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GW and biologist checking for CWD

Posted By: ChadTRG42

GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/09/15 03:28 PM

One of the guys on our property took his first buck yesterday. It was a nice 8 point. He took it to Ray's in Breckenridge for processing and to get the skull mount. While there, the game warden checked his license and the biologist asked to check the deer for CWD. The biologist collected all his samples and such of the buck. He told my buddy that the buck was 5 1/2 years old, and some other info about the buck. I thought this was a good thing seeing the biologist take these samples and show a proactive roll on CWD in Texas.
Posted By: txtrophy85

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/09/15 03:38 PM

I wonder how many deer shot in Texas have been tested for CWD prior to this year?

You will never be able to convince me that CWD does not exist in wild herds in Texas, aside from the ones found in mule deer in west Texas
Posted By: HuntnFly67

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/09/15 03:44 PM

Our biologist had to get a sample size of about 40 deer from each county in his territory. He said most came off of road kills but that he was going to camp out at a processor this weekend to finish getting samples.
Posted By: stxranchman

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/09/15 03:46 PM

Going to be interesting to see what happens if they ever find a positive CWD from a volunteer test. Can you imagine what will happen to the processors business after finding one at his shop? The ranch the deer came from? All the deer processed at that location if the hunters who left them there hear about the deer? All the unpaid processing fees and left game for the processor to deal with?
Posted By: txtrophy85

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/09/15 04:04 PM

Originally Posted By: HuntnFly67
Our biologist had to get a sample size of about 40 deer from each county in his territory. He said most came off of road kills but that he was going to camp out at a processor this weekend to finish getting samples.



yeah, this year....how many deer did he test in years prior?
Posted By: 8pointdrop

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/09/15 04:10 PM

Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Going to be interesting to see what happens if they ever find a positive CWD from a volunteer test. Can you imagine what will happen to the processors business after finding one at his shop? The ranch the deer came from? All the deer processed at that location if the hunters who left them there hear about the deer? All the unpaid processing fees and left game for the processor to deal with?

That's the reason I've said it before and will again...If it's "voluntary" they won't get a sample from my deer.
Posted By: HuntnFly67

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/09/15 04:12 PM

Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
Originally Posted By: HuntnFly67
Our biologist had to get a sample size of about 40 deer from each county in his territory. He said most came off of road kills but that he was going to camp out at a processor this weekend to finish getting samples.



yeah, this year....how many deer did he test in years prior?


I asked him if he was staying busy and he said with all the new CWD hoops to jump through, he is. That indicated to me that this was a new program, so I suspect prior years to be zero.
Posted By: txtrophy85

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/09/15 05:06 PM

Originally Posted By: HuntnFly67
Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
Originally Posted By: HuntnFly67
Our biologist had to get a sample size of about 40 deer from each county in his territory. He said most came off of road kills but that he was going to camp out at a processor this weekend to finish getting samples.



yeah, this year....how many deer did he test in years prior?


I asked him if he was staying busy and he said with all the new CWD hoops to jump through, he is. That indicated to me that this was a new program, so I suspect prior years to be zero.



whats gonna happen is they are gonna find one that tests positive if they test enough and it will be "the deer breeders fault" and then all hell is gonna break loose


this thing is going to backfire on TPWD I'm afraid
Posted By: ChadTRG42

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/09/15 05:11 PM

Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
this thing is going to backfire on TPWD I'm afraid


So, what would you rather they do, not do any testing? How do you know if you have a problem unless you do this testing? I am glad to see them testing.
Posted By: txtrophy85

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/09/15 05:16 PM

Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
this thing is going to backfire on TPWD I'm afraid


So, what would you rather they do, not do any testing? How do you know if you have a problem unless you do this testing? I am glad to see them testing.



they haven't done any testing for the last 100 years, so why start now? just to prove that something that is naturally occurring actually exists? I have heard that some deer have been tested since 2002, the number I heard was like 32k deer or something. since 2002 approx. 6.5 million whitetail have hit the ground in texas. what percentage is that?

and what if they do find a wild whitetail with CWD? then what? we gonna stop deer hunting?
Posted By: ChadTRG42

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/09/15 05:22 PM

I know, it's a good question.
Posted By: 8pointdrop

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/09/15 05:56 PM

Originally Posted By: txtrophy85

and what if they do find a wild whitetail with CWD? then what?

You know what will happen. Every deer in that herd must die, all of them. Scorched earth is the only remedy they can come up with.
Posted By: oldoak2000

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/09/15 06:07 PM

One very good reason I process my own.

This topic is more a matter of 'when' rather then 'if' ; eventually something is going to show up somewhere . . .
Posted By: texassippi

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/09/15 06:19 PM

Originally Posted By: 8pointdrop
Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Going to be interesting to see what happens if they ever find a positive CWD from a volunteer test. Can you imagine what will happen to the processors business after finding one at his shop? The ranch the deer came from? All the deer processed at that location if the hunters who left them there hear about the deer? All the unpaid processing fees and left game for the processor to deal with?

That's the reason I've said it before and will again...If it's "voluntary" they won't get a sample from my deer.


I am in no way trying to debate you, this is just out of pure curiosity. Why don't you want them to test your deer? This whole CWD matter interests me.
Posted By: 8pointdrop

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/09/15 06:40 PM

Originally Posted By: texassippi
Originally Posted By: 8pointdrop
Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Going to be interesting to see what happens if they ever find a positive CWD from a volunteer test. Can you imagine what will happen to the processors business after finding one at his shop? The ranch the deer came from? All the deer processed at that location if the hunters who left them there hear about the deer? All the unpaid processing fees and left game for the processor to deal with?

That's the reason I've said it before and will again...If it's "voluntary" they won't get a sample from my deer.


I am in no way trying to debate you, this is just out of pure curiosity. Why don't you want them to test your deer? This whole CWD matter interests me.

What do you think they will do if they find cwd on your ranch?
Posted By: PMK

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/09/15 06:52 PM

Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
this thing is going to backfire on TPWD I'm afraid


So, what would you rather they do, not do any testing? How do you know if you have a problem unless you do this testing? I am glad to see them testing.



they haven't done any testing for the last 100 years, so why start now? just to prove that something that is naturally occurring actually exists? I have heard that some deer have been tested since 2002, the number I heard was like 32k deer or something. since 2002 approx. 6.5 million whitetail have hit the ground in texas. what percentage is that?

and what if they do find a wild whitetail with CWD? then what? we gonna stop deer hunting?

4.92% popcorn
Posted By: Indyoshi

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/09/15 08:13 PM

Even with no link to harming people..I think id like to know if my deer had cwd before grilling up a nice rare backstrap.
Posted By: Curtis

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/09/15 08:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Indyoshi
Even with no link to harming people..I think id like to know if my deer had cwd before grilling up a nice rare backstrap.


If its there, it's probably been there for many years and not just randomly appeared just because of recent findings.
Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/09/15 08:28 PM

Originally Posted By: PMK
Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
this thing is going to backfire on TPWD I'm afraid


So, what would you rather they do, not do any testing? How do you know if you have a problem unless you do this testing? I am glad to see them testing.



they haven't done any testing for the last 100 years, so why start now? just to prove that something that is naturally occurring actually exists? I have heard that some deer have been tested since 2002, the number I heard was like 32k deer or something. since 2002 approx. 6.5 million whitetail have hit the ground in texas. what percentage is that?

and what if they do find a wild whitetail with CWD? then what? we gonna stop deer hunting?

4.92% popcorn


.492%
Posted By: txtrophy85

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 12:42 AM

Originally Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks

they haven't done any testing for the last 100 years, so why start now? just to prove that something that is naturally occurring actually exists? I have heard that some deer have been tested since 2002, the number I heard was like 32k deer or something. since 2002 approx. 6.5 million whitetail have hit the ground in texas. what percentage is that?

and what if they do find a wild whitetail with CWD? then what? we gonna stop deer hunting?

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so less than 1/2 of a percent.....



this was a witch hunt from the start


Originally Posted By: Indyoshi
Even with no link to harming people..I think id like to know if my deer had cwd before grilling up a nice rare backstrap.


so how many deer prior to this have you had tested that you personally killed and ate?
Posted By: dogdown23

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 02:46 AM

Bosque county biologist called me today asking for info on the location my wife killed an 8pt Saturday evening. They took samples and didn't ask my permission. He said they already sent the samples to be tested but wanted location info also. Anyone else have this happen? ?
Posted By: texassippi

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 03:14 AM

Originally Posted By: 8pointdrop
Originally Posted By: texassippi
Originally Posted By: 8pointdrop
Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Going to be interesting to see what happens if they ever find a positive CWD from a volunteer test. Can you imagine what will happen to the processors business after finding one at his shop? The ranch the deer came from? All the deer processed at that location if the hunters who left them there hear about the deer? All the unpaid processing fees and left game for the processor to deal with?

That's the reason I've said it before and will again...If it's "voluntary" they won't get a sample from my deer.


I am in no way trying to debate you, this is just out of pure curiosity. Why don't you want them to test your deer? This whole CWD matter interests me.



What do you think they will do if they find cwd on your ranch?


I get what you're saying. Like I said I was just curious as to you're personal reason. It would be a headache and miserable to deal with but I will get mine tested. I'd like to know if my deer on our family ranch have it. To each their own.
Posted By: texassippi

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 03:15 AM

Originally Posted By: dogdown23
Bosque county biologist called me today asking for info on the location my wife killed an 8pt Saturday evening. They took samples and didn't ask my permission. He said they already sent the samples to be tested but wanted location info also. Anyone else have this happen? ?


That would irk me.
Posted By: stxranchman

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 03:21 AM

No telling how many deer have been processed and eaten by hunters across the USA and Canada in the past 50 yrs now that have had CWD. Deer do not have to show any signs of CWD to have it. Think about that.
Posted By: stxranchman

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 03:22 AM

Originally Posted By: dogdown23
Bosque county biologist called me today asking for info on the location my wife killed an 8pt Saturday evening. They took samples and didn't ask my permission. He said they already sent the samples to be tested but wanted location info also. Anyone else have this happen? ?

I do not think they can just take the sample without your permission. I would be making some calls if they did that to me with out my permission. It is said to be voluntary, not mandatory.(unless you are HF and have had deer released from a breeding pen recently)
Posted By: therancher

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 03:54 AM

Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
this thing is going to backfire on TPWD I'm afraid


So, what would you rather they do, not do any testing? How do you know if you have a problem unless you do this testing? I am glad to see them testing.


The highlighted question is why you should never let them sample the deer on your ranch, and the answer to that question is why we should as a state, demand that our state employees quit wasting tons of dinero on this BS.

The fact that you don't know if you have a problem without testing... Means that even if you do have CWD, you're just like all the other states with it. CWD hasn't decimated a herd in any state.

And because you can't see a problem without testing... Means all the money being spent is just going down a rathole.
Posted By: huntingbig8

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 03:59 AM

his name is James Weaver and he's new to the area from Ft Davis area, i'd say that he probably has some pretty serious pressure right now with CWD being confirmed this year. oh, and he's had to ck mule-deer for a while now out west
Posted By: huntingbig8

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 04:06 AM

also, if a cow tests positive for spongifrom encephalopathy (mad cow), they will kill an entire herd and remove any sign of its existence, whitetails will not be treated the same in Texas, TDA will make sure of that.
Posted By: 8pointdrop

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 10:41 AM

Originally Posted By: texassippi

I'd like to know if my deer on our family ranch have it. To each their own.

The point I was trying to make is, if they find it on your place you will have no deer. They've proven what their cure is, kill every deer that might have it, so they can test them for it. We're talking kill them by the truck bed full and dump them. You get your's tested, I'm better off I think with them not knowing if it's in my herd.


The thing y'all have to remember is cwd isn't a brand new deal. It's been around longer than any of us. The only herds decimated by it are the herds that were killed off to "stop the spread". Killing everything because it might die later isn't a answer to me.
Posted By: beech96w

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 11:59 AM

I had deer tested in 2002 and 2003 on draw hunts. (Lake Mineral Wells SP, and Kerr WMA) The testing has been in progress for a while. I expect they are reaching out to private ranches now to expand the data sample.
Posted By: txtrophy85

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 12:38 PM

Originally Posted By: stxranchman
No telling how many deer have been processed and eaten by hunters across the USA and Canada in the past 50 yrs now that have had CWD. Deer do not have to show any signs of CWD to have it. Think about that.


