges using both holds and dialed corrections... either way...

best shot ever, coyote, 180 yards on the trot, with witnesses, off the hood of my truck, one shot.... Sig P226...heck anything is possible...
Ya'll spend a lot of time arguing fords and chevy's ....

There's just something about dialing, holding dead on a target that's way out there, and hitting your mark that makes me want to trade every duplex reticled scope I have in on scopes with mil reticles and turrets.

I focused my comments on a "walking rifle" not LR shooting.

The two can overlap.

kind of like bow hunting. Most good archers practice well past 30 yds even if they never intent to shoot at an animal at those distances but it gives them the confidence to make a perfect shot between 30 and 10 yds. Why not practice at 500,600, and on out further even if you don't plan on taking those shots on animals? If you can make a shot consistently at 600 that 300 yd shot is gonna feel like a cake walk.

And I still can't wrap my head around why some people refuse to accept the fact that people with turrets can also use the reticle without dialing.

The two can overlap.

A guy can build a 7 pound, rifle, and tote it miles all day. And when the time came, he could make one "long range" shot. That's where I mean the two can overlap.