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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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this thing is going to backfire on TPWD I'm afraid So, what would you rather they do, not do any testing? How do you know if you have a problem unless you do this testing? I am glad to see them testing. The highlighted question is why you should never let them sample the deer on your ranch, and the answer to that question is why we should as a state, demand that our state employees quit wasting tons of dinero on this BS. The fact that you don't know if you have a problem without testing... Means that even if you do have CWD, you're just like all the other states with it. CWD hasn't decimated a herd in any state. And because you can't see a problem without testing... Means all the money being spent is just going down a rathole.
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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his name is James Weaver and he's new to the area from Ft Davis area, i'd say that he probably has some pretty serious pressure right now with CWD being confirmed this year. oh, and he's had to ck mule-deer for a while now out west
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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also, if a cow tests positive for spongifrom encephalopathy (mad cow), they will kill an entire herd and remove any sign of its existence, whitetails will not be treated the same in Texas, TDA will make sure of that.
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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I'd like to know if my deer on our family ranch have it. To each their own.
The point I was trying to make is, if they find it on your place you will have no deer. They've proven what their cure is, kill every deer that might have it, so they can test them for it. We're talking kill them by the truck bed full and dump them. You get your's tested, I'm better off I think with them not knowing if it's in my herd. The thing y'all have to remember is cwd isn't a brand new deal. It's been around longer than any of us. The only herds decimated by it are the herds that were killed off to "stop the spread". Killing everything because it might die later isn't a answer to me.
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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I had deer tested in 2002 and 2003 on draw hunts. (Lake Mineral Wells SP, and Kerr WMA) The testing has been in progress for a while. I expect they are reaching out to private ranches now to expand the data sample.
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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No telling how many deer have been processed and eaten by hunters across the USA and Canada in the past 50 yrs now that have had CWD. Deer do not have to show any signs of CWD to have it. Think about that. Exactly. Contrary to popular belief, CWD is and has been naturally occurring since whitetail deer were in existence Testing for it is going to solve nothing, nada, zero
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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They have been sampling mule deer for at least 8 years that I know of because they asked to sample one of my bucks 8 years ago.
I am curious what they would have the legal right to do if they find a positive on a wild deer. I know the Pitchfork is not going to cooperate with TPWD on letting them kill all the deer on 165,000 acres.
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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I had deer tested in 2002 and 2003 on draw hunts. (Lake Mineral Wells SP, and Kerr WMA) The testing has been in progress for a while. I expect they are reaching out to private ranches now to expand the data sample. Private ranches have been doing volunteer testing for that long also. One ranch I managed had been testing deer before I got there. They did about 20-25 deer per year for several years. Any ranch that is going to TTT deer off of the their ranch will have to test a minimum number(10 IIRC) or a % (which ever is the greater number) of the total deer being removed. I sent in samples on 15 deer one year for a TTT catch that year. Problem they have always had in the volunteer testing was getting people to volunteer. Everyone is terrified what will happen if they find that one positive is found on their land. Same is happening with processors also. I know some are worried about what will happen to their business if a positive is found from a deer in their possession. Also the presence of guys standing around asking people to allow the test on their deer which could be scaring away customers.
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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I think it's silly and a waste. 1) it's not a serious threat to the wild herd like they want you to believe. 2) what's the plan if it is found on mine or the neighbor's place?
So far the answer in breeding programs where it's been found was complete eradication of the herd....that can't be their real plan for the wild herd it's found in, can it?
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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also, if a cow tests positive for spongifrom encephalopathy (mad cow), they will kill an entire herd and remove any sign of its existence, whitetails will not be treated the same in Texas, TDA will make sure of that. I guess you missed what happened in medina co this summer.
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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I think it's silly and a waste. 1) it's not a serious threat to the wild herd like they want you to believe. 2) what's the plan if it is found on mine or the neighbor's place?
So far the answer in breeding programs where it's been found was complete eradication of the herd....that can't be their real plan for the wild herd it's found in, can it? They tried that in Wisconsin (abject failure btw). And so far, tpwd hasn't shown a propensity for developing a more realistic and scientifically sound protocol.
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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They have been sampling mule deer for at least 8 years that I know of because they asked to sample one of my bucks 8 years ago.
I am curious what they would have the legal right to do if they find a positive on a wild deer. I know the Pitchfork is not going to cooperate with TPWD on letting them kill all the deer on 165,000 acres. Actually since the state owns all native animals they can in fact try to destroy all deer on the pitchfork and any region they choose to try. Realistically and scientifically ridiculous. But, when has that stopped a state agency from playing the fool??
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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If you buy the whitetail deer for your property, are they your deer or the states?
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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If you buy the whitetail deer for your property, are they your deer or the states? You release them into the wild-LF or HF they are then fall under the states property and guidelines for hunting.