Exactly.

Contrary to popular belief, CWD is and has been naturally occurring since whitetail deer were in existence

Testing for it is going to solve nothing, nada, zero
Posted By: Pitchfork Predator

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 01:26 PM

They have been sampling mule deer for at least 8 years that I know of because they asked to sample one of my bucks 8 years ago.

I am curious what they would have the legal right to do if they find a positive on a wild deer. I know the Pitchfork is not going to cooperate with TPWD on letting them kill all the deer on 165,000 acres.
Posted By: stxranchman

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 03:10 PM

Originally Posted By: beech96w
I had deer tested in 2002 and 2003 on draw hunts. (Lake Mineral Wells SP, and Kerr WMA) The testing has been in progress for a while. I expect they are reaching out to private ranches now to expand the data sample.

Private ranches have been doing volunteer testing for that long also. One ranch I managed had been testing deer before I got there. They did about 20-25 deer per year for several years. Any ranch that is going to TTT deer off of the their ranch will have to test a minimum number(10 IIRC) or a % (which ever is the greater number) of the total deer being removed. I sent in samples on 15 deer one year for a TTT catch that year. Problem they have always had in the volunteer testing was getting people to volunteer. Everyone is terrified what will happen if they find that one positive is found on their land. Same is happening with processors also. I know some are worried about what will happen to their business if a positive is found from a deer in their possession. Also the presence of guys standing around asking people to allow the test on their deer which could be scaring away customers.
Posted By: 8pointdrop

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 04:02 PM

I think it's silly and a waste. 1) it's not a serious threat to the wild herd like they want you to believe. 2) what's the plan if it is found on mine or the neighbor's place?

So far the answer in breeding programs where it's been found was complete eradication of the herd....that can't be their real plan for the wild herd it's found in, can it?
Posted By: therancher

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 04:08 PM

Originally Posted By: huntingbig8
also, if a cow tests positive for spongifrom encephalopathy (mad cow), they will kill an entire herd and remove any sign of its existence, whitetails will not be treated the same in Texas, TDA will make sure of that.


I guess you missed what happened in medina co this summer.
Posted By: therancher

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 04:11 PM

Originally Posted By: 8pointdrop
I think it's silly and a waste. 1) it's not a serious threat to the wild herd like they want you to believe. 2) what's the plan if it is found on mine or the neighbor's place?

So far the answer in breeding programs where it's been found was complete eradication of the herd....that can't be their real plan for the wild herd it's found in, can it?


They tried that in Wisconsin (abject failure btw).

And so far, tpwd hasn't shown a propensity for developing a more realistic and scientifically sound protocol.
Posted By: therancher

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 04:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Pitchfork Predator
They have been sampling mule deer for at least 8 years that I know of because they asked to sample one of my bucks 8 years ago.

I am curious what they would have the legal right to do if they find a positive on a wild deer. I know the Pitchfork is not going to cooperate with TPWD on letting them kill all the deer on 165,000 acres.


Actually since the state owns all native animals they can in fact try to destroy all deer on the pitchfork and any region they choose to try. Realistically and scientifically ridiculous.

But, when has that stopped a state agency from playing the fool??
Posted By: TurkeyHunter

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 04:24 PM

If you buy the whitetail deer for your property, are they your deer or the states?
Posted By: stxranchman

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 04:26 PM

Originally Posted By: TurkeyHunter
If you buy the whitetail deer for your property, are they your deer or the states?

You release them into the wild-LF or HF they are then fall under the states property and guidelines for hunting.
Posted By: TurkeyHunter

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Originally Posted By: TurkeyHunter
If you buy the whitetail deer for your property, are they your deer or the states?

You release them into the wild-LF or HF they are then fall under the states property and guidelines for hunting.


Thanks I was curious about that.



With regard to testing deer at a processor, I bet there is some law that gives a biologist the right. The voluntary testing is probably more of a courtesy.

If someone takes a steer to a beef processor for slaughter/butchering, can it be tested for various things by a state employee without the owner's consent?



Also, when you leave a deer at the processor don't you complete and sign transfer of game paperwork? I believe it's called a Wildlife Resource Document. When you sign it that deer is no longer yours maybe?
Posted By: texassippi

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/10/15 07:25 PM

Originally Posted By: 8pointdrop
Originally Posted By: texassippi

I'd like to know if my deer on our family ranch have it. To each their own.

The point I was trying to make is, if they find it on your place you will have no deer. They've proven what their cure is, kill every deer that might have it, so they can test them for it. We're talking kill them by the truck bed full and dump them. You get your's tested, I'm better off I think with them not knowing if it's in my herd.


The thing y'all have to remember is cwd isn't a brand new deal. It's been around longer than any of us. The only herds decimated by it are the herds that were killed off to "stop the spread". Killing everything because it might die later isn't a answer to me.


I understand what you are saying. I know everyone has said the same thing, but our ranch is low fence with no high fences anywhere near us, o I guess I'm also pretty curious as to how they handle the situation if, for instance, one of our deer tested positive. Do they wipe out the deer on ours and surrounding properties or what? I'm going to go ahead and assume they don't know what they will do either.
Posted By: Pitchfork Predator

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/11/15 12:24 AM

Originally Posted By: texassippi
Originally Posted By: 8pointdrop
Originally Posted By: texassippi

I'd like to know if my deer on our family ranch have it. To each their own.

The point I was trying to make is, if they find it on your place you will have no deer. They've proven what their cure is, kill every deer that might have it, so they can test them for it. We're talking kill them by the truck bed full and dump them. You get your's tested, I'm better off I think with them not knowing if it's in my herd.


The thing y'all have to remember is cwd isn't a brand new deal. It's been around longer than any of us. The only herds decimated by it are the herds that were killed off to "stop the spread". Killing everything because it might die later isn't a answer to me.


I understand what you are saying. I know everyone has said the same thing, but our ranch is low fence with no high fences anywhere near us, o I guess I'm also pretty curious as to how they handle the situation if, for instance, one of our deer tested positive. Do they wipe out the deer on ours and surrounding properties or what? I'm going to go ahead and assume they don't know what they will do either.


To assume in this situation going by past history as how they "treat" this disease could cost you all of your deer herd on your family ranch. Are you willing to take that chance?
Posted By: texassippi

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/11/15 02:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Pitchfork Predator
Originally Posted By: texassippi
Originally Posted By: 8pointdrop
Originally Posted By: texassippi

I'd like to know if my deer on our family ranch have it. To each their own.

The point I was trying to make is, if they find it on your place you will have no deer. They've proven what their cure is, kill every deer that might have it, so they can test them for it. We're talking kill them by the truck bed full and dump them. You get your's tested, I'm better off I think with them not knowing if it's in my herd.


The thing y'all have to remember is cwd isn't a brand new deal. It's been around longer than any of us. The only herds decimated by it are the herds that were killed off to "stop the spread". Killing everything because it might die later isn't a answer to me.


I understand what you are saying. I know everyone has said the same thing, but our ranch is low fence with no high fences anywhere near us, o I guess I'm also pretty curious as to how they handle the situation if, for instance, one of our deer tested positive. Do they wipe out the deer on ours and surrounding properties or what? I'm going to go ahead and assume they don't know what they will do either.


To assume in this situation going by past history as how they "treat" this disease could cost you all of your deer herd on your family ranch. Are you willing to take that chance?


Well I just found out tonight two does that got shot got voluntarily submitted already so regardless If yall have changed my mind or not, the hay is in the barn already on the testing.
Posted By: huntingbig8

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/11/15 03:40 AM

Originally Posted By: therancher
Originally Posted By: huntingbig8
also, if a cow tests positive for spongifrom encephalopathy (mad cow), they will kill an entire herd and remove any sign of its existence, whitetails will not be treated the same in Texas, TDA will make sure of that.


I guess you missed what happened in medina co this summer.

first off the 35 killed were still on the ranch, secondly, none of the deer transported off have been secured yet, lastly, my point is that when a test is positive on somebody's ranch with some real clout, it willl be different.
Posted By: ChadTRG42

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/11/15 03:42 AM

They were testing the deer hanging up already at the processor with or without the hunters consent.
Posted By: grout-scout

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/11/15 03:54 AM

Well, I do believe you fellas have convinced me that if I were to be asked I'd choose to decline the test. Before the mention of total eradication I was for the test, now not so much.
Posted By: TurkeyHunter

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/11/15 04:49 AM

Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
They were testing the deer hanging up already at the processor with or without the hunters consent.


When you leave a deer at the processor don't you complete and sign transfer of game paperwork? I believe it's called a Wildlife Resource Document. When you sign it, that deer carcass is no longer yours?
Posted By: dogdown23

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/11/15 04:59 PM

No you don't sign a transfer when you leave a deer at the processor. Smh
Posted By: flounder

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/16/15 04:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Indyoshi
Even with no link to harming people..I think id like to know if my deer had cwd before grilling up a nice rare backstrap.



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‘’In the Archives of Neurology you quoted (the abstract of which was attached to your email), we did not say CWD in humans will present like variant CJD. That assumption would be wrong.’’

‘’Also, we do not claim that "no-one has ever been infected with prion disease from eating venison." Our conclusion stating that we found no strong evidence of CWD transmission to humans in the article you quoted or in any other forum is limited to the patients we investigated.’’

*** These results would seem to suggest that CWD does indeed have zoonotic potential, at least as judged by the compatibility of CWD prions and their human PrPC target. Furthermore, extrapolation from this simple in vitro assay suggests that if zoonotic CWD occurred, it would most likely effect those of the PRNP codon 129-MM genotype and that the PrPres type would be similar to that found in the most common subtype of sCJD (MM1).***

https://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/prion/article/28124/?nocache=112223249

*** The potential impact of prion diseases on human health was greatly magnified by the recognition that interspecies transfer of BSE to humans by beef ingestion resulted in vCJD. While changes in animal feed constituents and slaughter practices appear to have curtailed vCJD, there is concern that CWD of free-ranging deer and elk in the U.S. might also cross the species barrier. Thus, consuming venison could be a source of human prion disease. Whether BSE and CWD represent interspecies scrapie transfer or are newly arisen prion diseases is unknown. Therefore, the possibility of transmission of prion disease through other food animals cannot be ruled out. There is evidence that vCJD can be transmitted through blood transfusion. There is likely a pool of unknown size of asymptomatic individuals infected with vCJD, and there may be asymptomatic individuals infected with the CWD equivalent. These circumstances represent a potential threat to blood, blood products, and plasma supplies.

http://cdmrp.army.mil/prevfunded/nprp/NPRP_Summit_Final_Report.pdf

now, let’s see what the authors said about this casual link, personal communications years ago. see where it is stated NO STRONG evidence. so, does this mean there IS casual evidence ???? “Our conclusion stating that we found no strong evidence of CWD transmission to humans”

From: TSS (216-119-163-189.ipset45.wt.net)

Subject: CWD aka MAD DEER/ELK TO HUMANS ???

Date: September 30, 2002 at 7:06 am PST

From: "Belay, Ermias"

To: Cc: "Race, Richard (NIH)" ; ; "Belay, Ermias"

Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:22 AM

Subject: RE: TO CDC AND NIH - PUB MED- 3 MORE DEATHS - CWD - YOUNG HUNTERS

Dear Sir/Madam,

In the Archives of Neurology you quoted (the abstract of which was attached to your email), we did not say CWD in humans will present like variant CJD. That assumption would be wrong. I encourage you to read the whole article and call me if you have questions or need more clarification (phone: 404-639-3091). Also, we do not claim that "no-one has ever been infected with prion disease from eating venison." Our conclusion stating that we found no strong evidence of CWD transmission to humans in the article you quoted or in any other forum is limited to the patients we investigated.

Ermias Belay, M.D. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

-----Original Message-----

From: Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 10:15 AM

To: rr26k@nih.gov; rrace@niaid.nih.gov; ebb8@CDC.GOV

Subject: TO CDC AND NIH - PUB MED- 3 MORE DEATHS - CWD - YOUNG HUNTERS

Sunday, November 10, 2002 6:26 PM ......snip........end..............TSS

Thursday, April 03, 2008

A prion disease of cervids: Chronic wasting disease 2008 1: Vet Res. 2008 Apr 3;39(4):41 A prion disease of cervids: Chronic wasting disease Sigurdson CJ.

