Grisham Oregon......google is your friend.

I guess I dont get my apology.....CDoan???????

Awesome! Let us have rational debate. Of course I know about William Coleman III of Gresham, OR. (not Grisham... I think that's an author)

I read plenty of different news sites, including quite a few gun sites, and will admit I'm quite biased. I definitely favor more individual liberties for American citizens, including gun rights. Even if I was a liberal gun hater, I'd recognize this story, as it was a beating drum for all the liberal gun haters, and splashed across every news outlet across America. Being the one incident that proves open carry is BAAAaaAaaaaaad. (That was a sheep reference... But I digress.)

Being the typical Asian I am, I researched... I have to admit, I originally read this when it happened, as it was on thetruthaboutguns.com... Which is admittedly biased in favor of firearms rights! But I recognize they are biased, and fact check them, as much as I do liberal sites. Anyhow, what I found was this:

Mr. William Coleman III purchased a new pistol, and strapped it to his hip. Then he went on a walkabout in the neighborhood, with his cousin. While kicking it on the street, near 172nd and Glisan, a tall fellow came up, and asked for a cigarette. Mr. Coleman gave him one. The tall fellow then commented on the gun on Mr. Coleman's hip, pulled his own firearm, and demanded Mr. Coleman's firearm. Tall fellow then fled.

So, you, liberal rags, gun haters, open carry haters, and those whose opinions differ from mine point to this incident and say, SEE! Just like I said. I told you that if people open carried, then the criminals will just target them and steal their guns. If this guy had not been open carrying, then he would never have been robbed. BLOOD IN THE STREETS.

As for me, I simply see it differently. This man was targeted for robbery, not because he was open carrying, but because he was standing with his cousin near the corner of 172nd and Glisan in Gresham, OR at 2:00AM. If you care to check, that city has an extremely high crime rate, including roughly 2 1/2 times more ROBBERIES than the U.S. average. They also like to rape, burglarize homes, steal cars, etc. more than the average bear. You can see, here:

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/or/gresham/crime/

I believe it to be inaccurate to say open carry led to Mr. Coleman being robbed, and would instead say that being out on the street in a bad neighborhood of Portland at 2:00am led to him being robbed.

Another thing... Mr. Coleman's open carry piece wasn't even loaded. The county that he was in doesn't allow an open carry handgun to be loaded. You can't even have a loaded mag in your pocket without a CHL in that county. So, don't open carry if you can't have it loaded. Makes carrying a weapon pointless.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/10...d-required-law/

There is also that one Milwaukee incident... Which we can discuss if we like. Those are the only 2 I know of, and I was prepared to discuss either one. If there is another you know about, I'd be happy to discuss it with you as well... Although I understand nothing I say will change your opinion, I still felt like writing it. So thank you for the opportunity!


44 states enacting open carry over a period of how many years? I'm confident things ain't gonna get bloody here.

I guess I dont get my apology.....CDoan???????

Well, you kind of came off as the all-knowing, never wrong Concho that we know and love and called him a fool right off the bat when a simple, "here is a case where it happened, please feel free to read this link," but I guess it's easier to call someone a fool and then expect an apology from your thrown in Concho Castle.

I haven't read the previous posts, but I won't be carrying "open". However, I support the bill because I worry about being busted by an LEO because they can see my weapon, somehow, in my vehicle. I think LEOS on here have said that they will walk around a vehicle from all angles to see if they can spot a handgun.

Duck, my confrontation with CDoan goes back a while......my apologizes if you were offended.

what does Asian have to do with the discussion......

Duck, my confrontation with CDoan goes back a while......my apologizes if you were offended.

Yes. Other than those 2 incidents that come up over pages and pages of Google, I've found many more incidents of people being robbed of their conceal carry. Some might say that means open carrying DECREASES the chance of being robbed, I won't. I'll just say that standing on the street in a high crime area known for armed robberies at 2am with an unloaded gun on your hip increases your chance of being robbed.

I won't Open Carry my pistol but i will have less concerns about printing or accidently showing it from under concealment. Open Carry will get yourself attention and i am a fairly shy person...

If it does become legal, I will not purposely open carry just like I will not openly carry a dead deer across my hood going down the highway. If it's accidentally seen, okay, no problem. Antagonizing people with things that might be offensive will not help the cause for your children and grandchildren. It might be legal but there are those with little man syndrome that feel the need to make us all look bad.

Comfort, easily accessible. A possible deterrent.

If it does become legal, I will not purposely open carry just like I will not openly carry a dead deer across my hood going down the highway. If it's accidentally seen, okay, no problem. Antagonizing people with things that might be offensive will not help the cause for your children and grandchildren. It might be legal but there are those with little man syndrome that feel the need to make us all look bad.

Why do Police Officers wear uniforms?

I'd conceal most of the time but the option is nice.

I already have. That's why I'm 100% confident you will fail to find any facts that support your opinion. My opinion, however, has 44 states with open carry history to support it.

Do you need me to look up the definition of fool for you?

I thought accidental display and or printing was already not a violation. Wasn't that cleared up a year or two ago with an amendment?

I already said that, yet no one wants to acknowledge that. Good luck with them acknowledging you, lol.

I'll acknowledge that I've noticed that phenomenon, too. Make a point of fact and everyone keeps arguing something that is false or not part of the issue.