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Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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08/31/16 02:33 PM
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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08/31/16 02:38 PM
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I see a 5+yo with a lot of beam and pretty decent mass, medium point length. I would put that dude in the 150ish range..
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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I had him at 6yr, 20 inches wide, 154 is my guess.. hes a stud!
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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08/31/16 02:42 PM
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5 or 6, 21" inside, 153"-156"
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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Old enough, wide enough, score who cares great buck
Agree with above 6, 150s and 20+ inch spread
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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08/31/16 02:49 PM
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I see a 6 or maybe even 7yr old(1st pic) from those pics. I can't get him out of the mid to upper 130's with a 20" or so inside spread. 
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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08/31/16 02:50 PM
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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08/31/16 02:56 PM
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I see a 6 or maybe even 7yr old(1st pic) from those pics. I can't get him out of the mid to upper 130's with a 20" or so inside spread. I agree
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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08/31/16 06:18 PM
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Big enough and old enough to ground check him.... 
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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08/31/16 06:38 PM
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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I see a 6 or maybe even 7yr old(1st pic) from those pics. I can't get him out of the mid to upper 130's with a 20" or so inside spread. You're getting blind in your old age. 54" of tines, 80" of beams and mass and 20" inside = 154. If the man kills him I'll make you a wager of $1 that the buck is closer to 150 than he is to 138. Deal?
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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08/31/16 06:52 PM
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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08/31/16 06:59 PM
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Maybe high 140s. I'm not seeing enough main beam length and tine length to go any higher. Very nice buck. 
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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08/31/16 07:01 PM
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He looks like he's in the 150's to me.
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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08/31/16 07:07 PM
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I see a 6 or maybe even 7yr old(1st pic) from those pics. I can't get him out of the mid to upper 130's with a 20" or so inside spread. You're getting blind in your old age. 54" of tines, 80" of beams and mass and 20" inside = 154. If the man kills him I'll make you a wager of $1 that the buck is closer to 150 than he is to 138. Deal? You think hes got avg of 4-5inches of mass?
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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Remember when Ray Sasser put out his two books 92-93 and 93-94 deer seasons comprised of all Texas Big Game Award winners? I made a sort of spread sheet. Mature bucks in that book averaged 75"-80" of mass and beams. So I always use 75" for quick, in the field scoring of trophy deer in Texas. Iowa, it's closer to 100". To me, beam length and mass are the two most time consuming parts of scoring deer on the hoof. So I found a short cut that has served me well for years. Tine length x2 (unless they're unbalanced) + inside spread + 75" will get you very close to actual gross. 80" if the deer has better mass and longer beams.
I think that deer probably has 46" of beams and 32" of mass, so 78. 80" was close enough for this exercise. Or, you could just drop the 5" from 80 and call him a 151.
Ranchman has been at this a lot longer than me and knows big deer as well as anyone in the business. He and I are typically very close on score. That's why I was surprised by his guess of not getting out of the mid to high 30's. Maybe I'm the one getting blind?
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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08/31/16 07:30 PM
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Most pics look 5 but first one looks 6 maybe older.. 48" in tine length and a very generous 90 base for 138.. I bet he come up a little short on the base..
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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Plus atleast 20inches of inside spread puts him around that 150 mark.
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08/31/16 08:54 PM
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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09/01/16 12:34 AM
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21" spread. 5-6 yrs old. 145 at best by the pics I see. NICE DEER
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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09/01/16 12:37 AM
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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09/01/16 01:32 AM
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I have a buck on my wall that is almos identical to this guy that measures mid 150s. It our buck is a little shorter on tine length than the one on my wall. I think he is close to 22 inches wide. I think he is high 140s and may eclipse 150. Great looking deer.
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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nice buck. Shooter for surw
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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09/01/16 01:50 AM
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I see a 6 or maybe even 7yr old(1st pic) from those pics. I can't get him out of the mid to upper 130's with a 20" or so inside spread. You're getting blind in your old age. 54" of tines, 80" of beams and mass and 20" inside = 154. If the man kills him I'll make you a wager of $1 that the buck is closer to 150 than he is to 138. Deal? I'm getting: G1's: 3" G2's: 7" G3's: 9" G4's: 4" Total tines: 46" Beams: 46 Mass: 27 Spread 20 Total 139 And I thought I was being a little generous. What did you have down for lengths?
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Re: Age, Width and Score Guesses?
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Remember when Ray Sasser put out his two books 92-93 and 93-94 deer seasons comprised of all Texas Big Game Award winners? I made a sort of spread sheet. Mature bucks in that book averaged 75"-80" of mass and beams. So I always use 75" for quick, in the field scoring of trophy deer in Texas. Iowa, it's closer to 100". To me, beam length and mass are the two most time consuming parts of scoring deer on the hoof. So I found a short cut that has served me well for years. Tine length x2 (unless they're unbalanced) + inside spread + 75" will get you very close to actual gross. 80" if the deer has better mass and longer beams.
I think that deer probably has 46" of beams and 32" of mass, so 78. 80" was close enough for this exercise. Or, you could just drop the 5" from 80 and call him a 151.
Ranchman has been at this a lot longer than me and knows big deer as well as anyone in the business. He and I are typically very close on score. That's why I was surprised by his guess of not getting out of the mid to high 30's. Maybe I'm the one getting blind? I too was surprised...I have him in the low 150s....my best scored 143 and this buck looks better than he is.
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