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*** twenty-seven CJD patients who regularly consumed venison were reported to the Surveillance Center***,

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http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2008/04/prion-disease-of-cervids-chronic.html

July's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article did prod state officials to ask CDC to investigate the cases of the three men who shared wild game feasts. The two men the CDC is still investigating were 55 and 66 years old. But there's also Kevin Boss, a Minnesota hunter who ate Barron County venison and died of CJD at 41. And there's Jeff Schwan, whose Michigan Tech fraternity brothers used to bring venison sausage back to the frat house. His mother, Terry, says that in May 2001, Jeff, 26, began complaining about his vision. A friend noticed misspellings in his e-mail, which was totally unlike him. Jeff began losing weight. He became irritable and withdrawn. By the end of June, he couldn't remember the four-digit code to open the garage door or when and how to feed his parents' cats. At a family gathering in July, he stuck to his parents and girlfriend, barely talking. "On the night we took him to the hospital, he was speaking like he was drunk or high and I noticed his pupils were so dilated I couldn't see the irises," his mother says. By then, Jeff was no longer able to do even simple things on his computer at work, and "in the hospital, he couldn't drink enough water." When he died on September 27, 2001, an autopsy confirmed he had sporadic CJD.

In 2000, Belay looked into three CJD cases reported by The Denver Post, two hunters who ate meat from animals killed in Wyoming and the daughter of a hunter who ate venison from a plant that processed Colorado elk. All three died of CJD before they were 30 years old. The CDC asked the USDA to kill 1,000 deer and elk in the area where the men hunted. Belay and others reported their findings in the Archives of Neurology, writing that although "circumstances suggested a link between the three cases and chronic wasting disease, they could find no 'causal' link." Which means, says Belay, "not a single one of those 1,000 deer tested positive for CWD. For all we know, these cases may be CWD. What we have now doesn't indicate a connection. That's reassuring, but it would be wrong to say it will never happen."

So far, says NIH researcher Race, the two Wisconsin cases pinpointed by the newspaper look like spontaneous CJD. "But we don't know how CWD would look in human brains. It probably would look like some garden-variety sporadic CJD." What the CDC will do with these cases and four others (three from Colorado and Schwan from Upper Michigan), Race says, is "sequence the prion protein from these people, inject it into mice and wait to see what the disease looks like in their brains. That will take two years."

CJD is so rare in people under age 30, one case in a billion (leaving out medical mishaps), that four cases under 30 is "very high," says Colorado neurologist Bosque. "Then, if you add these other two from Wisconsin [cases in the newspaper], six cases of CJD in people associated with venison is very, very high." Only now, with Mary Riley, there are at least seven, and possibly eight, with Steve, her dining companion. "It's not critical mass that matters," however, Belay says. "One case would do it for me." The chance that two people who know each other would both contact CJD, like the two Wisconsin sportsmen, is so unlikely, experts say, it would happen only once in 140 years.

Given the incubation period for TSEs in humans, it may require another generation to write the final chapter on CWD in Wisconsin. "Does chronic wasting disease pass into humans? We'll be able to answer that in 2022," says Race. Meanwhile, the state has become part of an immense experiment.

https://www.organicconsumers.org/old_articles/madcow/killer123103.php

I urge everyone to watch this video closely...terry

*** you can see video here and interview with Jeff's Mom, and scientist telling you to test everything and potential risk factors for humans ***

http://zoomify.uzh.ch:8080/zoomify/videos/video-004/video-004.html

*** These results would seem to suggest that CWD does indeed have zoonotic potential, at least as judged by the compatibility of CWD prions and their human PrPC target. Furthermore, extrapolation from this simple in vitro assay suggests that if zoonotic CWD occurred, it would most likely effect those of the PRNP codon 129-MM genotype and that the PrPres type would be similar to that found in the most common subtype of sCJD (MM1).***

https://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/prion/article/28124/?nocache=112223249

O.05: Transmission of prions to primates after extended silent incubation periods: Implications for BSE and scrapie risk assessment in human populations

Emmanuel Comoy, Jacqueline Mikol, Valerie Durand, Sophie Luccantoni, Evelyne Correia, Nathalie Lescoutra, Capucine Dehen, and Jean-Philippe Deslys Atomic Energy Commission; Fontenay-aux-Roses, France

Prion diseases (PD) are the unique neurodegenerative proteinopathies reputed to be transmissible under field conditions since decades. The transmission of Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) to humans evidenced that an animal PD might be zoonotic under appropriate conditions. Contrarily, in the absence of obvious (epidemiological or experimental) elements supporting a transmission or genetic predispositions, PD, like the other proteinopathies, are reputed to occur spontaneously (atpical animal prion strains, sporadic CJD summing 80% of human prion cases). Non-human primate models provided the first evidences supporting the transmissibiity of human prion strains and the zoonotic potential of BSE. Among them, cynomolgus macaques brought major information for BSE risk assessment for human health (Chen, 2014), according to their phylogenetic proximity to humans and extended lifetime. We used this model to assess the zoonotic potential of other animal PD from bovine, ovine and cervid origins even after very long silent incubation periods.

*** We recently observed the direct transmission of a natural classical scrapie isolate to macaque after a 10-year silent incubation period,

***with features similar to some reported for human cases of sporadic CJD, albeit requiring fourfold longe incubation than BSE. Scrapie, as recently evoked in humanized mice (Cassard, 2014),

***is the third potentially zoonotic PD (with BSE and L-type BSE),

***thus questioning the origin of human sporadic cases. We will present an updated panorama of our different transmission studies and discuss the implications of such extended incubation periods on risk assessment of animal PD for human health.

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***thus questioning the origin of human sporadic cases...TSS

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https://prion2015.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/prion2015abstracts.pdf



kind regards, terry
Posted By: flounder

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/16/15 04:33 PM


PL1

Using in vitro prion replication for high sensitive detection of prions and prionlike proteins and for understanding mechanisms of transmission.

Claudio Soto

Mitchell Center for Alzheimer's diseases and related Brain disorders, Department of Neurology, University of Texas Medical School at Houston.

Prion and prion-like proteins are misfolded protein aggregates with the ability to selfpropagate to spread disease between cells, organs and in some cases across individuals. I n T r a n s m i s s i b l e s p o n g i f o r m encephalopathies (TSEs), prions are mostly composed by a misfolded form of the prion protein (PrPSc), which propagates by transmitting its misfolding to the normal prion protein (PrPC). The availability of a procedure to replicate prions in the laboratory may be important to study the mechanism of prion and prion-like spreading and to develop high sensitive detection of small quantities of misfolded proteins in biological fluids, tissues and environmental samples. Protein Misfolding Cyclic Amplification (PMCA) is a simple, fast and efficient methodology to mimic prion replication in the test tube. PMCA is a platform technology that may enable amplification of any prion-like misfolded protein aggregating through a seeding/nucleation process. In TSEs, PMCA is able to detect the equivalent of one single molecule of infectious PrPSc and propagate prions that maintain high infectivity, strain properties and species specificity. Using PMCA we have been able to detect PrPSc in blood and urine of experimentally infected animals and humans affected by vCJD with high sensitivity and specificity. Recently, we have expanded the principles of PMCA to amplify amyloid-beta (Aβ) and alphasynuclein (α-syn) aggregates implicated in Alzheimer's and Parkinson's diseases, respectively. Experiments are ongoing to study the utility of this technology to detect Aβ and α-syn aggregates in samples of CSF and blood from patients affected by these diseases.

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***Recently, we have been using PMCA to study the role of environmental prion contamination on the horizontal spreading of TSEs. These experiments have focused on the study of the interaction of prions with plants and environmentally relevant surfaces. Our results show that plants (both leaves and roots) bind tightly to prions present in brain extracts and excreta (urine and feces) and retain even small quantities of PrPSc for long periods of time. Strikingly, ingestion of prioncontaminated leaves and roots produced disease with a 100% attack rate and an incubation period not substantially longer than feeding animals directly with scrapie brain homogenate. Furthermore, plants can uptake prions from contaminated soil and transport them to different parts of the plant tissue (stem and leaves). Similarly, prions bind tightly to a variety of environmentally relevant surfaces, including stones, wood, metals, plastic, glass, cement, etc. Prion contaminated surfaces efficiently transmit prion disease when these materials were directly injected into the brain of animals and strikingly when the contaminated surfaces were just placed in the animal cage. These findings demonstrate that environmental materials can efficiently bind infectious prions and act as carriers of infectivity, suggesting that they may play an important role in the horizontal transmission of the disease.

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Since its invention 13 years ago, PMCA has helped to answer fundamental questions of prion propagation and has broad applications in research areas including the food industry, blood bank safety and human and veterinary disease diagnosis.

https://prion2015.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/programguide1.pdf

see ;

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.4161/pri.28467

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0058630

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3567181/pdf/ppat.1003113.pdf

http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150210/srep08358/full/srep08358.html?WT.ec_id=SREP-639-20150217

http://www.cell.com/cell-reports/pdfExtended/S2211-1247(15)00437-4

98 | Veterinary Record | January 24, 2015

EDITORIAL

Scrapie: a particularly persistent pathogen

Cristina Acín

Resistant prions in the environment have been the sword of Damocles for scrapie control and eradication. Attempts to establish which physical and chemical agents could be applied to inactivate or moderate scrapie infectivity were initiated in the 1960s and 1970s,with the first study of this type focusing on the effect of heat treatment in reducing prion infectivity (Hunter and Millson 1964). Nowadays, most of the chemical procedures that aim to inactivate the prion protein are based on the method developed by Kimberlin and collaborators (1983). This procedure consists of treatment with 20,000 parts per million free chlorine solution, for a minimum of one hour, of all surfaces that need to be sterilised (in laboratories, lambing pens, slaughterhouses, and so on). Despite this, veterinarians and farmers may still ask a range of questions, such as ‘Is there an official procedure published somewhere?’ and ‘Is there an international organisation which recommends and defines the exact method of scrapie decontamination that must be applied?’

From a European perspective, it is difficult to find a treatment that could be applied, especially in relation to the disinfection of surfaces in lambing pens of affected flocks. A 999/2001 EU regulation on controlling spongiform encephalopathies (European Parliament and Council 2001) did not specify a particular decontamination measure to be used when an outbreak of scrapie is diagnosed. There is only a brief recommendation in Annex VII concerning the control and eradication of transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSE s).

Chapter B of the regulation explains the measures that must be applied if new caprine animals are to be introduced to a holding where a scrapie outbreak has previously been diagnosed. In that case, the statement indicates that caprine animals can be introduced ‘provided that a cleaning and disinfection of all animal housing on the premises has been carried out following destocking’.

Issues around cleaning and disinfection are common in prion prevention recommendations, but relevant authorities, veterinarians and farmers may have difficulties in finding the specific protocol which applies. The European Food and Safety Authority (EFSA ) published a detailed report about the efficacy of certain biocides, such as sodium hydroxide, sodium hypochlorite, guanidine and even a formulation of copper or iron metal ions in combination with hydrogen peroxide, against prions (EFSA 2009). The report was based on scientific evidence (Fichet and others 2004, Lemmer and others 2004, Gao and others 2006, Solassol and others 2006) but unfortunately the decontamination measures were not assessed under outbreak conditions.

The EFSA Panel on Biological Hazards recently published its conclusions on the scrapie situation in the EU after 10 years of monitoring and control of the disease in sheep and goats (EFSA 2014), and one of the most interesting findings was the Icelandic experience regarding the effect of disinfection in scrapie control. The Icelandic plan consisted of: culling scrapie-affected sheep or the whole flock in newly diagnosed outbreaks; deep cleaning and disinfection of stables, sheds, barns and equipment with high pressure washing followed by cleaning with 500 parts per million of hypochlorite; drying and treatment with 300 ppm of iodophor; and restocking was not permitted for at least two years. Even when all of these measures were implemented, scrapie recurred on several farms, indicating that the infectious agent survived for years in the environment, even as many as 16 years after restocking (Georgsson and others 2006).

In the rest of the countries considered in the EFSA (2014) report, recommendations for disinfection measures were not specifically defined at the government level. In the report, the only recommendation that is made for sheep is repopulation with sheep with scrapie-resistant genotypes. This reduces the risk of scrapie recurrence but it is difficult to know its effect on the infection.

