I shoot a 410 all the time for dove and quail.

BarneyWho A .410 does not pattern very well no matter what choke you use. It is not as deadly because of pattern density. Yes you can KILL things at 40yds with a .410 no doubt, but 99% of shooters can't because a .410 is a crappy load. Chokes are way over rated if you are not in front of the target or bird when you pull the trigger you are going to miss 100% of the time. With a .410 you can be in front of the target and still miss & miss a lot especially out past 30yds. .410 does not pattern well with any choke.

bentman, do yourself a favor and look up chokes/.410 and pattern densities. The .410 is equal to the task in many situations, be they dove, pheasant or even duck. "Chokes are way overrated if you are not in front of the target or bird when you pull the trigger".....Really? You mean you have to lead you target?....isn't that the same as with a 12 or any other gauge?. Oh, BTW, a .410 typically has a longer shot string than a 12. P_102

Brother you are wasting your breath!

This seems pretty fitting for several posters on this thread.

And you think that is a good thing?

Long shot string + fewer pellets = crappy performance/limited range.

It also means (albeit very slight) more forgiveness in your lead.

Yes, which can be a positive IF there is enough undeformed shot to create a consistent pattern at moderate to longer range and there is enough shot remaining in the pattern to still be effective with a longer shot string. Neither of which is the case with the .410. In other words, what can be an advantage for a bigger shell is not for the .410.

The 28 gauge: 1)patterns well (more and fewer deformed pellets/"flyers") and 2)takes advantage of a shorter shot string which allows it to concentrate its pellets in a smaller 3 dimensional space. Both of which make it an "overachiever" that punches above its weight in the field.

The 67 gauge does neither.

You're absolutely right, BarneyWho, some people just don't get it and never will.

P_102

I'm putting together a 10ga dove hunt if you want in.

BWAAAAHAHAHA!

Try pricing a Mod 12 28 in Black Diamond config! I have a 28 and 20 Black Diamond, they are great for long range dove, they're full choke and can really mess a bird up at 35 yards!

To me, 35 yards is not a long bird. It don't get long till about 55-60. Really. to me a long bird is 70-80, but I practice on long birds a lot. I have broke a lot of clays and shot a lot of dove at 90-100. Is it ethical? I don't know but I like doing it. Seems like I either miss or kill.

First hog I ever got was with a 410 shooting a slug...far from useless gun.

please explain why a .410 has a longer shot string? longer shot string does is not always better. .410 pattern like crap. They are not that good of a load. P_102 lets do this we can meet at any range in the Houston area and we will shoot at any number of targets 35yds or more. We can shoots 200 or 300 targets whatever you like you can even call all shots at each station. Single report of true pairs It does not matter. Whoever has the most targets at the end of the day shoots for free. After we shoot you can report back to everyone on this form how your .410 is just as good of a load. As a matter of fact I will put my 20ga tubes in and still beat your [censored] if you use a .410 At least once a month I shoot a round of 100 birds with my .410 tubes & I also shoot 2 or 3 rounds of 5 stand with my .410 and my scores go down why because the .410 is not as good that simple.

bentman, I appreciate the offer but it has absolutely nothing to do with my arguments on this thread. All of my arguments have been done to counter another posters claim that the .410 is, for the most part, useless. You can read his statement. I have NEVER argued that it is comparable to other larger gauges, just that it is not as useless as the other poster wanted people to think.

P_102

P_102 you are right my fault

There is my statement. At this point, you have come pretty close to agreeing with it - though in an admittedly less pointed way.

And 20 7.5 pellets makes it a pop gun?

28 ga 3" looks interesting but my 20s are light enough for me... For now

Why not both??

Well... a box of 25 28s already costs about 3x what a box of 20s costs at the tail end of dove season. I can't imagine mortgaging my house to get a box of 3"

I have this one FS in the Classifieds..



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I agree.