Forums46
Topics552,117
Posts9,900,462
Members88,167
|
Most Online28,231 Feb 7th, 2025
|
|
|
Legal deed restrictions question?
#6600422
12/24/16 12:36 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 7
rayb76
OP
Green Horn
|
OP
Green Horn
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 7 |
I bought 15 acres in south Texas in a abandon community made up of 5-20 acres lots that never took off in the 70's. There's no HOA just the gentalman selling the lots and a few older ( 15ish families) residents that live in the area. I bought the property to hunt on it and come to find out from an out of town land owner that no hunting is allowed on anything less the 20 acres and you can only shoot 1 deer a year?!
So my question is who enforces the deed restrictions? What's the proper procedure to properly inform me of a deed violation? Also does anyone have a no hunting deed restriction and hunt anyway on the property?
Just wondering?
|
|
|
Re: Legal deed restrictions question?
[Re: rayb76]
#6600453
12/24/16 12:59 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 15,225
don k
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 15,225 |
What does your deed say? That should answer the question. Did you read it before buying the property?
|
|
|
Re: Legal deed restrictions question?
[Re: rayb76]
#6600461
12/24/16 01:08 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 7
rayb76
OP
Green Horn
|
OP
Green Horn
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 7 |
I was told by the realtor that the property had no restrictions when I bought it... the gentalman who informed me about the restrictions showed me his paperwork which stated no hunting unless you've got 20 acres...
|
|
|
Re: Legal deed restrictions question?
[Re: rayb76]
#6600470
12/24/16 01:12 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 15,225
don k
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 15,225 |
I was told by the realtor that the property had no restrictions when I bought it... the gentalman who informed me about the restrictions showed me his paperwork which stated no hunting unless you've got 20 acres... Again, what does your Deed say? It does not matter what anyone says or tells you.
|
|
|
Re: Legal deed restrictions question?
[Re: rayb76]
#6600474
12/24/16 01:15 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 7
rayb76
OP
Green Horn
|
OP
Green Horn
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 7 |
It's on my to do list of checking but say that the deed restrictions are true who will or can enforce the? There's no HOA in the area.
|
|
|
Re: Legal deed restrictions question?
[Re: rayb76]
#6600550
12/24/16 01:59 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 5,691
jetdad
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 5,691 |
If it's in your deed and it's same for your neighbors, it's a civil matter and one or more could sue to make you stop. Once an order (injunction) is issued and you violate again then it's a contempt issue and subject to fines and possible jail time. You really should have reviewed all your documents before you closed.
|
|
|
Re: Legal deed restrictions question?
[Re: rayb76]
#6600896
12/24/16 01:25 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 15,225
don k
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 15,225 |
It's on my to do list of checking but say that the deed restrictions are true who will or can enforce the? There's no HOA in the area. I can not believe you do not know what you bought. Do you have easements through your property? Are there other things in the deed you can or can not do?
|
|
|
Re: Legal deed restrictions question?
[Re: rayb76]
#6602880
12/26/16 04:12 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 11,124
LandPirate
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 11,124 |
If it's anything like most South Texas "Ranchettes" you'll be darned lucky to ever lay eyes on a deer.
Mike Buda, Tx Hunt near Freer
|
|
|
Re: Legal deed restrictions question?
[Re: rayb76]
#6605330
12/28/16 03:11 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 40,702
redchevy
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 40,702 |
Lot of things could be going on.
If it is indeed restricted and it was represented to you as not restricted and you can prove it you have some recourse to pursue with your agent/broker.
The deed restrictions may be only reference as a volume and page in your deed and you have to go look them up. They may have missed it.
If you have a title insurance policy it will be included in that.
Most deed restrictions only run for a certain period of time 20-25 years is common. After that time frame if they are not renewed they expire. Not sure on who can renew them but think its the person who put them in place.
The police/sheriff can enforce restrictions but they don't monitor them per say your neighbors etc. would have to report you.
It's hell eatin em live
|
|
|
Re: Legal deed restrictions question?
[Re: rayb76]
#6605619
12/28/16 06:51 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 8,719
cameron00
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 8,719 |
You should probably try to sell the place if the in-place dded restrictions aren't in line with your desired use for the property. You should also probably do some slight level of homework before closing next time.
|
|
|
Re: Legal deed restrictions question?