Until the EFSA was established (in May 2003), scientific opinions about TSE s were provided by the Scientific Steering Committee (SSC) of the EC, whose advice regarding inactivation procedures focused on treating animal waste at high temperatures (150°C for three hours) and high pressure alkaline hydrolysis (SSC 2003). At the same time, the TSE Risk Management Subgroup of the Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) in the UK published guidance on safe working and the prevention of TSE infection. Annex C of the ACDP report established that sodium hypochlorite was considered to be effective, but only if 20,000 ppm of available chlorine was present for at least one hour, which has practical limitations such as the release of chlorine gas, corrosion, incompatibility with formaldehyde, alcohols and acids, rapid inactivation of its active chemicals and the stability of dilutions (ACDP 2009).

In an international context, the World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) does not recommend a specific disinfection protocol for prion agents in its Terrestrial Code or Manual. Chapter 4.13 of the Terrestrial Code, General recommendations on disinfection and disinsection (OIE 2014), focuses on foot-and-mouth disease virus, mycobacteria and Bacillus anthracis, but not on prion disinfection. Nevertheless, the last update published by the OIE on bovine spongiform encephalopathy (OIE 2012) indicates that few effective decontamination techniques are available to inactivate the agent on surfaces, and recommends the removal of all organic material and the use of sodium hydroxide, or a sodium hypochlorite solution containing 2 per cent available chlorine, for more than one hour at 20ºC.

The World Health Organization outlines guidelines for the control of TSE s, and also emphasises the importance of mechanically cleaning surfaces before disinfection with sodium hydroxide or sodium hypochlorite for one hour (WHO 1999).

Finally, the relevant agencies in both Canada and the USA suggest that the best treatments for surfaces potentially contaminated with prions are sodium hydroxide or sodium hypochlorite at 20,000 ppm. This is a 2 per cent solution, while most commercial household bleaches contain 5.25 per cent sodium hypochlorite. It is therefore recommended to dilute one part 5.25 per cent bleach with 1.5 parts water (CDC 2009, Canadian Food Inspection Agency 2013).

So what should we do about disinfection against prions? First, it is suggested that a single protocol be created by international authorities to homogenise inactivation procedures and enable their application in all scrapie-affected countries. Sodium hypochlorite with 20,000 ppm of available chlorine seems to be the procedure used in most countries, as noted in a paper summarised on p 99 of this issue of Veterinary Record (Hawkins and others 2015). But are we totally sure of its effectiveness as a preventive measure in a scrapie outbreak? Would an in-depth study of the recurrence of scrapie disease be needed?

What we can conclude is that, if we want to fight prion diseases, and specifically classical scrapie, we must focus on the accuracy of diagnosis, monitoring and surveillance; appropriate animal identification and control of movements; and, in the end, have homogeneous and suitable protocols to decontaminate and disinfect lambing barns, sheds and equipment available to veterinarians and farmers. Finally, further investigations into the resistance of prion proteins in the diversity of environmental surfaces are required.

References

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98 | Veterinary Record | January 24, 2015

http://veterinaryrecord.bmj.com/content/176/4/97.extract

Persistence of ovine scrapie infectivity in a farm environment following cleaning and decontamination

Steve A. C. Hawkins, MIBiol, Pathology Department1, Hugh A. Simmons, BVSc MRCVS, MBA, MA Animal Services Unit1, Kevin C. Gough, BSc, PhD2 and Ben C. Maddison, BSc, PhD3 + Author Affiliations

1Animal and Plant Health Agency, Woodham Lane, New Haw, Addlestone, Surrey KT15 3NB, UK 2School of Veterinary Medicine and Science, The University of Nottingham, Sutton Bonington, Loughborough, Leicestershire LE12 5RD, UK 3ADAS UK, School of Veterinary Medicine and Science, The University of Nottingham, Sutton Bonington, Loughborough, Leicestershire LE12 5RD, UK E-mail for correspondence: ben.maddison@adas.co.uk Abstract Scrapie of sheep/goats and chronic wasting disease of deer/elk are contagious prion diseases where environmental reservoirs are directly implicated in the transmission of disease. In this study, the effectiveness of recommended scrapie farm decontamination regimens was evaluated by a sheep bioassay using buildings naturally contaminated with scrapie. Pens within a farm building were treated with either 20,000 parts per million free chorine solution for one hour or were treated with the same but were followed by painting and full re-galvanisation or replacement of metalwork within the pen. Scrapie susceptible lambs of the PRNP genotype VRQ/VRQ were reared within these pens and their scrapie status was monitored by recto-anal mucosa-associated lymphoid tissue. All animals became infected over an 18-month period, even in the pen that had been subject to the most stringent decontamination process. These data suggest that recommended current guidelines for the decontamination of farm buildings following outbreaks of scrapie do little to reduce the titre of infectious scrapie material and that environmental recontamination could also be an issue associated with these premises.

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Discussion

Thorough pressure washing of a pen had no effect on the amount of bioavailable scrapie infectivity (pen B). The routine removal of prions from surfaces within a laboratory setting is treatment for a minimum of one hour with 20,000 ppm free chlorine, a method originally based on the use of brain macerates from infected rodents to evaluate the effectiveness of decontamination (Kimberlin and others 1983). Further studies have also investigated the effectiveness of hypochlorite disinfection of metal surfaces to simulate the decontamination of surgical devices within a hospital setting. Such treatments with hypochlorite solution were able to reduce infectivity by 5.5 logs to lower than the sensitivity of the bioassay used (Lemmer and others 2004). Analogous treatment of the pen surfaces did not effectively remove the levels of scrapie infectivity over that of the control pens, indicating that this method of decontamination is not effective within a farm setting. This may be due to the high level of biological matrix that is present upon surfaces within the farm environment, which may reduce the amount of free chlorine available to inactivate any infectious prion. Remarkably 1/5 sheep introduced into pen D had also became scrapie positive within nine months, with all animals in this pen being RAMALT positive by 18 months of age. Pen D was no further away from the control pen (pen A) than any of the other pens within this barn. Localised hot spots of infectivity may be present within scrapie-contaminated environments, but it is unlikely that pen D area had an amount of scrapie contamination that was significantly different than the other areas within this building. Similarly, there were no differences in how the biosecurity of pen D was maintained, or how this pen was ventilated compared with the other pens. This observation, perhaps, indicates the slower kinetics of disease uptake within this pen and is consistent with a more thorough prion removal and recontamination. These observations may also account for the presence of inadvertent scrapie cases within other studies, where despite stringent biosecurity, control animals have become scrapie positive during challenge studies using barns that also housed scrapie-affected animals (Ryder and others 2009).

***The bioassay data indicate that the exposure of the sheep to a farm environment after decontamination efforts thought to be effective in removing scrapie is sufficient for the animals to become infected with scrapie. The main exposure routes within this scenario are likely to be via the oral route, during feeding and drinking, and respiratory and conjunctival routes. It has been demonstrated that scrapie infectivity can be efficiently transmitted via the nasal route in sheep (Hamir and others 2008), as is the case for CWD in both murine models and in white-tailed deer (Denkers and others 2010, 2013).

Recently, it has also been demonstrated that CWD prions presented as dust when bound to the soil mineral montmorillonite can be infectious via the nasal route (Nichols and others 2013). When considering pens C and D, the actual source of the infectious agent in the pens is not known, it is possible that biologically relevant levels of prion survive on surfaces during the decontamination regimen (pen C). With the use of galvanising and painting (pen D) covering and sealing the surface of the pen, it is possible that scrapie material recontaminated the pens by the movement of infectious prions contained within dusts originating from other parts of the barn that were not decontaminated or from other areas of the farm.

Given that scrapie prions are widespread on the surfaces of affected farms (Maddison and others 2010a), irrespective of the source of the infectious prions in the pens, this study clearly highlights the difficulties that are faced with the effective removal of environmentally associated scrapie infectivity. This is likely to be paralleled in CWD which shows strong similarities to scrapie in terms of both the dissemination of prions into the environment and the facile mode of disease transmission. These data further contribute to the understanding that prion diseases can be highly transmissible between susceptible individuals not just by direct contact but through highly stable environmental reservoirs that are refractory to decontamination.

The presence of these environmentally associated prions in farm buildings make the control of these diseases a considerable challenge, especially in animal species such as goats where there is lack of genetic resistance to scrapie and, therefore, no scope to re-stock farms with animals that are resistant to scrapie.

Scrapie Sheep Goats Transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSE) Accepted October 12, 2014. Published Online First 31 October 2014

http://veterinaryrecord.bmj.com/content/early/2014/10/31/vr.102743.abstract

Monday, November 3, 2014

Persistence of ovine scrapie infectivity in a farm environment following cleaning and decontamination

http://transmissiblespongiformencephalopathy.blogspot.com/2014/11/persistence-of-ovine-scrapie.html

PPo3-22:

Detection of Environmentally Associated PrPSc on a Farm with Endemic Scrapie

Ben C. Maddison,1 Claire A. Baker,1 Helen C. Rees,1 Linda A. Terry,2 Leigh Thorne,2 Susan J. Belworthy2 and Kevin C. Gough3 1ADAS-UK LTD; Department of Biology; University of Leicester; Leicester, UK; 2Veterinary Laboratories Agency; Surry, KT UK; 3Department of Veterinary Medicine and Science; University of Nottingham; Sutton Bonington, Loughborough UK

Key words: scrapie, evironmental persistence, sPMCA

Ovine scrapie shows considerable horizontal transmission, yet the routes of transmission and specifically the role of fomites in transmission remain poorly defined. Here we present biochemical data demonstrating that on a scrapie-affected sheep farm, scrapie prion contamination is widespread. It was anticipated at the outset that if prions contaminate the environment that they would be there at extremely low levels, as such the most sensitive method available for the detection of PrPSc, serial Protein Misfolding Cyclic Amplification (sPMCA), was used in this study. We investigated the distribution of environmental scrapie prions by applying ovine sPMCA to samples taken from a range of surfaces that were accessible to animals and could be collected by use of a wetted foam swab. Prion was amplified by sPMCA from a number of these environmental swab samples including those taken from metal, plastic and wooden surfaces, both in the indoor and outdoor environment. At the time of sampling there had been no sheep contact with these areas for at least 20 days prior to sampling indicating that prions persist for at least this duration in the environment. These data implicate inanimate objects as environmental reservoirs of prion infectivity which are likely to contribute to disease transmission.

http://www.prion2010.org/bilder/prion_20...00b77af81be3099


kind regards, terry
Posted By: flounder

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/16/15 04:35 PM

the tse prion aka mad cow type disease is not your normal pathogen.

The TSE prion disease survives ashing to 600 degrees celsius, that’s around 1112 degrees farenheit.

you cannot cook the TSE prion disease out of meat. you can take the ash and mix it with saline and inject that ash into a mouse, and the mouse will go down with TSE.

Prion Infected Meat-and-Bone Meal Is Still Infectious after Biodiesel Production as well.

the TSE prion agent also survives Simulated Wastewater Treatment Processes.

IN fact, you should also know that the TSE Prion agent will survive in the environment for years, if not decades.

you can bury it and it will not go away.

The TSE agent is capable of infected your water table i.e. Detection of protease-resistant cervid prion protein in water from a CWD-endemic area.

it’s not your ordinary pathogen you can just cook it out and be done with.

that’s what’s so worrisome about Iatrogenic mode of transmission, a simple autoclave will not kill this TSE prion agent.

cwd to humans, consumption, exposure, sub-clinical, iatrogenic, what if ?

Tuesday, September 29, 2015

*** Transmission of chronic wasting disease to sentinel reindeer (Rangifer tarandus tarandus) can transmit CWD to naive reindeer both directly and indirectly

Research Project: TRANSMISSION, DIFFERENTIATION, AND PATHOBIOLOGY OF TRANSMISSIBLE SPONGIFORM ENCEPHALOPATHIES

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2015/09/transmission-of-chronic-wasting-disease.html

*** Infectious agent of sheep scrapie may persist in the environment for at least 16 years ***

Gudmundur Georgsson1, Sigurdur Sigurdarson2 and Paul Brown3

http://jgv.sgmjournals.org/content/87/12/3737.full

*** Spraker suggested an interesting explanation for the occurrence of CWD. The deer pens at the Foot Hills Campus were built some 30-40 years ago by a Dr. Bob Davis. At or abut that time, allegedly, some scrapie work was conducted at this site. When deer were introduced to the pens they occupied ground that had previously been occupied by sheep.

http://collections.europarchive.org/tna/20080102193705/http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11b/tab01.pdf

HIGHEST INFECTION RATE ON SEVERAL CWD CONFIRMED CAPTIVES

CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD WISCONSIN Almond Deer (Buckhorn Flats) Farm Update DECEMBER 2011

The CWD infection rate was nearly 80%, the highest ever in a North American captive herd.