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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If you buy the whitetail deer for your property, are they your deer or the states? You release them into the wild-LF or HF they are then fall under the states property and guidelines for hunting. Thanks I was curious about that. With regard to testing deer at a processor, I bet there is some law that gives a biologist the right. The voluntary testing is probably more of a courtesy. If someone takes a steer to a beef processor for slaughter/butchering, can it be tested for various things by a state employee without the owner's consent? Also, when you leave a deer at the processor don't you complete and sign transfer of game paperwork? I believe it's called a Wildlife Resource Document. When you sign it that deer is no longer yours maybe?
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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I'd like to know if my deer on our family ranch have it. To each their own.
The point I was trying to make is, if they find it on your place you will have no deer. They've proven what their cure is, kill every deer that might have it, so they can test them for it. We're talking kill them by the truck bed full and dump them. You get your's tested, I'm better off I think with them not knowing if it's in my herd. The thing y'all have to remember is cwd isn't a brand new deal. It's been around longer than any of us. The only herds decimated by it are the herds that were killed off to "stop the spread". Killing everything because it might die later isn't a answer to me. I understand what you are saying. I know everyone has said the same thing, but our ranch is low fence with no high fences anywhere near us, o I guess I'm also pretty curious as to how they handle the situation if, for instance, one of our deer tested positive. Do they wipe out the deer on ours and surrounding properties or what? I'm going to go ahead and assume they don't know what they will do either.
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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I'd like to know if my deer on our family ranch have it. To each their own.
The point I was trying to make is, if they find it on your place you will have no deer. They've proven what their cure is, kill every deer that might have it, so they can test them for it. We're talking kill them by the truck bed full and dump them. You get your's tested, I'm better off I think with them not knowing if it's in my herd. The thing y'all have to remember is cwd isn't a brand new deal. It's been around longer than any of us. The only herds decimated by it are the herds that were killed off to "stop the spread". Killing everything because it might die later isn't a answer to me. I understand what you are saying. I know everyone has said the same thing, but our ranch is low fence with no high fences anywhere near us, o I guess I'm also pretty curious as to how they handle the situation if, for instance, one of our deer tested positive. Do they wipe out the deer on ours and surrounding properties or what? I'm going to go ahead and assume they don't know what they will do either. To assume in this situation going by past history as how they "treat" this disease could cost you all of your deer herd on your family ranch. Are you willing to take that chance?
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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I'd like to know if my deer on our family ranch have it. To each their own.
The point I was trying to make is, if they find it on your place you will have no deer. They've proven what their cure is, kill every deer that might have it, so they can test them for it. We're talking kill them by the truck bed full and dump them. You get your's tested, I'm better off I think with them not knowing if it's in my herd. The thing y'all have to remember is cwd isn't a brand new deal. It's been around longer than any of us. The only herds decimated by it are the herds that were killed off to "stop the spread". Killing everything because it might die later isn't a answer to me. I understand what you are saying. I know everyone has said the same thing, but our ranch is low fence with no high fences anywhere near us, o I guess I'm also pretty curious as to how they handle the situation if, for instance, one of our deer tested positive. Do they wipe out the deer on ours and surrounding properties or what? I'm going to go ahead and assume they don't know what they will do either. To assume in this situation going by past history as how they "treat" this disease could cost you all of your deer herd on your family ranch. Are you willing to take that chance? Well I just found out tonight two does that got shot got voluntarily submitted already so regardless If yall have changed my mind or not, the hay is in the barn already on the testing.
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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also, if a cow tests positive for spongifrom encephalopathy (mad cow), they will kill an entire herd and remove any sign of its existence, whitetails will not be treated the same in Texas, TDA will make sure of that. I guess you missed what happened in medina co this summer. first off the 35 killed were still on the ranch, secondly, none of the deer transported off have been secured yet, lastly, my point is that when a test is positive on somebody's ranch with some real clout, it willl be different.
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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They were testing the deer hanging up already at the processor with or without the hunters consent.
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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Well, I do believe you fellas have convinced me that if I were to be asked I'd choose to decline the test. Before the mention of total eradication I was for the test, now not so much.
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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They were testing the deer hanging up already at the processor with or without the hunters consent. When you leave a deer at the processor don't you complete and sign transfer of game paperwork? I believe it's called a Wildlife Resource Document. When you sign it, that deer carcass is no longer yours?
