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 Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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It's a free country where you can choose where you spend your money, and businesses can decide what they charge for their services. God bless America.
What do you charge for 45min of your time? $75 doesn't seem too much out of line when you look at it this way.
I have a harder time understanding why anyone would do it for $10-$15.
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Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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It's a free country where you can choose where you spend your money, and businesses can decide what they charge for their services. God bless America.
What do you charge for 45min of your time? $75 doesn't seem too much out of line when you look at it this way.
I have a harder time understanding why anyone would do it for $10-$15. agree we have gotten to be a moaning society ... you don't pay me enough ... i don't want to pay for your services (which pays someone's salary ) they'll charge $10-$15 if they don't have high overhead and can afford to do so (free market)
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Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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It's a free country where you can choose where you spend your money, and businesses can decide what they charge for their services. God bless America.
What do you charge for 45min of your time? $75 doesn't seem too much out of line when you look at it this way.
I have a harder time understanding why anyone would do it for $10-$15. Since when does a transfer take 45 minutes? More like half that time. There's a gun store with a gun range locally. I asked what their tranfers fees were and they said $75. I guess they want their cut of someone else's sale. They can charge that if they want. I'll never buy from them.
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Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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02/05/16 01:43 PM
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if you don't like the price move on...to diss a business on a public forum like this for only that reason is very bad form...you have NO idea what they have to do to stay in business...
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Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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02/05/16 02:06 PM
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Transfers at a low or fair price get people in the store who may purchase something....transfers at a high price keep them out.
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Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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Transfers at a low or fair price get people in the store who may purchase something....transfers at a high price keep them out. No, transfers at a low price get people in the store to handle your inventory, ask questions of your salesperson, and then order it online for $50 cheaper.
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Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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Since when does a transfer take 45 minutes? More like half that time.
I would agree with 45 minutes. Think about the steps involved. 1. Receive item. Open box and inspect item for damage. 2. Record item in bound book. 3. Notify customer that the item is in hand. 4. When customer comes to pick up item, pull from inventory room or safe. 5. Inspect item with customer. (this step alone could be 45 minutes depending on item and customer) 6. Once customer indicates that he will accept item, instruct customer on 4473. 7. Once 4473 completed, call into NICS,if no chl. 8. Transaction completed, repackage firearm for customer. 9. Close the record in book, documenting disposition of firearm. Very easily 45 minutes of a shops time. Not to mention ties up your salesperson...
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Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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if you don't like the price move on...to diss a business on a public forum like this for only that reason is very bad form...you have NO idea what they have to do to stay in business... I agree... Butt-hurt whiners are a lower form of life, that we would all be better off without. Reporting a real problem is useful to all. - Whining is despicable.
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Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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02/05/16 03:13 PM
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Since when does a transfer take 45 minutes? More like half that time.
I would agree with 45 minutes. Think about the steps involved. 1. Receive item. Open box and inspect item for damage. 2. Record item in bound book. 3. Notify customer that the item is in hand. 4. When customer comes to pick up item, pull from inventory room or safe. 5. Inspect item with customer. (this step alone could be 45 minutes depending on item and customer) 6. Once customer indicates that he will accept item, instruct customer on 4473. 7. Once 4473 completed, call into NICS,if no chl. 8. Transaction completed, repackage firearm for customer. 9. Close the record in book, documenting disposition of firearm. Very easily 45 minutes of a shops time. Not to mention ties up your salesperson... Additionally: 1) accept liability to protect the gun between delivery and the customer pickup. 2) risk dealing with pain in the arse cheapskate customer if he wants to send it back 3) risk dealing with pain in the arse cheapskate customer if he doesn't pass NICS, or has a "delay" $75 is about right for a brick and mortar business. $20-25 is more what the guys charge who are dealing in their kitchen. They are padding their bound book to insure they are "dealing" when the next compliance check comes around. The only thing a brick and motar business has to gain is foot traffic. Some of them aren't worried about that, or it's not worth the hassle.
 
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Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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02/05/16 03:28 PM
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Paying a salesperson the same wages/fee as the owner is like paying a receptionist or nurse the fee for a Doctor's exam. Maybe CTD was a bargain when they jacked their prices up. Everyone wants to save a dollar. I'm sure some people who have lost jobs in the O&G industry feel since they once made $48/hour they should make the same wage working at KFC. Point being, if you are buying it is too expensive and if you are selling it is too cheap.
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Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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02/05/16 04:29 PM
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A transfer is easily a 45min process if not longer as others have pointed out. You're only used to seeing one part of the equation.
But don't take my word for it, I've only done a few thousand in the past.
If a legitimate business was to only fo transfers for $10-$20 a pop they wouldn't be open long unless they had multiple transfers per hour handled by one person.
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Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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02/05/16 04:32 PM
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You aren't paying the salesperson the same wages as an owner. Last I checked the money goes to the business where upon the owner pays mortgage/rent, electricity, insurance, phone/internet, pays salaries, copious amounts of taxes, and countless other thi gs before they even see any of it.
How many of those hobbyist gun transferers do you think pay the IRS a percentage of that $10-$15?