RECOMMENDATION: That the Board approve the purchase of 80 acres of land for $465,000 for the Statewide Wildlife Habitat Program in Portage County and approve the restrictions on public use of the site.

SUMMARY:

http://dnr.wi.gov/about/nrb/2011/december/12-11-2b2.pdf

For Immediate Release Thursday, October 2, 2014

Dustin Vande Hoef 515/281-3375 or 515/326-1616 (cell) or Dustin.VandeHoef@IowaAgriculture.gov

*** TEST RESULTS FROM CAPTIVE DEER HERD WITH CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE RELEASED 79.8 percent of the deer tested positive for the disease

DES MOINES – The Iowa Department of Agriculture and Land Stewardship today announced that the test results from the depopulation of a quarantined captive deer herd in north-central Iowa showed that 284 of the 356 deer, or 79.8% of the herd, tested positive for Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD).

http://www.iowaagriculture.gov/press/2014press/press10022014.asp

*** see history of this CWD blunder here ;

http://www.iowadnr.gov/Portals/idnr/uploads/Hunting/070313_consent_order.pdf

On June 5, 2013, DNR conducted a fence inspection, after gaining approval from surrounding landowners, and confirmed that the fenced had been cut or removed in at least four separate locations; that the fence had degraded and was failing to maintain the enclosure around the Quarantined Premises in at least one area; that at least three gates had been opened;and that deer tracks were visible in and around one of the open areas in the sand on both sides of the fence, evidencing movement of deer into the Quarantined Premises.

http://www.iowadnr.gov/Portals/idnr/uploads/Hunting/060613_consent_order.pdf

The overall incidence of clinical CWD in white-tailed deer was 82%

Species (cohort) CWD (cases/total) Incidence (%) Age at CWD death (mo)

https://cpw.state.co.us/Documents/Hunting/BigGame/CWD/PDF/ResearchArticles/JWDEpiCWD.pdf

”The occurrence of CWD must be viewed against the contest of the locations in which it occurred. It was an incidental and unwelcome complication of the respective wildlife research programmes. Despite it’s subsequent recognition as a new disease of cervids, therefore justifying direct investigation, no specific research funding was forthcoming. The USDA veiwed it as a wildlife problem and consequently not their province!” page 26.

http://collections.europarchive.org/tna/20080102193705/http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11b/tab01.pdf

Sunday, January 06, 2013

USDA TO PGC ONCE CAPTIVES ESCAPE

*** "it‘s no longer its business.”

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2013/01/usda-to-pgc-once-captives-escape-its-no.html

CWD, spreading it around...

for the game farm industry, and their constituents, to continue to believe that they are _NOT_, and or insinuate that they have _NEVER_ been part of the problem, will only continue to help spread cwd. the game farming industry, from the shooting pens, to the urine mills, the antler mills, the sperm mills, velvet mills, shooting pens, to large ranches, are not the only problem, but it is painfully obvious that they have been part of the problem for decades and decades, just spreading it around, as with transportation and or exportation and or importation of cervids from game farming industry, and have been proven to spread cwd. no one need to look any further than South Korea blunder ;

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spreading cwd around...

Between 1996 and 2002, chronic wasting disease was diagnosed in 39 herds of farmed elk in Saskatchewan in a single epidemic. All of these herds were depopulated as part of the Canadian Food Inspection Agency’s (CFIA) disease eradication program. Animals, primarily over 12 mo of age, were tested for the presence CWD prions following euthanasia. Twenty-one of the herds were linked through movements of live animals with latent CWD from a single infected source herd in Saskatchewan, 17 through movements of animals from 7 of the secondarily infected herds.

***The source herd is believed to have become infected via importation of animals from a game farm in South Dakota where CWD was subsequently diagnosed (7,4). A wide range in herd prevalence of CWD at the time of herd depopulation of these herds was observed. Within-herd transmission was observed on some farms, while the disease remained confined to the introduced animals on other farms.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2081988/

spreading cwd around...

Friday, May 13, 2011

Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) outbreaks and surveillance program in the Republic of Korea

Hyun-Joo Sohn, Yoon-Hee Lee, Min-jeong Kim, Eun-Im Yun, Hyo-Jin Kim, Won-Yong Lee, Dong-Seob Tark, In- Soo Cho, Foreign Animal Disease Research Division, National Veterinary Research and Quarantine Service, Republic of Korea

Chronic wasting disease (CWD) has been recognized as an important prion disease in native North America deer and Rocky mountain elks. The disease is a unique member of the transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSEs), which naturally affects only a few species. CWD had been limited to USA and Canada until 2000.

On 28 December 2000, information from the Canadian government showed that a total of 95 elk had been exported from farms with CWD to Korea. These consisted of 23 elk in 1994 originating from the so-called “source farm” in Canada, and 72 elk in 1997, which had been held in pre export quarantine at the “source farm”.Based on export information of CWD suspected elk from Canada to Korea, CWD surveillance program was initiated by the Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry (MAF) in 2001.

All elks imported in 1997 were traced back, however elks imported in 1994 were impossible to identify. CWD control measures included stamping out of all animals in the affected farm, and thorough cleaning and disinfection of the premises. In addition, nationwide clinical surveillance of Korean native cervids, and improved measures to ensure reporting of CWD suspect cases were implemented.

Total of 9 elks were found to be affected. CWD was designated as a notifiable disease under the Act for Prevention of Livestock Epidemics in 2002.

Additional CWD cases - 12 elks and 2 elks - were diagnosed in 2004 and 2005.

Since February of 2005, when slaughtered elks were found to be positive, all slaughtered cervid for human consumption at abattoirs were designated as target of the CWD surveillance program. Currently, CWD laboratory testing is only conducted by National Reference Laboratory on CWD, which is the Foreign Animal Disease Division (FADD) of National Veterinary Research and Quarantine Service (NVRQS).

In July 2010, one out of 3 elks from Farm 1 which were slaughtered for the human consumption was confirmed as positive. Consequently, all cervid – 54 elks, 41 Sika deer and 5 Albino deer – were culled and one elk was found to be positive. Epidemiological investigations were conducted by Veterinary Epidemiology Division (VED) of NVRQS in collaboration with provincial veterinary services.

Epidemiologically related farms were found as 3 farms and all cervid at these farms were culled and subjected to CWD diagnosis. Three elks and 5 crossbreeds (Red deer and Sika deer) were confirmed as positive at farm 2.

All cervids at Farm 3 and Farm 4 – 15 elks and 47 elks – were culled and confirmed as negative.

Further epidemiological investigations showed that these CWD outbreaks were linked to the importation of elks from Canada in 1994 based on circumstantial evidences.

In December 2010, one elk was confirmed as positive at Farm 5. Consequently, all cervid – 3 elks, 11 Manchurian Sika deer and 20 Sika deer – were culled and one Manchurian Sika deer and seven Sika deer were found to be positive. This is the first report of CWD in these sub-species of deer. Epidemiological investigations found that the owner of the Farm 2 in CWD outbreaks in July 2010 had co-owned the Farm 5.

In addition, it was newly revealed that one positive elk was introduced from Farm 6 of Jinju-si Gyeongsang Namdo. All cervid – 19 elks, 15 crossbreed (species unknown) and 64 Sika deer – of Farm 6 were culled, but all confirmed as negative.

http://www.prion2011.ca/files/2011TSEBookletV6Final.pdf

http://www.prion2011.ca/files/PRION_2011_-_Posters_(May_5-11).pdf

http://www.cwd-info.org/index.php/fuseaction/news.detail/ID/c792d0e56e0cb3ee3a6517e754729cac

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2011/05/chronic-wasting-disease-cwd-outbreaks.html

New studies on the heat resistance of hamster-adapted scrapie agent: Threshold survival after ashing at 600°C suggests an inorganic template of replication

The infectious agents responsible for transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE) are notoriously resistant to most physical and chemical methods used for inactivating pathogens, including heat. It has long been recognized, for example, that boiling is ineffective and that higher temperatures are most efficient when combined with steam under pressure (i.e., autoclaving). As a means of decontamination, dry heat is used only at the extremely high temperatures achieved during incineration, usually in excess of 600°C. It has been assumed, without proof, that incineration totally inactivates the agents of TSE, whether of human or animal origin.

http://www.pnas.org/content/97/7/3418.full

Prion Infected Meat-and-Bone Meal Is Still Infectious after Biodiesel Production

Histochemical analysis of hamster brains inoculated with the solid residue showed typical spongiform degeneration and vacuolation. Re-inoculation of these brains into a new cohort of hamsters led to onset of clinical scrapie symptoms within 75 days, suggesting that the specific infectivity of the prion protein was not changed during the biodiesel process. The biodiesel reaction cannot be considered a viable prion decontamination method for MBM, although we observed increased survival time of hamsters and reduced infectivity greater than 6 log orders in the solid MBM residue. Furthermore, results from our study compare for the first time prion detection by Western Blot versus an infectivity bioassay for analysis of biodiesel reaction products. We could show that biochemical analysis alone is insufficient for detection of prion infectivity after a biodiesel process.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493038/

Detection of protease-resistant cervid prion protein in water from a CWD-endemic area

The data presented here demonstrate that sPMCA can detect low levels of PrPCWD in the environment, corroborate previous biological and experimental data suggesting long term persistence of prions in the environment2,3 and imply that PrPCWD accumulation over time may contribute to transmission of CWD in areas where it has been endemic for decades. This work demonstrates the utility of sPMCA to evaluate other environmental water sources for PrPCWD, including smaller bodies of water such as vernal pools and wallows, where large numbers of cervids congregate and into which prions from infected animals may be shed and concentrated to infectious levels.

http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/prion/NicholsPRION3-3.pdf

A Quantitative Assessment of the Amount of Prion Diverted to Category 1 Materials and Wastewater During Processing

Keywords:Abattoir;bovine spongiform encephalopathy;QRA;scrapie;TSE

In this article the development and parameterization of a quantitative assessment is described that estimates the amount of TSE infectivity that is present in a whole animal carcass (bovine spongiform encephalopathy [BSE] for cattle and classical/atypical scrapie for sheep and lambs) and the amounts that subsequently fall to the floor during processing at facilities that handle specified risk material (SRM). BSE in cattle was found to contain the most oral doses, with a mean of 9864 BO ID50s (310, 38840) in a whole carcass compared to a mean of 1851 OO ID50s (600, 4070) and 614 OO ID50s (155, 1509) for a sheep infected with classical and atypical scrapie, respectively. Lambs contained the least infectivity with a mean of 251 OO ID50s (83, 548) for classical scrapie and 1 OO ID50s (0.2, 2) for atypical scrapie. The highest amounts of infectivity falling to the floor and entering the drains from slaughtering a whole carcass at SRM facilities were found to be from cattle infected with BSE at rendering and large incineration facilities with 7.4 BO ID50s (0.1, 29), intermediate plants and small incinerators with a mean of 4.5 BO ID50s (0.1, 18), and collection centers, 3.6 BO ID50s (0.1, 14). The lowest amounts entering drains are from lambs infected with classical and atypical scrapie at intermediate plants and atypical scrapie at collection centers with a mean of 3 × 10−7 OO ID50s (2 × 10−8, 1 × 10−6) per carcass. The results of this model provide key inputs for the model in the companion paper published here.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1539-6924.2012.01922.x/abstract


kind regards, terry
Posted By: flounder

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/16/15 04:38 PM

Research Project: TRANSMISSION, DIFFERENTIATION, AND PATHOBIOLOGY OF TRANSMISSIBLE SPONGIFORM ENCEPHALOPATHIES

*** Title: Transmission of scrapie prions to primate after an extended silent incubation period Authors

item Comoy, Emmanuel - item Mikol, Jacqueline - item Luccantoni-Freire, Sophie - item Correia, Evelyne - item Lescoutra-Etchegaray, Nathalie - item Durand, Valérie - item Dehen, Capucine - item Andreoletti, Olivier - item Casalone, Cristina - item Richt, Juergen item Greenlee, Justin item Baron, Thierry - item Benestad, Sylvie - item Hills, Bob - item Brown, Paul - item Deslys, Jean-Philippe -

Submitted to: Scientific Reports Publication Type: Peer Reviewed Journal Publication Acceptance Date: May 28, 2015 Publication Date: June 30, 2015 Citation: Comoy, E.E., Mikol, J., Luccantoni-Freire, S., Correia, E., Lescoutra-Etchegaray, N., Durand, V., Dehen, C., Andreoletti, O., Casalone, C., Richt, J.A., Greenlee, J.J., Baron, T., Benestad, S., Brown, P., Deslys, J. 2015. Transmission of scrapie prions to primate after an extended silent incubation period. Scientific Reports. 5:11573. Interpretive Summary: The transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (also called prion diseases) are fatal neurodegenerative diseases that affect animals and humans. The agent of prion diseases is a misfolded form of the prion protein that is resistant to breakdown by the host cells. Since all mammals express prion protein on the surface of various cells such as neurons, all mammals are, in theory, capable of replicating prion diseases. One example of a prion disease, bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE; also called mad cow disease), has been shown to infect cattle, sheep, exotic undulates, cats, non-human primates, and humans when the new host is exposed to feeds or foods contaminated with the disease agent. The purpose of this study was to test whether non-human primates (cynomologous macaque) are susceptible to the agent of sheep scrapie. After an incubation period of approximately 10 years a macaque developed progressive clinical signs suggestive of neurologic disease. Upon postmortem examination and microscopic examination of tissues, there was a widespread distribution of lesions consistent with a transmissible spongiform encephalopathy. This information will have a scientific impact since it is the first study that demonstrates the transmission of scrapie to a non-human primate with a close genetic relationship to humans. This information is especially useful to regulatory officials and those involved with risk assessment of the potential transmission of animal prion diseases to humans.