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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No you don't sign a transfer when you leave a deer at the processor. Smh
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Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD
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Even with no link to harming people..I think id like to know if my deer had cwd before grilling up a nice rare backstrap. *** PRION 2015 CONFERENCE FT. COLLINS CWD RISK FACTORS TO HUMANS *** *** LATE-BREAKING ABSTRACTS PRION 2015 CONFERENCE *** O18 Zoonotic Potential of CWD Prions Liuting Qing1, Ignazio Cali1,2, Jue Yuan1, Shenghai Huang3, Diane Kofskey1, Pierluigi Gambetti1, Wenquan Zou1, Qingzhong Kong1 1Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, USA, 2Second University of Naples, Naples, Italy, 3Encore Health Resources, Houston, Texas, USA ***These results indicate that the CWD prion has the potential to infect human CNS and peripheral lymphoid tissues and that there might be asymptomatic human carriers of CWD infection.*** P.105: RT-QuIC models trans-species prion transmission Kristen Davenport, Davin Henderson, Candace Mathiason, and Edward Hoover Prion Research Center; Colorado State University; Fort Collins, CO USA Additionally, human rPrP was competent for conversion by CWD and fCWD. ***This insinuates that, at the level of protein:protein interactions, the barrier preventing transmission of CWD to humans is less robust than previously estimated.*** https://prion2015.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/programguide1.pdf From: Terry S. Singeltary Sr. Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 9:29 PM To: Terry S. Singeltary Sr. Subject: THE EPIDEMIOLOGY OF CREUTZFELDT-JAKOB DISEASE R. G. WILL 1984 THE EPIDEMIOLOGY OF CREUTZFELDT-JAKOB DISEASE R. G. WILL 1984 *** The association between venison eating and risk of CJD shows similar pattern, with regular venison eating associated with a 9 FOLD INCREASE IN RISK OF CJD (p = 0.04). (SEE LINK IN REPORT HERE...TSS) PLUS, THE CDC DID NOT PUT THIS WARNING OUT FOR THE WELL BEING OF THE DEER AND ELK ; snip... http://web.archive.org/web/20050425210551/http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m26/tab01.pdf 85%+ of all human tse prion disease is sporadic CJD. see what the NIH prion Gods say themselves ; ‘’In the Archives of Neurology you quoted (the abstract of which was attached to your email), we did not say CWD in humans will present like variant CJD. That assumption would be wrong.’’ ‘’Also, we do not claim that "no-one has ever been infected with prion disease from eating venison." Our conclusion stating that we found no strong evidence of CWD transmission to humans in the article you quoted or in any other forum is limited to the patients we investigated.’’ *** These results would seem to suggest that CWD does indeed have zoonotic potential, at least as judged by the compatibility of CWD prions and their human PrPC target. Furthermore, extrapolation from this simple in vitro assay suggests that if zoonotic CWD occurred, it would most likely effect those of the PRNP codon 129-MM genotype and that the PrPres type would be similar to that found in the most common subtype of sCJD (MM1).*** https://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/prion/article/28124/?nocache=112223249 *** The potential impact of prion diseases on human health was greatly magnified by the recognition that interspecies transfer of BSE to humans by beef ingestion resulted in vCJD. While changes in animal feed constituents and slaughter practices appear to have curtailed vCJD, there is concern that CWD of free-ranging deer and elk in the U.S. might also cross the species barrier. Thus, consuming venison could be a source of human prion disease. Whether BSE and CWD represent interspecies scrapie transfer or are newly arisen prion diseases is unknown. Therefore, the possibility of transmission of prion disease through other food animals cannot be ruled out. There is evidence that vCJD can be transmitted through blood transfusion. There is likely a pool of unknown size of asymptomatic individuals infected with vCJD, and there may be asymptomatic individuals infected with the CWD equivalent. These circumstances represent a potential threat to blood, blood products, and plasma supplies. http://cdmrp.army.mil/prevfunded/nprp/NPRP_Summit_Final_Report.pdf now, let’s see what the authors said about this casual link, personal communications years ago. see where it is stated NO STRONG evidence. so, does this mean there IS casual evidence ???? “Our conclusion stating that we found no strong evidence of CWD transmission to humans” From: TSS (216-119-163-189.ipset45.wt.net) Subject: CWD aka MAD DEER/ELK TO HUMANS ??? Date: September 30, 2002 at 7:06 am PST From: "Belay, Ermias" To: Cc: "Race, Richard (NIH)" ; ; "Belay, Ermias" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:22 AM Subject: RE: TO CDC AND NIH - PUB MED- 3 MORE DEATHS - CWD - YOUNG HUNTERS Dear Sir/Madam, In the Archives of Neurology you quoted (the abstract of which was attached to your email), we did not say CWD in humans will present like variant CJD. That assumption would be wrong. I encourage you to read the whole article and call me if you have questions or need more clarification (phone: 404-639-3091). Also, we do not claim that "no-one has ever been infected with prion disease from eating venison." Our conclusion stating that we found no strong evidence of CWD transmission to humans in the article you quoted or in any other forum is limited to the patients we investigated. Ermias Belay, M.D. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention -----Original Message----- From: Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 10:15 AM To: rr26k@nih.gov; rrace@niaid.nih.gov; ebb8@CDC.GOV Subject: TO CDC AND NIH - PUB MED- 3 MORE DEATHS - CWD - YOUNG HUNTERS Sunday, November 10, 2002 6:26 PM ......snip........end..............TSS Thursday, April 03, 2008 A prion disease of cervids: Chronic wasting disease 2008 1: Vet Res. 2008 Apr 3;39(4):41 A prion disease of cervids: Chronic wasting disease Sigurdson CJ. snip... *** twenty-seven CJD patients who regularly consumed venison were reported to the Surveillance Center***, snip... full text ; http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2008/04/prion-disease-of-cervids-chronic.html July's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article did prod state officials to ask CDC to investigate the cases of the three men who shared wild game feasts. The two men the CDC is still investigating were 55 and 66 years old. But there's also Kevin Boss, a Minnesota hunter who ate Barron County venison and died of CJD at 41. And there's Jeff Schwan, whose Michigan Tech fraternity brothers used to bring venison sausage back to the frat house. His mother, Terry, says that in May 2001, Jeff, 26, began complaining about his vision. A friend noticed misspellings in his e-mail, which was totally unlike him. Jeff began losing weight. He became irritable and withdrawn. By the end of June, he couldn't remember the four-digit code to open the garage door or when and how to feed his parents' cats. At a family gathering in July, he stuck to his parents and girlfriend, barely talking. "On the night we took him to the hospital, he was speaking like he was drunk or high and I noticed his pupils were so dilated I couldn't see the irises," his mother says. By then, Jeff was no longer able to do even simple things on his computer at work, and "in the hospital, he couldn't drink enough water." When he died on September 27, 2001, an autopsy confirmed he had sporadic CJD. In 2000, Belay looked into three CJD cases reported by The Denver Post, two hunters who ate meat from animals killed in Wyoming and the daughter of a hunter who ate venison from a plant that processed Colorado elk. All three died of CJD before they were 30 years old. The CDC asked the USDA to kill 1,000 deer and elk in the area where the men hunted. Belay and others reported their findings in the Archives of Neurology, writing that although "circumstances suggested a link between the three cases and chronic wasting disease, they could find no 'causal' link." Which means, says Belay, "not a single one of those 1,000 deer tested positive for CWD. For all we know, these cases may be CWD. What we have now doesn't indicate a connection. That's reassuring, but it would be wrong to say it will never happen." So far, says NIH researcher Race, the two Wisconsin cases pinpointed by the newspaper look like spontaneous CJD. "But we don't know how CWD would look in human brains. It probably would look like some garden-variety sporadic CJD." What the CDC will do with these cases and four others (three from Colorado and Schwan from Upper Michigan), Race says, is "sequence the prion protein from these people, inject it into mice and wait to see what the disease looks like in their brains. That will take two years." CJD is so rare in people under age 30, one case in a billion (leaving out medical mishaps), that four cases under 30 is "very high," says Colorado neurologist Bosque. "Then, if you add these other two from Wisconsin [cases in the newspaper], six cases of CJD in people associated with venison is very, very high." Only now, with Mary Riley, there are at least seven, and possibly eight, with Steve, her dining companion. "It's not critical mass that matters," however, Belay says. "One case would do it for me." The chance that two people who know each other would both contact CJD, like the two Wisconsin sportsmen, is so unlikely, experts say, it would happen only once in 140 years. Given the incubation period for TSEs in humans, it may require another generation to write the final chapter on CWD in Wisconsin. "Does chronic wasting disease pass into humans? We'll be able to answer that in 2022," says Race. Meanwhile, the state has become part of an immense experiment. https://www.organicconsumers.org/old_articles/madcow/killer123103.php I urge everyone to watch this video closely...terry *** you can see video here and interview with Jeff's Mom, and scientist telling you to test everything and potential risk factors for humans *** http://zoomify.uzh.ch:8080/zoomify/videos/video-004/video-004.html *** These results would seem to suggest that CWD does indeed have zoonotic potential, at least as judged by the compatibility of CWD prions and their human PrPC target. Furthermore, extrapolation from this simple in vitro assay suggests that if zoonotic CWD occurred, it would most likely effect those of the PRNP codon 129-MM genotype and that the PrPres type would be similar to that found in the most common subtype of sCJD (MM1).