I bet if they do not get cooperation on showing the license when asked, they will eventually post the signs for no open carry. The percentage of people with LTC's are so low that it won't hurt their profit margins enough that will care if you do not shop there.

A little bit of a tangent though related. Regarding...


...think about firearms manufacturers being sued because somebody is shot... the manufacturer did not shoot the person. I may be wrong but I think the manufacturer protection was done away with. Or maybe it was put back in place. My recollection is that it flip flopped a time or two. I'm sure somebody will know off the top of their head and will chime in.

The status of a customer's DL has absolutely no bearing on their TABC license, so no they won't. Apples and oranges.

Silly for Walmart to ask for CHL

About as dumb as game warden wanting to see fishing or hunting license, while it is perfectly legal to illegally come into USA and work and drive without any ID or Driver License, and the authority will give a ticket to legal resident and let the illegal go

I don't think an employee can ask to see your ccl. I wouldn't show mine if asked.

They can ask you all day long, they just can't file criminal charges if you don't show it. If you don't show it, they will just tell you to leave, and if you don't you'll be charged with Criminal Trespass.
They also have no way of determining if your license is valid (other than the expiration date), they just want to verify you have one.

If you think about it for a moment, there is probably no one out there who could verify if your licenses is valid or not. Too many variations and too many state issued licenses.......

As far as I know, no one other than LE can verify a license as valid. As I said before, Walmart is not checking for a valid license, they're just checking to make sure you have one. Any other retailer who may adopt this policy would be doing the same.

Not against the law for any one to ask for CCL / LTC, but you are only legally obligated to show it to law enforcement. Now the person in charge of the property can ask you to disarm, conceal or leave ether way. They will get tired of the hassle and just post the 3007 sign, and depending on the attitude they get probably the 3006 sign as well.

Our Chief of Police brought up the specific Wall-Mart example of asking to see your license at a community meeting on active shooter events and the new carry laws. He enthusiastically stated that no one but LEO could ask for your license. The officer doing the training added the statement that any one can ask, but you only have to show it to LEO...

LE wouldn't even know if a license is valid or not? There are like 28 states licenses where you can use in Texas....

Yes, I believe most of the states will show the license by running the person's name and date of birth through that state, but that's not 100%. Alabama is a good example. I had to call the individual sheriff's office in Alabama that issued a license in order to verify a guy's license was valid.

Was at the deer lease this weekend, and needed to run into town (Brownwood) for a box of ammo and some garbage bags. Had my Glock 23 on my hip in my OWB holster, like I always do when I'm at the lease. We were in Wal-Mart for about 30 minutes, to include the sporting goods area. Nobody asked me to see my CHL. If they had, I would have showed it (in this instance) because I really needed that box of ammo.

In the future, I'll just untuck my shirt and pull it over my gun before going in.

Not specific to Walmart but for so long I/we all have had to conceal or leave in vehicle that, to me, it's second nature. Out of habit I will continue to do what is natural. The opposite, leaving exposed, would require conscious.

Open carry, waiting to go to Wal-Mart till late hours of the night... I'm pretty sure you may fit your own description of a sketchy [censored] person

I never said I was going to open carry and we wait to go to Walmart later so we don't have to deal with bumper to bumper cart traffic in the isles some times go really early in the morning as well, but mostly later at night becAuse it sucks to get up that early to go grocery shopping. But thanks for making assumptions you know what they say...

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TABC FINALLY posted some clarification on this:

https://www.tabc.state.tx.us/

TABC Clarifies License to Carry a Handgun (LTC) Verification Requirements for Businesses
Regarding the obligation of a TABC license or permit holder to verify the License to Carry a handgun (LTC) of a person in possession of a handgun on a TABC-licensed premise:

The Open Carry law did not change the Alcoholic Beverage Code regarding verification of handgun licenses.

There is nothing in the Alcoholic Beverage Code specifically requiring TABC license/permit holders to ask a person to present his/her License to Carry a handgun (LTC), nor do we encourage them to do so.

I'm glad TABC took the time to put that out. I hate to see any retailer putting their employees in that position. IMO, they should either post the signs or allow it and be done with it.

Yep

There is no reason wal mart employees need to be trying to carry out state policies

Years ago when they were coming out with selfpay in WalMart, I was up there found $2 in the return change slot someone forgot to pick up. I picked it out and told the girl working there look, I found $2. I then proceded to pick up a candy bar and buy it. She told me I was suppose to drop the money where the coupons goes and then she tried to detain me for using the $2.

I told her to get bent, I took off to my vehicle and she weighed about 200 lbs and she got another sweathog to follow me out, I think they were going to try to detain me. I had had enough, as I reached my vehicles they were all upset and trying to call for security, I told them to back away or it was about to get bad for them. I was pretty pissed off.

I go back a couple weeks later and they had removed the self pays, I had called corporate and complained. I really thought I was going to have to knock them down to get them out of my face. I am sure they have been replaced but I don't live in that area anymore

I have OC'd in Walmart about 20 times since Jan 1

I have yet to be stopped by an employee and ask anything regarding a LTC
I have even stood at the gun counter and talked to the manager on duty for a few minutes.

I have heard about some WMs asking for LTC but I havent seen it yet

[quote=RedRanger]There is no reason wal mart employees need to be trying to carry out state policies

Years ago when they were coming out with selfpay in WalMart, I was up there found $2 in the return change slot someone forgot to pick up. I picked it out and told the girl working there look, I found $2. I then proceded to pick up a candy bar and buy it. She told me I was suppose to drop the money where the coupons goes and then she tried to detain me for using the $2.

I told her to get bent, I took off to my vehicle and she weighed about 200 lbs and she got another sweathog to follow me out, I think they were going to try to detain me. I had had enough, as I reached my vehicles they were all upset and trying to call for security, I told them to back away or it was about to get bad for them. I was pretty pissed off.

I go back a couple weeks later and they had removed the self pays, I had called corporate and complained. I really thought I was going to have to knock them down to get them out of my face. I am sure they have been replaced but I don't live in that area anymore



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Haha, cool story and good for you. I would have done the same thing.