Technical Abstract: Classical bovine spongiform encephalopathy (c-BSE) is an animal prion disease that also causes variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in humans. Over the past decades, c-BSE's zoonotic potential has been the driving force in establishing extensive protective measures for animal and human health. In complement to the recent demonstration that humanized mice are susceptible to scrapie, we report here the first observation of direct transmission of a natural classical scrapie isolate to a macaque after a 10-year incubation period. Neuropathologic examination revealed all of the features of a prion disease: spongiform change, neuronal loss, and accumulation of PrPres throughout the CNS.

***This observation strengthens the questioning of the harmlessness of scrapie to humans, at a time when protective measures for human and animal health are being dismantled and reduced as c-BSE is considered controlled and being eradicated. Our results underscore the importance of precautionary and protective measures and the necessity for long-term experimental transmission studies to assess the zoonotic potential of other animal prion strains.

http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/publications.htm?SEQ_NO_115=313160

Research Project: TRANSMISSION, DIFFERENTIATION, AND PATHOBIOLOGY OF TRANSMISSIBLE SPONGIFORM ENCEPHALOPATHIES

Title: Transmission of the agent of sheep scrapie to deer results in PrPSc with two distinct molecular profiles Authors

item Greenlee, Justin item Moore, Sarah - item Smith, Jodi item West Greenlee, Mary - item Kunkle, Robert

Submitted to: Prion Publication Type: Abstract Only Publication Acceptance Date: March 31, 2015 Publication Date: May 25, 2015 Citation: Greenlee, J., Moore, S.J., Smith, J.., West Greenlee, M.H., Kunkle, R. 2015.

Scrapie transmits to white-tailed deer by the oral route and has a molecular profile similar to chronic wasting disease and distinct from the scrapie inoculum. Prion 2015. p. S62. Technical Abstract: The purpose of this work was to determine susceptibility of white-tailed deer (WTD) to the agent of sheep scrapie and to compare the resultant PrPSc to that of the original inoculum and chronic wasting disease (CWD). We inoculated WTD by a natural route of exposure (concurrent oral and intranasal (IN); n=5) with a US scrapie isolate. All scrapie-inoculated deer had evidence of PrPSc accumulation. PrPSc was detected in lymphoid tissues at preclinical time points, and deer necropsied after 28 months post-inoculation had clinical signs, spongiform encephalopathy, and widespread distribution of PrPSc in neural and lymphoid tissues. Western blotting (WB) revealed PrPSc with 2 distinct molecular profiles. WB on cerebral cortex had a profile similar to the original scrapie inoculum, whereas WB of brainstem, cerebellum, or lymph nodes reveal PrPSc with a higher profile resembling CWD. Homogenates with the 2 distinct profiles from WTD with clinical scrapie were further passaged to mice expressing cervid prion protein and intranasally to sheep and WTD. In cervidized mice, the two inocula have distinct incubation times. Sheep inoculated intranasally with WTD derived scrapie developed disease, but only after inoculation with the inoculum that had a scrapie-like profile. The WTD study is ongoing, but deer in both inoculation groups are positive for PrPSc by rectal mucosal biopsy. In summary, this work demonstrates that WTD are susceptible to the agent of scrapie, two distinct molecular profiles of PrPSc are present in the tissues of affected deer, and inoculum of either profile type readily passes to deer.

http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/publications.htm?SEQ_NO_115=314097

Research Project: TRANSMISSION, DIFFERENTIATION, AND PATHOBIOLOGY OF TRANSMISSIBLE SPONGIFORM ENCEPHALOPATHIES

Title: Scrapie transmits to white-tailed deer by the oral route and has a molecular profile similar to chronic wasting disease Authors

item Greenlee, Justin item Moore, S - item Smith, Jodi - item Kunkle, Robert item West Greenlee, M -

Submitted to: American College of Veterinary Pathologists Meeting Publication Type: Abstract Only Publication Acceptance Date: August 12, 2015 Publication Date: N/A

Technical Abstract: The purpose of this work was to determine susceptibility of white-tailed deer (WTD) to the agent of sheep scrapie and to compare the resultant PrPSc to that of the original inoculum and chronic wasting disease (CWD). We inoculated WTD by a natural route of exposure (concurrent oral and intranasal (IN); n=5) with a US scrapie isolate. All scrapie-inoculated deer had evidence of PrPSc accumulation. PrPSc was detected in lymphoid tissues at preclinical time points, and deer necropsied after 28 months post-inoculation had clinical signs, spongiform encephalopathy, and widespread distribution of PrPSc in neural and lymphoid tissues. Western blotting (WB) revealed PrPSc with 2 distinct molecular profiles. WB on cerebral cortex had a profile similar to the original scrapie inoculum, whereas WB of brainstem, cerebellum, or lymph nodes revealed PrPSc with a higher profile resembling CWD. Homogenates with the 2 distinct profiles from WTD with clinical scrapie were further passaged to mice expressing cervid prion protein and intranasally to sheep and WTD. In cervidized mice, the two inocula have distinct incubation times. Sheep inoculated intranasally with WTD derived scrapie developed disease, but only after inoculation with the inoculum that had a scrapie-like profile. The WTD study is ongoing, but deer in both inoculation groups are positive for PrPSc by rectal mucosal biopsy. In summary, this work demonstrates that WTD are susceptible to the agent of scrapie, two distinct molecular profiles of PrPSc are present in the tissues of affected deer, and inoculum of either profile readily passes to deer.

http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/publications.htm?SEQ_NO_115=317901

Sunday, October 25, 2015

USAHA Detailed Events Schedule – 119th USAHA Annual Meeting CAPTIVE LIVESTOCK CWD SCRAPIE TSE PRION

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2015/10/usaha-detailed-events-schedule-119th.html


White-tailed Deer are Susceptible to Scrapie by Natural Route of Infection

Jodi D. Smith, Justin J. Greenlee, and Robert A. Kunkle; Virus and Prion Research Unit, National Animal Disease Center, USDA-ARS

Interspecies transmission studies afford the opportunity to better understand the potential host range and origins of prion diseases. Previous experiments demonstrated that white-tailed deer are susceptible to sheep-derived scrapie by intracranial inoculation. The purpose of this study was to determine susceptibility of white-tailed deer to scrapie after a natural route of exposure. Deer (n=5) were inoculated by concurrent oral (30 ml) and intranasal (1 ml) instillation of a 10% (wt/vol) brain homogenate derived from a sheep clinically affected with scrapie. Non-inoculated deer were maintained as negative controls. All deer were observed daily for clinical signs. Deer were euthanized and necropsied when neurologic disease was evident, and tissues were examined for abnormal prion protein (PrPSc) by immunohistochemistry (IHC) and western blot (WB). One animal was euthanized 15 months post-inoculation (MPI) due to an injury. At that time, examination of obex and lymphoid tissues by IHC was positive, but WB of obex and colliculus were negative. Remaining deer developed clinical signs of wasting and mental depression and were necropsied from 28 to 33 MPI. Tissues from these deer were positive for scrapie by IHC and WB. Tissues with PrPSc immunoreactivity included brain, tonsil, retropharyngeal and mesenteric lymph nodes, hemal node, Peyer’s patches, and spleen. This work demonstrates for the first time that white-tailed deer are susceptible to sheep scrapie by potential natural routes of inoculation. In-depth analysis of tissues will be done to determine similarities between scrapie in deer after intracranial and oral/intranasal inoculation and chronic wasting disease resulting from similar routes of inoculation.

see full text ;

http://www.usaha.org/Portals/6/Reports/2010/report-cwal-2010.pdf

PO-039: A comparison of scrapie and chronic wasting disease in white-tailed deer

Justin Greenlee, Jodi Smith, Eric Nicholson US Dept. Agriculture; Agricultural Research Service, National Animal Disease Center; Ames, IA USA

http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/prion/03-Prion6-2-Transmission-and-strains.pdf

White-tailed deer are susceptible to the agent of sheep scrapie by intracerebral inoculation

snip...

It is unlikely that CWD will be eradicated from free-ranging cervids, and the disease is likely to continue to spread geographically [10]. However, the potential that white-tailed deer may be susceptible to sheep scrapie by a natural route presents an additional confounding factor to halting the spread of CWD. This leads to the additional speculations that

1) infected deer could serve as a reservoir to infect sheep with scrapie offering challenges to scrapie eradication efforts and

2) CWD spread need not remain geographically confined to current endemic areas, but could occur anywhere that sheep with scrapie and susceptible cervids cohabitate.

This work demonstrates for the first time that white-tailed deer are susceptible to sheep scrapie by intracerebral inoculation with a high attack rate and that the disease that results has similarities to CWD. These experiments will be repeated with a more natural route of inoculation to determine the likelihood of the potential transmission of sheep scrapie to white-tailed deer. If scrapie were to occur in white-tailed deer, results of this study indicate that it would be detected as a TSE, but may be difficult to differentiate from CWD without in-depth biochemical analysis.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3199251/?tool=pubmed

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2011/10/white-tailed-deer-are-susceptible-to.html

2012

PO-039: A comparison of scrapie and chronic wasting disease in white-tailed deer

Justin Greenlee, Jodi Smith, Eric Nicholson US Dept. Agriculture; Agricultural Research Service, National Animal Disease Center; Ames, IA USA

snip...

The results of this study suggest that there are many similarities in the manifestation of CWD and scrapie in WTD after IC inoculation including early and widespread presence of PrPSc in lymphoid tissues, clinical signs of depression and weight loss progressing to wasting, and an incubation time of 21-23 months. Moreover, western blots (WB) done on brain material from the obex region have a molecular profile similar to CWD and distinct from tissues of the cerebrum or the scrapie inoculum. However, results of microscopic and IHC examination indicate that there are differences between the lesions expected in CWD and those that occur in deer with scrapie: amyloid plaques were not noted in any sections of brain examined from these deer and the pattern of immunoreactivity by IHC was diffuse rather than plaque-like.

