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 Pen raised question
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01/29/09 06:55 AM
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BirdDog3TC
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Can you shoot pen raised upland birds on your property if it is not during the normal hunting season?
I know you can't tell the difference between flushing a pen raised bird versus flushing a wild bird, but if you're releasing pheasant in a county where there isn't pheasant hunting then it seems like you wouldn't have a chance at killing wild birds, just the ones you released.
Also, on the Texas parks and wildlife website it says that there is no open season for partridge and chukar. Does that mean you can never shoot those birds in Texas? I know many people use them for training their dogs, if this is correct then that means you don't shoot them you just let your dog find the coveys?
Sorry for my ignorance, I'm mainly a duck hunter, but I was confused by the wording in the Texas parks and wildlife digest and I figured my peers in the Upland Bird Hunting forum could shoot me straight.
Thanks!
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: BirdDog3TC]
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01/29/09 07:56 AM
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coolie
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Yes you can shoot pen raises birds on your property out of season. It is a good idea to get and keep a receipt from whom you buy the birds from with you just in case. If you buy them, you can shoot them.
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: coolie]
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01/29/09 09:29 AM
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scruboak
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I used to raise birds just for what you are talking about. I gave it up when they put all the tracking regulations on it. I would buy a year round hunting permit to cover the ones that got away just my opinion. If you do not kill every one that you buy then you are introducing a new species which I will tell you in most cases is not a good idea.
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: scruboak]
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01/29/09 09:33 AM
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MaggieMTx
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This is just me but instead of raising them/buying them & turning them loose & shooting...just pop their necks & cook them up. But then again this is just me.
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: MaggieMTx]
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01/29/09 10:22 AM
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cbump
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Might as well just go buy chicken at the store if you are gonna do that...
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: cbump]
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01/29/09 06:23 PM
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Bud1Pointer
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TP&W says you can keep up to 10 birds w/o a permit. If you raise them you have to have a Breeders permit. If you release them to Hunt or Train dogs you need to get a permit for that area. If you permit an area you can hunt them year round.
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: Bud1Pointer]
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01/29/09 08:06 PM
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CCBIRDDOGMAN
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TP&W says you can keep up to 10 birds w/o a permit. If you raise them you have to have a Breeders permit. If you release them to Hunt or Train dogs you need to get a permit for that area. If you permit an area you can hunt them year round.
This is correct. You can hunt/kill them out of season with a permit ONLY!
Haven't had it in years but never spit any out. I am a sucker for happy endings and strapped cowboys.
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: CCBIRDDOGMAN]
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01/29/09 08:32 PM
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kyotee1
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Quote:
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TP&W says you can keep up to 10 birds w/o a permit. If you raise them you have to have a Breeders permit. If you release them to Hunt or Train dogs you need to get a permit for that area. If you permit an area you can hunt them year round.
This is correct. You can hunt/kill them out of season with a permit ONLY!
You must have a Private Bird Hunting Area Permit and it is $80 and must be renewed each August 31.
Once you release birds on any property, they become part of the state population.
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: MaggieMTx]
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01/29/09 09:22 PM
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GunTotinDemocrat
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I like your style, Maggie.  And quail eat way better than chicken.
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: GunTotinDemocrat]
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01/30/09 03:18 AM
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Matagorda Mud Pig
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the ones i hunted sure flush different...our dogs kept catching the quail...how many wild quail have your dogs caught?
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: Matagorda Mud Pig]
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01/30/09 04:34 AM
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Don't the birds need some sort of tag though?
They can catch a lot if you don't train them to not attack from what I learned on a pheasant hunt. I am going on a pen quail hunt in a couple weeks. Free of course. We'll see how the dogs do. I think we are all shooting .410 or 28 gauges. No 12's allowed and 20's are frowned upon I hear. Should be a fun skeet shoot. There are wild quail there but not much left. Much more fun than ringing the neck of a chicken if that is your thing.
