Huge Difference ....in taking care of people then taking advantage of people.

X100 it's cheaper for me to lease then hunt my own ranch, and on top of that every trip is a tax deduction

Yep. Sure is. And in the illustrated situation the LO did in fact care about being ripped off. Typically they do.

My daddy used to tell me and my brother "If a man tells you it ain't about the money - it's about the money every time". I have found this to be very true. If folks are concerned about the money, they'll never bring it up.

You've got to pay to play.

I pay 4500 a year for our place. We have been lucky as we have not been increased for 8 years until this year.

It's all in what you value in life. I gladly pay $375 a month to have year round access to 9000 acres that I have the freedom to visit year round with family and friends. Do you have any idea what it would cost to own and upkeep 9000 acres?

We have fantastic hunting, but I look at the harvest of animals as the icing on the cake. I'd pay what I pay just to have a beautiful piece of property that I can use like my own with family and friends teeming with wildlife and far away from the metromess.

Sounds to me that this "ranch manager" was taking from all sides and lining his pockets. Big difference between going golfing and eating dinner with people and double and triple dipping so you can line your own pocket

Agreed. But, it was a pretty good op to tweak u.

And, point out that people richern 4' up a boars azz actually do in fact not like getting ripped off. Contrary to your silly self serving opinion.

This is a little 18 acre LF place I have about 2 miles from Bandera. A person could take WT and Axis enough for probably 4 people of it. If I wanted to lease it and charged say $3000 people would scream bloody murder. But if you look at what people pay for larger tracks and have very few deer plus no exotics it is actually pretty reasonable. leases for deer are like buying what you can afford. Some drive BMW and some Fords. The free market will take care of everything if you just give it time.

You disapeared for a spell and I haven't been on as much as usual....did see that you found my poke at you the other day though

Sometimes there is a fine line between getting ripped off and a good business decision

When you decide to lease something you are in the drivers seat. You are the one either shelling out the cash or writing the check. If you think it is too much money then walk away. Nothing in this world is too expensive for everyone. Lease prices are what they are because the free market has made them what they are. If they are too high then there will not be a market for them sand the price will go down. If there are more people looking for them than are available then the price will go up. Live with it. Unless Obama gets involved with deer leases and thinks everyone should have a lease the same as health care it won't change.

Whew...and dang! I sure hope the O never gets involved in our hunting habits.

You never know. He is getting involved with way more now than he should.

Wow, sounds like his "ranch manager" might have been accepting golf games and steak dinners from his "friend" the "lease manager". Funny how the ranch owner who doesn't "need the money" was pissed that his "ranch manger" was accepting bribes....

This all sounds so.... familiar. [/quote]

Sounds to me that this "ranch manager" was taking from all sides and lining his pockets. Big difference between going golfing and eating dinner with people and double and triple dipping so you can line your own pocket [/quote]

Agreed. But, it was a pretty good op to tweak u.

And, point out that people richern 4' up a boars azz actually do in fact not like getting ripped off. Contrary to your silly self serving opinion. [/quote]

You disapeared for a spell and I haven't been on as much as usual....did see that you found my poke at you the other day though

Sometimes there is a fine line between getting ripped off and a good business decision [/quote]

Difference usually depends on Ripper and Rippee. Morals change according to stories. Just like judging alcohol consumption.

Agreed. Pretty obvious to me that when you openly admit to serving up free steaks and golf to the ranch manager, who in turn hides higher lease offers from the landowner, you are in fact at least, a co-Ripper.

While the LO is the sole Rippee.

Yep, pretty obvious from my perspective.

You guys are beginning to get worried about my ranch manager. I may need to check on him a bit more. Especially since I see his truck parked at my house pretty often!

Seems like stuff around here has shot up insanely. Had a line on an elk ranch with landowner tags and was later to find out the landowner wanted $17K. Duck hunting leases have been going up something fierce also. My main property, which is 680 acres of property on which water is not at all guaranteed, went up 20% this year. Duck hunting was marginal last year but there was an early freeze. Picked up some river bottom which went for $8K (would have been 3K 2 years ago). A few outfitters have been running through here offering double what other people are paying for lease prices. The "little guy" doesn't have a chance.

Cash E Hogsett
https://birdsandbucksoutdoors.com/colorado-goose-hunting/colorado-duck-hunting/

I won't say any names, but I know a fella (ranch manager) that handles 15+ ranches all around the Hill Country. This guy makes a real good living @ $12K to $40K per ranch and also gets to choose one for his own use. Good guy that supplies all the equipment and even yearly feed for a few of the ranches. Better believe these ranches aren't $2K a gun

Yep. Mine is sleeping with my wife!!

So you gona lease it??

I don't want to offend anyone but no. I don't need the headaches of leasing.

Maybe you could just let me come shoot a couple of axis doe for the meat then.

I wonder with oil situation if more land will open back up? If I was making a bunch of money on oil I wouldn't want to deal with hunters either.

I've never seen a perfect situation for a lease, it is usually just finding best of the worst.

Can't hardly blame her - he's a very charming fellow

lol oh I hear you on that... I couldn't imagine leasing property... but I bet you could do it quick at that price even..

Oh, if only it was that simple...but we both know it isn't.

Random phone call with an offer from someone you have never met for $10k more than the current lease, sight unseen versus a group that has been around for over 20 years, has taken care of the place, helped with ranch work, been good stewards of the land, knows the owners personally, etc....yep, sounds just like the OP to me.

Plus, big difference between a lease manager and a ranch manager that has a monetary stake in the profit of the overall ranch....but why get into the minor details. For some, it is only about the money and relationships and trust have nothing to do with it