*** After a natural route of exposure, 100% of WTD were susceptible to scrapie.

Deer developed clinical signs of wasting and mental depression and were necropsied from 28 to 33 months PI. Tissues from these deer were positive for PrPSc by IHC and WB. Similar to IC inoculated deer, samples from these deer exhibited two different molecular profiles: samples from obex resembled CWD whereas those from cerebrum were similar to the original scrapie inoculum. On further examination by WB using a panel of antibodies, the tissues from deer with scrapie exhibit properties differing from tissues either from sheep with scrapie or WTD with CWD. Samples from WTD with CWD or sheep with scrapie are strongly immunoreactive when probed with mAb P4, however, samples from WTD with scrapie are only weakly immunoreactive. In contrast, when probed with mAb’s 6H4 or SAF 84, samples from sheep with scrapie and WTD with CWD are weakly immunoreactive and samples from WTD with scrapie are strongly positive. This work demonstrates that WTD are highly susceptible to sheep scrapie, but on first passage, scrapie in WTD is differentiable from CWD.

http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/prion/03-Prion6-2-Transmission-and-strains.pdf

2011

*** After a natural route of exposure, 100% of white-tailed deer were susceptible to scrapie.

http://www.usaha.org/Portals/6/Reports/2011/report-cwal-2011.pdf


Friday, August 14, 2015

*** Susceptibility of cattle to the agent of chronic wasting disease from elk after intracranial inoculation

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2015/08/susceptibility-of-cattle-to-agent-of.html

Friday, August 14, 2015

*** Carcass Management During a Mass Animal Health Emergency Draft Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement—August 2015

http://transmissiblespongiformencephalop...ass-animal.html

Tuesday, September 22, 2015

*** Host Determinants of Prion Strain Diversity Independent of Prion Protein Genotype

http://transmissiblespongiformencephalop...ion-strain.html

Friday, August 28, 2015

*** Chronic Wasting Disease CWD TSE Prion Diagnostics and subclinical infection ***

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2015/08/chronic-wasting-disease-cwd-tse-prion.html


kind regards, terry
Posted By: Double Naught Spy

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/16/15 05:23 PM

Originally Posted By: txtrophy85


Exactly.

Contrary to popular belief, CWD is and has been naturally occurring since whitetail deer were in existence



Funny, the evidence to support this claim seems lacking.
http://www.cwd-info.org/index.php/fuseaction/about.faqDetail/ID/ed313ea17872d4dc90aedf94b341f0cc
http://www.stopcwd.org/library/library2.cfm?articleID=13
Posted By: therancher

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/17/15 04:17 PM

Originally Posted By: huntingbig8
Originally Posted By: therancher
Originally Posted By: huntingbig8
also, if a cow tests positive for spongifrom encephalopathy (mad cow), they will kill an entire herd and remove any sign of its existence, whitetails will not be treated the same in Texas, TDA will make sure of that.


I guess you missed what happened in medina co this summer.

first off the 35 killed were still on the ranch, secondly, none of the deer transported off have been secured yet, lastly, my point is that when a test is positive on somebody's ranch with some real clout, it willl be different.


Just as I thought, you're not current on what went on this summer. Hundreds of deer were killed all over the state because of the two positives in medina co. That ranch sold deer to over 100 ranches in the state, including virtually all breeders with "clout".

Educate yourself, or not.
Posted By: huntingbig8

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/18/15 03:45 AM

the last number Posted was the ranch had sold over 700 deer to ranches throughout the state, you say that there were hundreds killed, if so, were over 700 killed? If they did, then kudos to them for being proactive. if not, why some and not all? I'm certainly not an expert on high fences or breeding facilities, but dang sure understand a lot of hunter's perceptions on the issue, including mine.
Posted By: stxranchman

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/18/15 03:52 AM

Originally Posted By: huntingbig8
the last number Posted was the ranch had sold over 700 deer to ranches throughout the state, you say that there were hundreds killed, if so, were over 700 killed? If they did, then kudos to them for being proactive. if not, why some and not all? I'm certainly not an expert on high fences or breeding facilities, but dang sure understand a lot of hunter's perceptions on the issue, including mine.

The same reason they have not killed every Mule Deer in the infected area I guess confused2 As a hunter I am more concerned about CWD got from West Texas to Medina County than killing healthy deer.
Posted By: grout-scout

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/18/15 04:02 AM

Anybody got the cliff notes as to what the 4 page report above says? Put it in idiot terms if you don't mind.
Posted By: Pitchfork Predator

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/18/15 12:31 PM

Originally Posted By: huntingbig8
the last number Posted was the ranch had sold over 700 deer to ranches throughout the state, you say that there were hundreds killed, if so, were over 700 killed? If they did, then kudos to them for being proactive. if not, why some and not all? I'm certainly not an expert on high fences or breeding facilities, but dang sure understand a lot of hunter's perceptions on the issue, including mine.


Kudos to them? IMO that's a very ignorant statement.
Posted By: huntingbig8

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/18/15 02:32 PM

yea, Marc. how would you rather me say it? I'm glad? happy? excited? sad? tell me in your expert opinion, which would be a better way of saying it. my point there is that if the breeders/ranchers are that proactive about heading off the cwd, then they have done their job.
Posted By: stxranchman

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/18/15 03:52 PM

Originally Posted By: huntingbig8
yea, Marc. how would you rather me say it? I'm glad? happy? excited? sad? tell me in your expert opinion, which would be a better way of saying it. my point there is that if the breeders/ranchers are that proactive about heading off the cwd, then they have done their job.

Explain how they could head off CWD? TPWD did nothing to "head" it off in West Texas when it got across the border from New Mexico. How did it get to Medina County from West Texas? I'll wait for the answer. popcorn


BTW...Breeders and ranchers have been proactive. They have tested over 30,000 deer in the past 10 years now. Any breeder has to test a % of all deaths in their pens(over a certain age). Any rancher moving deer via TTT has to test a %. Many ranches volunteered samples when they asked for TPWD back in the mid 2000's. How many have you tested to be pro-active? popcorn
Posted By: 8pointdrop

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/18/15 03:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Pitchfork Predator
Originally Posted By: huntingbig8
the last number Posted was the ranch had sold over 700 deer to ranches throughout the state, you say that there were hundreds killed, if so, were over 700 killed? If they did, then kudos to them for being proactive. if not, why some and not all? I'm certainly not an expert on high fences or breeding facilities, but dang sure understand a lot of hunter's perceptions on the issue, including mine.


Kudos to them? IMO that's a very ignorant statement.

Kudos for killing blindly? More like knee jerk reaction that solved nothing.
Posted By: flounder

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/18/15 04:30 PM

Wednesday, November 18, 2015

TEXAS Mule Deer Outlook Promising; Hunters Reminded of Mandatory CWD Testing

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2015/11/texas-mule-deer-outlook-promising.html
Posted By: flounder

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/18/15 04:38 PM

Wyoming WGF Commission Meeting 11/6/2015 Afternoon Edition Video

CWD starts at minute 58:51 of first hour of meeting discussion of previous models predicting extinction of deer population and elk population.

please mark hour 1:02 where remarks were made about potential resistant genes and prolonged survival, however a recent study (I posted directly next after youtube link) where it states ;

‘’Our study also demonstrates that mice expressing the deer S96-PRNP allele, previously shown to be resistant to various cervid prions, are susceptible to H95+ CWD prions. The potential for the generation of novel strains raises the possibility of an expanded host range for CWD. ‘’

hour minute mark 1:03

captive Elk study

39 femail elk calves captured on National Elk Refuge In Jackson, WY

Transported to WGFD Thorne-Williams Wildlife Research Unit (Sybille, TWWRU)

Worst-case scenario for prion exposure

Genotypes

-27 M/M132 (69.2%)

-11 M/L132 (28.2%)

-1 L/L132 (2.6%)

38 of 39 elk died over 10-year study

1 remaining elk was L/L132

still alive and remained negative for PrPCWD by rectal biopsy

Appears healthy, weighs 242kg, and bore healthy calf in May, 2012

CWD infection rate in this study ???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnlk4kW3fFw

> During the analysis, 37 of 39 elk died, all of which were positive for CWD.

http://www.esajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1890/ES14-00013.1

*** Our study also demonstrates that mice expressing the deer S96-PRNP allele, previously shown to be resistant to various cervid prions, are susceptible to H95+ CWD prions. ***

*** The potential for the generation of novel strains raises the possibility of an expanded host range for CWD. ***

Deer Prion Proteins Modulate the Emergence and Adaptation of Chronic Wasting Disease Strains

Camilo Duque Velásqueza,b, Chiye Kima,c, Allen Herbsta,b, Nathalie Daudea,d, Maria Carmen Garzaa,e, Holger Willea,e, Judd Aikena,b and Debbie McKenziea,c aCentre for Prions and Protein Folding Diseases, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada bDepartment of Agricultural, Food and Nutritional Science, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada cDepartment of Biological Sciences, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada dDepartment of Medicine, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada eDepartment of Biochemistry, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

B. Caughey, Editor

+ Author Affiliations

ABSTRACT

Transmission of chronic wasting disease (CWD) between cervids is influenced by the primary structure of the host cellular prion protein (PrPC). In white-tailed deer, PRNP alleles encode the polymorphisms Q95 G96 (wild type [wt]), Q95 S96 (referred to as the S96 allele), and H95 G96 (referred to as the H95 allele), which differentially impact CWD progression. We hypothesize that the transmission of CWD prions between deer expressing different allotypes of PrPC modifies the contagious agent affecting disease spread. To evaluate the transmission properties of CWD prions derived experimentally from deer of four PRNP genotypes (wt/wt, S96/wt, H95/wt, or H95/S96), transgenic (tg) mice expressing the wt allele (tg33) or S96 allele (tg60) were challenged with these prion agents. Passage of deer CWD prions into tg33 mice resulted in 100% attack rates, with the CWD H95/S96 prions having significantly longer incubation periods. The disease signs and neuropathological and protease-resistant prion protein (PrP-res) profiles in infected tg33 mice were similar between groups, indicating that a prion strain (Wisc-1) common to all CWD inocula was amplified. In contrast, tg60 mice developed prion disease only when inoculated with the H95/wt and H95/S96 CWD allotypes. Serial passage in tg60 mice resulted in adaptation of a novel CWD strain (H95+) with distinct biological properties. Transmission of first-passage tg60CWD-H95+ isolates into tg33 mice, however, elicited two prion disease presentations consistent with a mixture of strains associated with different PrP-res glycotypes. Our data indicate that H95-PRNP heterozygous deer accumulated two CWD strains whose emergence was dictated by the PrPC primary structure of the recipient host. These findings suggest that CWD transmission between cervids expressing distinct PrPC molecules results in the generation of novel CWD strains.

IMPORTANCE CWD prions are contagious among wild and captive cervids in North America and in South Korea. We present data linking the amino acid variant Q95H in white-tailed deer cellular prion protein (PrPC) to the emergence of a novel CWD strain (H95+). We show that, upon infection, deer expressing H95-PrPC molecules accumulated a mixture of CWD strains that selectively propagated depending on the PRNP genotype of the host in which they were passaged. Our study also demonstrates that mice expressing the deer S96-PRNP allele, previously shown to be resistant to various cervid prions, are susceptible to H95+ CWD prions. The potential for the generation of novel strains raises the possibility of an expanded host range for CWD.

http://jvi.asm.org/content/89/24/12362.abstract?etoc

*** Our study also demonstrates that mice expressing the deer S96-PRNP allele, previously shown to be resistant to various cervid prions, are susceptible to H95+ CWD prions. ***

*** The potential for the generation of novel strains raises the possibility of an expanded host range for CWD. ***

UPDATE CWD VACCINE ELK minute mark 1:22:00

VACCINE

RECOMBINANT PROTEIN FUSION VACCINE

Hedlin, PD et al ‘’Design and delivery of a cryptic PrP c epitope for induction of Prp Sc-specific antibody responses.’’ Vaccine 28.4 (2010) 981-988.

PAN-PROVINCIAL VACCINE ENTERPRISES (PREVENT)

Dose: 2ml IM CWD VACCINE UPDATE IS A FAILURE, I REPEAT, A NEGATIVE RESULTS FOR CWD VACCINE. .tss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnlk4kW3fFw

Monday, November 16, 2015

*** Wyoming Latest round of testing CWD surveillance program has found the disease in three new hunt areas

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2015/11/wyoming-latest-round-of-testing-cwd.html
Posted By: txhunter1010

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/18/15 04:45 PM

can CWD affect humans if eaten?
Posted By: Pitchfork Predator

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/18/15 11:47 PM

It has not been proven to affect humans when eaten. And you can bet there have been plenty eaten that never knew the deer had CWD. Remember, it has been found in wild deer and elk herds.
Posted By: flounder

Re: GW and biologist checking for CWD - 11/19/15 03:36 PM

Originally Posted By: txhunter1010
can CWD affect humans if eaten?


you have to read the recent science, and then make your own mind up. take this research with how ever many grains of salt you wish. personally, I don't care what you eat, but then you must think of friendly fire, second hand transmission of the cwd tse prion agent to humans via the iatrogenic mode of transmission, i.e. medical, surgical, dental, subclinical transmission, the pass it forward mode of transmission. oh it's real with sporadic cjd, and cwd to humans most likely look like some strain of sporadic cjd. ...