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: BirdDog3TC]
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02/01/09 04:03 AM
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I know you can't tell the difference between flushing a pen raised bird versus flushing a wild bird,...
Some may disagree - but I can.
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: Couzin]
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02/01/09 06:16 AM
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Matagorda Mud Pig
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yea, like when they don't get over head high...ever. When they just physically don't flush. you have to walk up and kick the bush to make them fly...
don't have to do that with wild quail.
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: Matagorda Mud Pig]
#577667
02/01/09 06:24 AM
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Cool_Hand
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You got it man!! There is a decisive difference between the two.
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: Cool_Hand]
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02/26/09 08:33 AM
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redonthehead
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How many times has a bird dog caught a wild bird?
Your words and how you use them will expose your character
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: redonthehead]
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03/02/09 05:51 AM
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The crappinator
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I just hunted with pen raised birds today and yesterday and whenever the bird flew close to the dog he would grab it.
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: The crappinator]
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03/02/09 10:12 PM
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I buy pen raised quail from B&W Quail Farm in Milburn, Oklahoma. He has a large covered area so his birds are "flight conditioned" and do fly more like wild birds.
In my experience bird dogs catching "wild" birds is very rare. My first bird dog did it one time, so far that has been it for my dogs that I am aware of.
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: Txduckman]
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03/13/09 05:27 PM
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: kyotee1]
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03/13/09 09:25 PM
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During my first (and last) pen-raised quail "pursuit", the birds were "hiding" under single mesquite bushes (very visible). The dogs were well trained, and circled the bush till the quail flushed. I quit for the day when one of the birds took flight, and was so disoriented it crashed into the tailgate of a nearby pickup.
It would be laughable to call it hunting.
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: GSS]
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03/13/09 09:32 PM
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Txduckman
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I guess it depends on how the birds are raised and released. I went on my first this year and when they were released from the house they flew several hundred yards away and didn't find half of them from each house. They were raised in a giant flight pen and had great cover in the field. When pointing them we could never see them in the cover. I have shot more on a wild hunt than this released hunt. I was using a side by side 28 gauge so it wasn't a turkey shoot for me and rather have a 20 ga. auto.
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: redonthehead]
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03/14/09 05:48 PM
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Bud1Pointer
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How many times has a bird dog caught a wild bird?
I've seen it happen 3 times in over 20 years of hunting, We have had 2 wild bobwhites and one pheasant caught by dogs and we definitely were not hunting released birds. I have also been fortunate to see an Orange Blue Quail(a friend of mine has it mounted) 2 Albino Bobs and several Blue X Bob crosses.(I hunted several years thinking their existance was fiction). Point being if you hunt long enough and hard enough and in the right places you still won't see it all but you will see a lot.
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: Bud1Pointer]
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03/15/09 06:55 AM
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How many times has a bird dog caught a wild bird?
I've seen it happen 3 times in over 20 years of hunting, We have had 2 wild bobwhites and one pheasant caught by dogs and we definitely were not hunting released birds. I have also been fortunate to see an Orange Blue Quail(a friend of mine has it mounted) 2 Albino Bobs and several Blue X Bob crosses.(I hunted several years thinking their existance was fiction). Point being if you hunt long enough and hard enough and in the right places you still won't see it all but you will see a lot.
Interestin, i have quite often wondered if blues and bobs cross breed. Where I am at we probably have 8 or 9 coveys of blues for every one covey of bobs. Bule coveys get rather large and bob coveys of they are big might have 2 birds.
What I have seen is in some bob coveys they run quite a way and look almost like blues when they are running. They tend to be slightly bigger too.
I don't recall seeing any blues that looked or acted like bobs though. Thanks for the info. 
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Re: Pen raised question
[Re: deerfeeder]
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03/15/09 04:43 PM
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Bud1Pointer
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We have shot crosses around Andrews and North of Big Springs, Most had the top nots like the Blues and facial markings like Bobs, after that they have had several variations of blue and bob colorations in the feathers. They all ran like Blues though.
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