*** https://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/prion/article/28124/?nocache=112223249 O.05: Transmission of prions to primates after extended silent incubation periods: Implications for BSE and scrapie risk assessment in human populations Emmanuel Comoy, Jacqueline Mikol, Valerie Durand, Sophie Luccantoni, Evelyne Correia, Nathalie Lescoutra, Capucine Dehen, and Jean-Philippe Deslys Atomic Energy Commission; Fontenay-aux-Roses, France Prion diseases (PD) are the unique neurodegenerative proteinopathies reputed to be transmissible under field conditions since decades. The transmission of Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) to humans evidenced that an animal PD might be zoonotic under appropriate conditions. Contrarily, in the absence of obvious (epidemiological or experimental) elements supporting a transmission or genetic predispositions, PD, like the other proteinopathies, are reputed to occur spontaneously (atpical animal prion strains, sporadic CJD summing 80% of human prion cases). Non-human primate models provided the first evidences supporting the transmissibiity of human prion strains and the zoonotic potential of BSE. Among them, cynomolgus macaques brought major information for BSE risk assessment for human health (Chen, 2014), according to their phylogenetic proximity to humans and extended lifetime. We used this model to assess the zoonotic potential of other animal PD from bovine, ovine and cervid origins even after very long silent incubation periods. *** We recently observed the direct transmission of a natural classical scrapie isolate to macaque after a 10-year silent incubation period, ***with features similar to some reported for human cases of sporadic CJD, albeit requiring fourfold longe incubation than BSE. Scrapie, as recently evoked in humanized mice (Cassard, 2014), ***is the third potentially zoonotic PD (with BSE and L-type BSE), ***thus questioning the origin of human sporadic cases. We will present an updated panorama of our different transmission studies and discuss the implications of such extended incubation periods on risk assessment of animal PD for human health. =============== ***thus questioning the origin of human sporadic cases...TSS =============== https://prion2015.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/prion2015abstracts.pdf kind regards, terry
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PL1 Using in vitro prion replication for high sensitive detection of prions and prionlike proteins and for understanding mechanisms of transmission. Claudio Soto Mitchell Center for Alzheimer's diseases and related Brain disorders, Department of Neurology, University of Texas Medical School at Houston. Prion and prion-like proteins are misfolded protein aggregates with the ability to selfpropagate to spread disease between cells, organs and in some cases across individuals. I n T r a n s m i s s i b l e s p o n g i f o r m encephalopathies (TSEs), prions are mostly composed by a misfolded form of the prion protein (PrPSc), which propagates by transmitting its misfolding to the normal prion protein (PrPC). The availability of a procedure to replicate prions in the laboratory may be important to study the mechanism of prion and prion-like spreading and to develop high sensitive detection of small quantities of misfolded proteins in biological fluids, tissues and environmental samples. Protein Misfolding Cyclic Amplification (PMCA) is a simple, fast and efficient methodology to mimic prion replication in the test tube. PMCA is a platform technology that may enable amplification of any prion-like misfolded protein aggregating through a seeding/nucleation process. In TSEs, PMCA is able to detect the equivalent of one single molecule of infectious PrPSc and propagate prions that maintain high infectivity, strain properties and species specificity. Using PMCA we have been able to detect PrPSc in blood and urine of experimentally infected animals and humans affected by vCJD with high sensitivity and specificity. Recently, we have expanded the principles of PMCA to amplify amyloid-beta (Aβ) and alphasynuclein (α-syn) aggregates implicated in Alzheimer's and Parkinson's diseases, respectively. Experiments are ongoing to study the utility of this technology to detect Aβ and α-syn aggregates in samples of CSF and blood from patients affected by these diseases. ========================= ***Recently, we have been using PMCA to study the role of environmental prion contamination on the horizontal spreading of TSEs. These experiments have focused on the study of the interaction of prions with plants and environmentally relevant surfaces. Our results show that plants (both leaves and roots) bind tightly to prions present in brain extracts and excreta (urine and feces) and retain even small quantities of PrPSc for long periods of time. Strikingly, ingestion of prioncontaminated leaves and roots produced disease with a 100% attack rate and an incubation period not substantially longer than feeding animals directly with scrapie brain homogenate. Furthermore, plants can uptake prions from contaminated soil and transport them to different parts of the plant tissue (stem and leaves). Similarly, prions bind tightly to a variety of environmentally relevant surfaces, including stones, wood, metals, plastic, glass, cement, etc. Prion contaminated surfaces efficiently transmit prion disease when these materials were directly injected into the brain of animals and strikingly when the contaminated surfaces were just placed in the animal cage. These findings demonstrate that environmental materials can efficiently bind infectious prions and act as carriers of infectivity, suggesting that they may play an important role in the horizontal transmission of the disease. ======================== Since its invention 13 years ago, PMCA has helped to answer fundamental questions of prion propagation and has broad applications in research areas including the food industry, blood bank safety and human and veterinary disease diagnosis. https://prion2015.