Transmission of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease to a chimpanzee by electrodes contaminated during neurosurgery.

Gibbs CJ Jr, Asher DM, Kobrine A, Amyx HL, Sulima MP, Gajdusek DC. Laboratory of Central Nervous System Studies, National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD 20892.

Stereotactic multicontact electrodes used to probe the cerebral cortex of a middle aged woman with progressive dementia were previously implicated in the accidental transmission of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) to two younger patients. The diagnoses of CJD have been confirmed for all three cases. More than two years after their last use in humans, after three cleanings and repeated sterilisation in ethanol and formaldehyde vapour, the electrodes were implanted in the cortex of a chimpanzee. Eighteen months later the animal became ill with CJD. This finding serves to re-emphasise the potential danger posed by reuse of instruments contaminated with the agents of spongiform encephalopathies, even after scrupulous attempts to clean them.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...p;dopt=Abstract

*** PRION 2015 CONFERENCE FT. COLLINS CWD RISK FACTORS TO HUMANS ***

*** LATE-BREAKING ABSTRACTS PRION 2015 CONFERENCE ***

O18

Zoonotic Potential of CWD Prions

Liuting Qing1, Ignazio Cali1,2, Jue Yuan1, Shenghai Huang3, Diane Kofskey1, Pierluigi Gambetti1, Wenquan Zou1, Qingzhong Kong1 1Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, USA, 2Second University of Naples, Naples, Italy, 3Encore Health Resources, Houston, Texas, USA

***These results indicate that the CWD prion has the potential to infect human CNS and peripheral lymphoid tissues and that there might be asymptomatic human carriers of CWD infection.***

P.105: RT-QuIC models trans-species prion transmission

Kristen Davenport, Davin Henderson, Candace Mathiason, and Edward Hoover Prion Research Center; Colorado State University; Fort Collins, CO USA

Additionally, human rPrP was competent for conversion by CWD and fCWD.

***This insinuates that, at the level of protein:protein interactions, the barrier preventing transmission of CWD to humans is less robust than previously estimated.***

https://prion2015.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/programguide1.pdf

From: Terry S. Singeltary Sr.

Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 9:29 PM

To: Terry S. Singeltary Sr.

Subject: THE EPIDEMIOLOGY OF CREUTZFELDT-JAKOB DISEASE R. G. WILL 1984

THE EPIDEMIOLOGY OF CREUTZFELDT-JAKOB DISEASE

R. G. WILL

1984

*** The association between venison eating and risk of CJD shows similar pattern, with regular venison eating associated with a 9 FOLD INCREASE IN RISK OF CJD (p = 0.04). (SEE LINK IN REPORT HERE...TSS) PLUS, THE CDC DID NOT PUT THIS WARNING OUT FOR THE WELL BEING OF THE DEER AND ELK ;

snip...

http://web.archive.org/web/20050425210551/http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m26/tab01.pdf

85%+ of all human tse prion disease is sporadic CJD.

see what the NIH prion Gods say themselves ;

‘’In the Archives of Neurology you quoted (the abstract of which was attached to your email), we did not say CWD in humans will present like variant CJD. That assumption would be wrong.’’

‘’Also, we do not claim that "no-one has ever been infected with prion disease from eating venison." Our conclusion stating that we found no strong evidence of CWD transmission to humans in the article you quoted or in any other forum is limited to the patients we investigated.’’

*** These results would seem to suggest that CWD does indeed have zoonotic potential, at least as judged by the compatibility of CWD prions and their human PrPC target. Furthermore, extrapolation from this simple in vitro assay suggests that if zoonotic CWD occurred, it would most likely effect those of the PRNP codon 129-MM genotype and that the PrPres type would be similar to that found in the most common subtype of sCJD (MM1).***

https://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/prion/article/28124/?nocache=112223249

*** The potential impact of prion diseases on human health was greatly magnified by the recognition that interspecies transfer of BSE to humans by beef ingestion resulted in vCJD. While changes in animal feed constituents and slaughter practices appear to have curtailed vCJD, there is concern that CWD of free-ranging deer and elk in the U.S. might also cross the species barrier. Thus, consuming venison could be a source of human prion disease. Whether BSE and CWD represent interspecies scrapie transfer or are newly arisen prion diseases is unknown. Therefore, the possibility of transmission of prion disease through other food animals cannot be ruled out. There is evidence that vCJD can be transmitted through blood transfusion. There is likely a pool of unknown size of asymptomatic individuals infected with vCJD, and there may be asymptomatic individuals infected with the CWD equivalent. These circumstances represent a potential threat to blood, blood products, and plasma supplies.

http://cdmrp.army.mil/prevfunded/nprp/NPRP_Summit_Final_Report.pdf

now, let’s see what the authors said about this casual link, personal communications years ago. see where it is stated NO STRONG evidence. so, does this mean there IS casual evidence ???? “Our conclusion stating that we found no strong evidence of CWD transmission to humans”

From: TSS (216-119-163-189.ipset45.wt.net)

Subject: CWD aka MAD DEER/ELK TO HUMANS ???

Date: September 30, 2002 at 7:06 am PST

From: "Belay, Ermias"

To: Cc: "Race, Richard (NIH)" ; ; "Belay, Ermias"

Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:22 AM

Subject: RE: TO CDC AND NIH - PUB MED- 3 MORE DEATHS - CWD - YOUNG HUNTERS

Dear Sir/Madam,

In the Archives of Neurology you quoted (the abstract of which was attached to your email), we did not say CWD in humans will present like variant CJD. That assumption would be wrong. I encourage you to read the whole article and call me if you have questions or need more clarification (phone: 404-639-3091). Also, we do not claim that "no-one has ever been infected with prion disease from eating venison." Our conclusion stating that we found no strong evidence of CWD transmission to humans in the article you quoted or in any other forum is limited to the patients we investigated.

Ermias Belay, M.D. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

-----Original Message-----

From: Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 10:15 AM

To: rr26k@nih.gov; rrace@niaid.nih.gov; ebb8@CDC.GOV

Subject: TO CDC AND NIH - PUB MED- 3 MORE DEATHS - CWD - YOUNG HUNTERS

Sunday, November 10, 2002 6:26 PM ......snip........end..............TSS

Thursday, April 03, 2008

A prion disease of cervids: Chronic wasting disease 2008 1: Vet Res. 2008 Apr 3;39(4):41 A prion disease of cervids: Chronic wasting disease Sigurdson CJ.

snip...

*** twenty-seven CJD patients who regularly consumed venison were reported to the Surveillance Center***,

snip... full text ;

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2008/04/prion-disease-of-cervids-chronic.html

July's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article did prod state officials to ask CDC to investigate the cases of the three men who shared wild game feasts. The two men the CDC is still investigating were 55 and 66 years old. But there's also Kevin Boss, a Minnesota hunter who ate Barron County venison and died of CJD at 41. And there's Jeff Schwan, whose Michigan Tech fraternity brothers used to bring venison sausage back to the frat house. His mother, Terry, says that in May 2001, Jeff, 26, began complaining about his vision. A friend noticed misspellings in his e-mail, which was totally unlike him. Jeff began losing weight. He became irritable and withdrawn. By the end of June, he couldn't remember the four-digit code to open the garage door or when and how to feed his parents' cats. At a family gathering in July, he stuck to his parents and girlfriend, barely talking. "On the night we took him to the hospital, he was speaking like he was drunk or high and I noticed his pupils were so dilated I couldn't see the irises," his mother says. By then, Jeff was no longer able to do even simple things on his computer at work, and "in the hospital, he couldn't drink enough water." When he died on September 27, 2001, an autopsy confirmed he had sporadic CJD.

In 2000, Belay looked into three CJD cases reported by The Denver Post, two hunters who ate meat from animals killed in Wyoming and the daughter of a hunter who ate venison from a plant that processed Colorado elk. All three died of CJD before they were 30 years old. The CDC asked the USDA to kill 1,000 deer and elk in the area where the men hunted. Belay and others reported their findings in the Archives of Neurology, writing that although "circumstances suggested a link between the three cases and chronic wasting disease, they could find no 'causal' link." Which means, says Belay, "not a single one of those 1,000 deer tested positive for CWD. For all we know, these cases may be CWD. What we have now doesn't indicate a connection. That's reassuring, but it would be wrong to say it will never happen."

So far, says NIH researcher Race, the two Wisconsin cases pinpointed by the newspaper look like spontaneous CJD. "But we don't know how CWD would look in human brains. It probably would look like some garden-variety sporadic CJD." What the CDC will do with these cases and four others (three from Colorado and Schwan from Upper Michigan), Race says, is "sequence the prion protein from these people, inject it into mice and wait to see what the disease looks like in their brains. That will take two years."

CJD is so rare in people under age 30, one case in a billion (leaving out medical mishaps), that four cases under 30 is "very high," says Colorado neurologist Bosque. "Then, if you add these other two from Wisconsin [cases in the newspaper], six cases of CJD in people associated with venison is very, very high." Only now, with Mary Riley, there are at least seven, and possibly eight, with Steve, her dining companion. "It's not critical mass that matters," however, Belay says. "One case would do it for me." The chance that two people who know each other would both contact CJD, like the two Wisconsin sportsmen, is so unlikely, experts say, it would happen only once in 140 years.

Given the incubation period for TSEs in humans, it may require another generation to write the final chapter on CWD in Wisconsin. "Does chronic wasting disease pass into humans? We'll be able to answer that in 2022," says Race. Meanwhile, the state has become part of an immense experiment.

https://www.organicconsumers.org/old_articles/madcow/killer123103.php

I urge everyone to watch this video closely...terry

*** you can see video here and interview with Jeff's Mom, and scientist telling you to test everything and potential risk factors for humans ***

http://zoomify.uzh.ch:8080/zoomify/videos/video-004/video-004.html

*** These results would seem to suggest that CWD does indeed have zoonotic potential, at least as judged by the compatibility of CWD prions and their human PrPC target. Furthermore, extrapolation from this simple in vitro assay suggests that if zoonotic CWD occurred, it would most likely effect those of the PRNP codon 129-MM genotype and that the PrPres type would be similar to that found in the most common subtype of sCJD (MM1).***

https://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/prion/article/28124/?nocache=112223249

O.05: Transmission of prions to primates after extended silent incubation periods: Implications for BSE and scrapie risk assessment in human populations

Emmanuel Comoy, Jacqueline Mikol, Valerie Durand, Sophie Luccantoni, Evelyne Correia, Nathalie Lescoutra, Capucine Dehen, and Jean-Philippe Deslys Atomic Energy Commission; Fontenay-aux-Roses, France

Prion diseases (PD) are the unique neurodegenerative proteinopathies reputed to be transmissible under field conditions since decades. The transmission of Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) to humans evidenced that an animal PD might be zoonotic under appropriate conditions. Contrarily, in the absence of obvious (epidemiological or experimental) elements supporting a transmission or genetic predispositions, PD, like the other proteinopathies, are reputed to occur spontaneously (atpical animal prion strains, sporadic CJD summing 80% of human prion cases). Non-human primate models provided the first evidences supporting the transmissibiity of human prion strains and the zoonotic potential of BSE. Among them, cynomolgus macaques brought major information for BSE risk assessment for human health (Chen, 2014), according to their phylogenetic proximity to humans and extended lifetime. We used this model to assess the zoonotic potential of other animal PD from bovine, ovine and cervid origins even after very long silent incubation periods.

*** We recently observed the direct transmission of a natural classical scrapie isolate to macaque after a 10-year silent incubation period,

***with features similar to some reported for human cases of sporadic CJD, albeit requiring fourfold longe incubation than BSE. Scrapie, as recently evoked in humanized mice (Cassard, 2014),

***is the third potentially zoonotic PD (with BSE and L-type BSE),

***thus questioning the origin of human sporadic cases. We will present an updated panorama of our different transmission studies and discuss the implications of such extended incubation periods on risk assessment of animal PD for human health.

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***thus questioning the origin of human sporadic cases...TSS

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https://prion2015.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/prion2015abstracts.pdf


kind regards, terry
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