[Re: rayb76]
#6605624
12/28/16 06:53 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 8,570
Herbie Hancock
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 8,570 |
Yes, if there are deed restrictions they will be filed of record in the county clerks office. Just like said above your deed might have a reference to it.
It takes beer to make thirst worthwhile - J. Fred Schmidt
The internet is an I.Q. Test, people post their scores in the comment section.
|
|
|
Re: Legal deed restrictions question?
[Re: redchevy]
#6608537
12/30/16 10:20 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 91,416
bill oxner
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 91,416 |
Lot of things could be going on.
If it is indeed restricted and it was represented to you as not restricted and you can prove it you have some recourse to pursue with your agent/broker.
The deed restrictions may be only reference as a volume and page in your deed and you have to go look them up. They may have missed it.
If you have a title insurance policy it will be included in that.
Most deed restrictions only run for a certain period of time 20-25 years is common. After that time frame if they are not renewed they expire. Not sure on who can renew them but think its the person who put them in place.
The police/sheriff can enforce restrictions but they don't monitor them per say your neighbors etc. would have to report you. I live in a restricted acre subdivision and the police/sheriff will do nothing to help enforce the restrictions. There are several in my subdivision who are violating the trailer in the yard restrictions. We can do nothing but maybe take civil action against them.
Quail hunting is like walking into, and out of a beautiful painting all day long. Gene Hill
|
|
|
Re: Legal deed restrictions question?
[Re: rayb76]
#6612223
01/02/17 04:46 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 11,124
LandPirate
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 11,124 |
Law enforcement have NO AUTHORITY to enforce deed restrictions. Deed restrictions are a civil contract. They are not laws. Therefore LAW enforcement have no legal authority in the matter.
Mike Buda, Tx Hunt near Freer
|
|
|
Re: Legal deed restrictions question?
[Re: rayb76]
#6669593
02/10/17 06:26 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 7,759
snake oil
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 7,759 |
Did you not get a title policy?? Deed restrictions should show up there......
"You may all go to hell and I will go to Texas".
|
|
|
Re: Legal deed restrictions question?
[Re: rayb76]
#6669881
02/10/17 10:42 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 3,840
JimBridger
Extreme Tracker
|
Extreme Tracker
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 3,840 |
I'm not familiar with Texas real estate law, however, I have researched deeds in my home state of Pennsylvania. Deed restrictions and covenants that are not specifically spelled out in the wording of your deed are often found in obscure references to previous deeds, platt books and sub-division plans. Look over your deed for these type of references then follow up with the County Records office. As stated before, violations of these restrictions are usually civil in nature. Good luck
Last edited by Pappybear; 02/10/17 10:54 PM.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
|
|
|
Re: Legal deed restrictions question?
[Re: rayb76]
#6670388
02/11/17 05:17 AM
|
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 353
TexasLandAgent
Bird Dog
|
Bird Dog
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 353 |
Deed restrictions can expire. If the master deed is from the 70's it may have a time stamp on it. If it's expired, you can do what you want on your land and no one has any legal recourse to stop you (as long as you're not violating local/state laws or municipal ordinances). Look at your T-7 from your closing docs and see if the CCRs show an expiration date. If there is no expiration date, you might want to see about acquiring 5 acres to get you to 20 because you might be stuck with it. And enjoy huntin for that 1 deer a year.
As jetdad stated; violating deed restrictions can trigger civil suit from neighbors and an injuction IS enforceable by local law enforcement. My guess is the 15ish families that have been there since the 70's know more folks a lot bigger in the community than you do and you probably would be better off playing by the rules, or cutting your losses, selling and getting the hell outta Dodge.
I'd also call that Realtor up and get his Broker on the phone and ask them for a copy of their e&o policy because they did you a great disservice.
Just my $0.02 worth
|
|
|
Re: Legal deed restrictions question?
[Re: rayb76]
#6670415
02/11/17 05:50 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 1,052
glocker17
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 1,052 |
It costs money for someone to enforce the restrictions on you, fees will add up quickly. You neighbors will have to part with some $ to enforce the deed restrictions.
I would do what I wanted and not share what if anything I hunted and what I harvested with anyone.....
|
|
|
Moderated by bigbob_ftw, CCBIRDDOGMAN, Chickenman, Derek, DeRico, Duck_Hunter, kmon11, kry226, kwrhuntinglab, Payne, pertnear, sig226fan (Rguns.com), Superduty, TreeBass, txcornhusker
|