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/programguide1.pdf see ; http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.4161/pri.28467 http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0058630 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3567181/pdf/ppat.1003113.pdf http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150210/srep08358/full/srep08358.html?WT.ec_id=SREP-639-20150217 http://www.cell.com/cell-reports/pdfExtended/S2211-1247(15)00437-4 98 | Veterinary Record | January 24, 2015 EDITORIAL Scrapie: a particularly persistent pathogen Cristina Acín Resistant prions in the environment have been the sword of Damocles for scrapie control and eradication. Attempts to establish which physical and chemical agents could be applied to inactivate or moderate scrapie infectivity were initiated in the 1960s and 1970s,with the first study of this type focusing on the effect of heat treatment in reducing prion infectivity (Hunter and Millson 1964). Nowadays, most of the chemical procedures that aim to inactivate the prion protein are based on the method developed by Kimberlin and collaborators (1983). This procedure consists of treatment with 20,000 parts per million free chlorine solution, for a minimum of one hour, of all surfaces that need to be sterilised (in laboratories, lambing pens, slaughterhouses, and so on). Despite this, veterinarians and farmers may still ask a range of questions, such as ‘Is there an official procedure published somewhere?’ and ‘Is there an international organisation which recommends and defines the exact method of scrapie decontamination that must be applied?’ From a European perspective, it is difficult to find a treatment that could be applied, especially in relation to the disinfection of surfaces in lambing pens of affected flocks. A 999/2001 EU regulation on controlling spongiform encephalopathies (European Parliament and Council 2001) did not specify a particular decontamination measure to be used when an outbreak of scrapie is diagnosed. There is only a brief recommendation in Annex VII concerning the control and eradication of transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSE s). Chapter B of the regulation explains the measures that must be applied if new caprine animals are to be introduced to a holding where a scrapie outbreak has previously been diagnosed. In that case, the statement indicates that caprine animals can be introduced ‘provided that a cleaning and disinfection of all animal housing on the premises has been carried out following destocking’. Issues around cleaning and disinfection are common in prion prevention recommendations, but relevant authorities, veterinarians and farmers may have difficulties in finding the specific protocol which applies. The European Food and Safety Authority (EFSA ) published a detailed report about the efficacy of certain biocides, such as sodium hydroxide, sodium hypochlorite, guanidine and even a formulation of copper or iron metal ions in combination with hydrogen peroxide, against prions (EFSA 2009). The report was based on scientific evidence (Fichet and others 2004, Lemmer and others 2004, Gao and others 2006, Solassol and others 2006) but unfortunately the decontamination measures were not assessed under outbreak conditions. The EFSA Panel on Biological Hazards recently published its conclusions on the scrapie situation in the EU after 10 years of monitoring and control of the disease in sheep and goats (EFSA 2014), and one of the most interesting findings was the Icelandic experience regarding the effect of disinfection in scrapie control. The Icelandic plan consisted of: culling scrapie-affected sheep or the whole flock in newly diagnosed outbreaks; deep cleaning and disinfection of stables, sheds, barns and equipment with high pressure washing followed by cleaning with 500 parts per million of hypochlorite; drying and treatment with 300 ppm of iodophor; and restocking was not permitted for at least two years. Even when all of these measures were implemented, scrapie recurred on several farms, indicating that the infectious agent survived for years in the environment, even as many as 16 years after restocking (Georgsson and others 2006). In the rest of the countries considered in the EFSA (2014) report, recommendations for disinfection measures were not specifically defined at the government level. In the report, the only recommendation that is made for sheep is repopulation with sheep with scrapie-resistant genotypes. This reduces the risk of scrapie recurrence but it is difficult to know its effect on the infection. Until the EFSA was established (in May 2003), scientific opinions about TSE s were provided by the Scientific Steering Committee (SSC) of the EC, whose advice regarding inactivation procedures focused on treating animal waste at high temperatures (150°C for three hours) and high pressure alkaline hydrolysis (SSC 2003). At the same time, the TSE Risk Management Subgroup of the Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) in the UK published guidance on safe working and the prevention of TSE infection. Annex C of the ACDP report established that sodium hypochlorite was considered to be effective, but only if 20,000 ppm of available chlorine was present for at least one hour, which has practical limitations such as the release of chlorine gas, corrosion, incompatibility with formaldehyde, alcohols and acids, rapid inactivation of its active chemicals and the stability of dilutions (ACDP 2009). In an international context, the World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) does not recommend a specific disinfection protocol for prion agents in its Terrestrial Code or Manual. Chapter 4.13 of the Terrestrial Code, General recommendations on disinfection and disinsection (OIE 2014), focuses on foot-and-mouth disease virus, mycobacteria