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Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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02/05/16 04:49 PM
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How many of those hobbyist gun transferers do you think pay the IRS a percentage of that $10-$15?
I think they do if they don't they're asking for trouble each transfer is a record, an auditor can see that trail in terms of transfer-revenue-tax paid
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Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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02/05/16 06:40 PM
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A transfer in a log book does not prove money was exchanged for that service.
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Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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02/05/16 06:44 PM
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I do FFL transfers in Weatherford for $15 with a CHL and $20 without, unless you're a know it all then I charge you $25, but you are right $75 is robbery.
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Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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02/05/16 06:57 PM
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It's a free country where you can choose where you spend your money, and businesses can decide what they charge for their services. God bless America.
What do you charge for 45min of your time? $75 doesn't seem too much out of line when you look at it this way.
. You making like 100 bucks an hour or what?
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Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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02/05/16 07:09 PM
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I do FFL transfers in Weatherford for $15 with a CHL and $20 without, unless you're a know it all then I charge you $25, but you are right $75 is robbery. And do you have a store front with inventory and employees, or are you doing transfers from your kitchen table?
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02/05/16 07:46 PM
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I do FFL transfers in Weatherford for $15 with a CHL and $20 without, unless you're a know it all then I charge you $25, but you are right $75 is robbery. And do you have a store front with inventory and employees, or are you doing transfers from your kitchen table? Your theory would make sense if there weren't any actual businesses with overhead out there doing ~$20 transfers but there are.
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I wished I made $100/hr! I'll get there.
I don't do outside transfers due to time constraints but if I did I would have to price it at $50+ to compensate myself for what I would have made doing other work.
The average gun shops break even point Is $40/hr. Some lower, others higher.
The point I'm trying to make is everyone values their time differently. If you don't like it you have the freedom to spend your money elsewhere, but don't get on an internet forum and rant. Its also not your place to tell someone what they should charge.
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Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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I have brick/mortars in my area that do them for $20. I offered them my business but they couldn't come close to meeting the price on the item, so even after the $20 I came out well ahead. I bought some other things from them, though, so it did get me in the door and it did result in business for them. $75 is ludicrous, but if that's what the market bears then so be it. Sounds to me like they'd just rather not be bothered with it, so when they are they make it worth their while. Caveat emptor.
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Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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The point I'm trying to make is everyone values their time differently. If you don't like it you have the freedom to spend your money elsewhere, but don't get on an internet forum and rant. Its also not your place to tell someone what they should charge. Best post yet. I haven't said anything on this topic because I'd go off. Don't like it, then become an FFL yourself, and do your own transfers! And every transfer I've done, the customer wants to talk, talk, talk, about ammo and guns. If they charge $75 for a transfer, that's what they charge. You have every right to go else where.
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I wished I made $100/hr! I'll get there.
I don't do outside transfers due to time constraints but if I did I would have to price it at $50+ to compensate myself for what I would have made doing other work.
The average gun shops break even point Is $40/hr. Some lower, others higher.
The point I'm trying to make is everyone values their time differently. If you don't like it you have the freedom to spend your money elsewhere, but don't get on an internet forum and rant. Its also not your place to tell someone what they should charge.
It is absolutely a consumers place to tell someone what they should charge.
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I wished I made $100/hr! I'll get there.
I don't do outside transfers due to time constraints but if I did I would have to price it at $50+ to compensate myself for what I would have made doing other work.
The average gun shops break even point Is $40/hr. Some lower, others higher.
The point I'm trying to make is everyone values their time differently. If you don't like it you have the freedom to spend your money elsewhere, but don't get on an internet forum and rant. Its also not your place to tell someone what they should charge.
It is absolutely a consumers place to tell someone what they will pay for something. Fify When it's your money and your equity in the business you can do what you want. Remember not all business are profitable
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I wished I made $100/hr! I'll get there.
I don't do outside transfers due to time constraints but if I did I would have to price it at $50+ to compensate myself for what I would have made doing other work.
The average gun shops break even point Is $40/hr. Some lower, others higher.
The point I'm trying to make is everyone values their time differently. If you don't like it you have the freedom to spend your money elsewhere, but don't get on an internet forum and rant. Its also not your place to tell someone what they should charge.
It is absolutely a consumers place to tell someone what they will pay for something. Fify When it's your money and your equity in the business you can do what you want. Remember not all business are profitable How they spend their money is how they tell them.
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Re: FFL Transfer fee rant
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if you don't like the price move on...to diss a business on a public forum like this for only that reason is very bad form...you have NO idea what they have to do to stay in business... I agree... Butt-hurt whiners are a lower form of life, that we would all be better off without. Reporting a real problem is useful to all. - Whining is despicable. Really? Someone has an opinion regarding a business, service or prices and they're a lower form of life? I remember a time when this forum was full of people complaining about $2,000.00 DPMS ARs, 75.00-100.00 bulk .22 ammo, crazy prices for 30 round AR Mags and 4.00 a gallon gas. I guess everyone who has ever complained about these things or others are low life people who should be kicked off the forum. I'm not looking for businesses to lose money on me, but I dang sure want do business with those who charge 50-100% more than anyone else.
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