and Bacillus anthracis, but not on prion disinfection. Nevertheless, the last update published by the OIE on bovine spongiform encephalopathy (OIE 2012) indicates that few effective decontamination techniques are available to inactivate the agent on surfaces, and recommends the removal of all organic material and the use of sodium hydroxide, or a sodium hypochlorite solution containing 2 per cent available chlorine, for more than one hour at 20ºC. The World Health Organization outlines guidelines for the control of TSE s, and also emphasises the importance of mechanically cleaning surfaces before disinfection with sodium hydroxide or sodium hypochlorite for one hour (WHO 1999). Finally, the relevant agencies in both Canada and the USA suggest that the best treatments for surfaces potentially contaminated with prions are sodium hydroxide or sodium hypochlorite at 20,000 ppm. This is a 2 per cent solution, while most commercial household bleaches contain 5.25 per cent sodium hypochlorite. It is therefore recommended to dilute one part 5.25 per cent bleach with 1.5 parts water (CDC 2009, Canadian Food Inspection Agency 2013). So what should we do about disinfection against prions? First, it is suggested that a single protocol be created by international authorities to homogenise inactivation procedures and enable their application in all scrapie-affected countries. Sodium hypochlorite with 20,000 ppm of available chlorine seems to be the procedure used in most countries, as noted in a paper summarised on p 99 of this issue of Veterinary Record (Hawkins and others 2015). But are we totally sure of its effectiveness as a preventive measure in a scrapie outbreak? Would an in-depth study of the recurrence of scrapie disease be needed? What we can conclude is that, if we want to fight prion diseases, and specifically classical scrapie, we must focus on the accuracy of diagnosis, monitoring and surveillance; appropriate animal identification and control of movements; and, in the end, have homogeneous and suitable protocols to decontaminate and disinfect lambing barns, sheds and equipment available to veterinarians and farmers. Finally, further investigations into the resistance of prion proteins in the diversity of environmental surfaces are required. References snip... 98 | Veterinary Record | January 24, 2015 http://veterinaryrecord.bmj.com/content/176/4/97.extract Persistence of ovine scrapie infectivity in a farm environment following cleaning and decontamination Steve A. C. Hawkins, MIBiol, Pathology Department1, Hugh A. Simmons, BVSc MRCVS, MBA, MA Animal Services Unit1, Kevin C. Gough, BSc, PhD2 and Ben C. Maddison, BSc, PhD3 + Author Affiliations 1Animal and Plant Health Agency, Woodham Lane, New Haw, Addlestone, Surrey KT15 3NB, UK 2School of Veterinary Medicine and Science, The University of Nottingham, Sutton Bonington, Loughborough, Leicestershire LE12 5RD, UK 3ADAS UK, School of Veterinary Medicine and Science, The University of Nottingham, Sutton Bonington, Loughborough, Leicestershire LE12 5RD, UK E-mail for correspondence: ben.maddison@adas.co.uk Abstract Scrapie of sheep/goats and chronic wasting disease of deer/elk are contagious prion diseases where environmental reservoirs are directly implicated in the transmission of disease. In this study, the effectiveness of recommended scrapie farm decontamination regimens was evaluated by a sheep bioassay using buildings naturally contaminated with scrapie. Pens within a farm building were treated with either 20,000 parts per million free chorine solution for one hour or were treated with the same but were followed by painting and full re-galvanisation or replacement of metalwork within the pen. Scrapie susceptible lambs of the PRNP genotype VRQ/VRQ were reared within these pens and their scrapie status was monitored by recto-anal mucosa-associated lymphoid tissue. All animals became infected over an 18-month period, even in the pen that had been subject to the most stringent decontamination process. These data suggest that recommended current guidelines for the decontamination of farm buildings following outbreaks of scrapie do little to reduce the titre of infectious scrapie material and that environmental recontamination could also be an issue associated with these premises. SNIP... Discussion Thorough pressure washing of a pen had no effect on the amount of bioavailable scrapie infectivity (pen B). The routine removal of prions from surfaces within a laboratory setting is treatment for a minimum of one hour with 20,000 ppm free chlorine, a method originally based on the use of brain macerates from infected rodents to evaluate the effectiveness of decontamination (Kimberlin and others 1983). Further studies have also investigated the effectiveness of hypochlorite disinfection of metal surfaces to simulate the decontamination of surgical devices within a hospital setting. Such treatments with hypochlorite solution were able to reduce infectivity by 5.5 logs to lower than the sensitivity of the bioassay used (Lemmer and others 2004). Analogous treatment of the pen surfaces did not effectively remove the levels of scrapie infectivity over that of the control pens, indicating that this method of decontamination is not effective within a farm setting. This may be due to the high level of biological matrix that is present upon surfaces within the farm environment, which may reduce the amount of free chlorine available to inactivate any infectious prion. Remarkably 1/5 sheep introduced into pen D had also became scrapie positive within nine months, with all animals in this pen being RAMALT positive by 18 months of age. Pen D was no further away from the control pen (pen A) than any of the other pens within this barn. Localised hot spots of infectivity may be present within scrapie-contaminated environments, but it is unlikely that pen D area had an amount of scrapie contamination that was significantly different than the other areas within this building. Similarly, there were no differences in how the biosecurity of pen D was maintained, or how this pen was ventilated compared with the other pens. This observation, perhaps, indicates the slower kinetics of disease uptake within this pen and is consistent with a more thorough prion removal and recontamination. These observations may also account for the presence of inadvertent scrapie cases within other studies, where despite stringent biosecurity, control animals have become scrapie positive during challenge studies using barns that also housed scrapie-affected animals (Ryder and others 2009). ***The bioassay data indicate that the exposure of the sheep to a farm environment after decontamination efforts thought to be effective in removing scrapie is sufficient for the animals to become infected with scrapie. The main exposure routes within this scenario are likely to be via the oral route, during feeding and drinking, and respiratory and conjunctival routes. It has been demonstrated that scrapie infectivity can be efficiently transmitted via the nasal route in sheep (Hamir and others 2008), as is the case for CWD in both murine models and in white-tailed deer (Denkers and others 2010, 2013). Recently, it has also been demonstrated that CWD prions presented as dust when bound to the soil mineral montmorillonite can be infectious via the nasal route (Nichols and others 2013). When considering pens C and D, the actual source of the infectious agent in the pens is not known, it is possible that biologically relevant levels of prion survive on surfaces during the decontamination regimen (pen C). With the use of galvanising and painting (pen D) covering and sealing the surface of the pen, it is possible that scrapie material recontaminated the pens by the movement of infectious prions contained within dusts originating from other parts of the barn that were not decontaminated or from other areas of the farm. Given that scrapie prions are widespread on the surfaces of affected farms (Maddison and others 2010a), irrespective of the source of the infectious prions in the pens, this study clearly highlights the difficulties that are faced with the effective removal of environmentally associated scrapie infectivity. This is likely to be paralleled in CWD which shows strong similarities to scrapie in terms of both the dissemination of prions into the environment and the facile mode of disease transmission. These data further contribute to the understanding that prion diseases can be highly transmissible between susceptible individuals not just by direct contact but through highly stable environmental reservoirs that are refractory to decontamination. The presence of these environmentally associated prions in farm buildings make the control of these diseases a considerable challenge, especially in animal species such as goats where there is lack of genetic resistance to scrapie and, therefore, no scope to re-stock farms with animals that are resistant to scrapie. Scrapie Sheep Goats Transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSE) Accepted October 12, 2014. Published Online First 31 October 2014 http://veterinaryrecord.bmj.com/content/early/2014/10/31/vr.102743.abstract Monday, November 3, 2014 Persistence of ovine scrapie infectivity in a farm environment following cleaning and decontamination http://transmissiblespongiformencephalopathy.blogspot.com/2014/11/persistence-of-ovine-scrapie.html PPo3-22: Detection of Environmentally Associated PrPSc on a Farm with Endemic Scrapie Ben C. Maddison,1 Claire A. Baker,1 Helen C. Rees,1 Linda A. Terry,2 Leigh Thorne,2 Susan J. Belworthy2 and Kevin C. Gough3 1ADAS-UK LTD; Department of Biology; University of Leicester; Leicester, UK; 2Veterinary Laboratories Agency; Surry, KT UK; 3Department of Veterinary Medicine and Science; University of Nottingham; Sutton Bonington, Loughborough UK Key words: scrapie, evironmental persistence, sPMCA Ovine scrapie shows considerable horizontal transmission, yet the routes of transmission and specifically the role of fomites in transmission remain poorly defined. Here we present biochemical data demonstrating that on a scrapie-affected sheep farm, scrapie prion contamination is widespread. It was anticipated at the outset that if prions contaminate the environment that they would be there at extremely low levels, as such the most sensitive method available for the detection of PrPSc, serial Protein Misfolding Cyclic Amplification (sPMCA), was used in this study. We investigated the distribution of environmental scrapie prions by applying ovine sPMCA to samples taken from a range of surfaces that were accessible to animals and could be collected by use of a wetted foam swab. Prion was amplified by sPMCA from a number of these environmental swab samples including those taken from metal, plastic and wooden surfaces, both in the indoor and outdoor environment. At the time of sampling there had been no sheep contact with these areas for at least 20 days prior to sampling indicating that prions persist for at least this duration in the environment. These data implicate inanimate objects as environmental reservoirs of prion infectivity which are likely to contribute to disease transmission. http://www.prion2010.org/bilder/prion_20...00b77af81be3099 kind regards, terry
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