You sure you're hitting what you're aiming at, or something else 12 inches to the left? Gosh...I hope it is the same species as what you meant to hit.

The scope and the company are a joke to me (and most others). I am doing a static battery life test because, at this point, I have no reason to believe it will be good for anything but severely limited use. ATN had a chance to prove me wrong TOMORROW, and they slipped YET AGAIN. Ten bucks says they miss next week's deadline too.

My scope works fine with the .200 firmware.
I group 1" at 100 yards with my PCP and 20 practical rifles.
I've switched rifles, reset the x-y coordinates and it's been on par with holding zero as when I switch other scopes.
I can only zoom to 3x, but it still hits where I put the crosshairs.
Albeit, it's in the bottom Rt corner of the screen.
So I use it at 1x most of the time and am ok with that.
With the T20 IR I can see out past 200 yards at night easily and 100 yard shots are no problem.
I haven't tested in in the heat, but it's worked fine in 0 to -10 degree conditions.
The scope is no joke, it's just in need of improvement.
If you don't like your X scope, why don't you return it and save yourself some grief ?
I'm looking to buy an updated 3x, so maybe we can come to a deal if you can't return yours ?

Listen to these words:

It IS

a joke

TO ME.

I am not telling anyone what to do with their "scopes." What I HAVE done is share my opinion of it. If it improves next week (ten bucks says it doesn't), I will share THAT. If it doesn't, I will share THAT. I am skeptical.

You know how some people pay good money to see a bad movie, and when they are walking out of the cinema, you hear them saying things like "Well...it wasn't TERRIBLE..." because they, deep down, know they just blew $20? I believe we have people doing that sort of thing with the X-SiGHT, except instead of defending $20, they are defending $500-$700. If we were all repeating the mantra "Everything will be fine. Everything will be fine..." the company would have ZERO drive to repair these things. If the threat of mass returns, or a forced recall by the CPSC, weren't looming, you'd be left blowing in the wind, forever repeating "Well...the X-SiGHT isn't TERRIBLE..."

Maybe you should consider thanking the people who have the cojones to fight with this company to make your "scope" better...Scott Country being one of them. They have done more than any US citizen or distributor has to hold ATN accountable, including stressing the importance of release deadlines, and even reportedly a threat to drop their products if ATN falters in their commitment to finish a product that should've worked like the box they pack it in says it does.

Maybe Im crazy, but I want one! Im on the fence between the 3x and 5x. Is it the same firmware for both models?

Well... The x-sight isn't terrible.

Put it this way... I chocked it up to a loss. right now with firmware 288 it is unusable at night I was ok with is at 200 at least I could hunt with it. I was excited to here they fixed the record/cross hair feature. Im done hunting until next season hopefully by then it will all be fixed if not I have lost out on $750. Its fishing season now.. I heard about this reel that has built in wifi connects to your smart phone built in ballistics compensation and a slew of other features I just need to Pre-order it they say it will be out by fishing season...

Fool me once shame on you.. Fool me twice shame on me. Fool me 67 times damn ATN...

Dont forget, that reel has a built in fishfinder with side scan. It also put the bait on the hook too. Lol

I can understand your point of view, and you are entitled to have it, and probably justified too. What I don't understand, is why every third message in these X-sight threads is a post by you ranting about how screwed up ATN is. We get it already. We all have an x-sight, and we all know what's up with it, and we're trying to share useful information with each other. And so sorry, sitting on your butt typing screeds into forum threads does not constitute "cojones", and since by now ATN (and most everyone else) are mostly ignoring the rants, I don't think you're really accomplishing anything larger than annoying a lot of us, and souring ATN from participating here.

Sorry to put it plain, but there it is.

Ow! Right in the feelings! And from the self-proclaimed mouthpiece of the forum too!

I was the first to evaluate a manual focus 3x. You're welcome?

I was the first to perform a timed battery test on said unit. You're welcome?

I personally identified the Butler Creek cap size for the sunshade for said unit (ATN wouldn't/ couldn't). You're welcome.

You have no basis for any of those comments, great Speaker Of The Board. I have been in contact with ATN customer service via email, and other owners have doubtlessly benefitted. I find it unnecessary to detail further. Have you contacted them with your concerns? Have you contacted your distributor with your concerns, and demanded they participate in the resolution? I don't know...that's why I am asking.

Also, I made you this, O' Great Speaker:

http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbth...00_#Post5609985

I am out. No longer participating in helping the helpless. If I were you guys, I'd keep my fingers crossed that Scott Country, cyberpyrot, and Eric keep fighting for you. No one else will.

You keep doing what your doing S6275, don't let anyone silence you. This is a free country and if no one says anything, say good by to updated firmware. Some folks are happy with what they have, Im not. I am trying to lay low till I see the next update then I shall express my feelings. Bottom line is we all want what you promise ATN. If you bought a car and saw it has cruse control when you bought it, I promise you when you drive the car and the cruse does not work, most if not all folks would be going back to the dealer to get it right. Even thought you can still drive the car fine. Same with this scope. We all have been patient, But if no one has been responding about this scope for the past month do you really think there would be anymore updates??

Guys and Girls(if anyone here welcome) Some info......

ATN and for that Techeyes(where i placed the ordered in march 24
last year), took my money instantly for the 5x, been waiting and
waiting and in december when the scope started to ship, ATN suddenly
decided NOT to ship to Sweden, 9 months after they took my money,
and the wierd thing is it's available at ATN's distributor here in Sweden.
Lost my money for the first one ordered and i had to buy another one
here for double the price.
ATN is not the most serious company in my eyes,
but that's just my opinion.

Regards
MKL

MLK are you saygin TECH EYES did NOT refund your money?

It's more complicated that that, just that ATN
after 9 months decided not to ship here.
I've should have been informed at once,
and thats how it is atm.
Techeyes is not to blame.

Well Scott country told me the firmware would be today while at shooting show....
Here's to the 22nd which is another date they told another customer.. Then we all wait till next week.

When ever it is it better fix this to have all the advertised functions..

On behalf of all the other X sight owners that don't know how to read a caliper, Thank you for measuring the obj of the x sight.
Thanks for testing the newer 3x model and doing the battery test too.
Since your the only x sight owner with a working phone, thanks for calling them and relaying what all the hundreds or thousands of other phoneless X sight owners issues are.
We are in your debt.
Before you leave us, we'd like to know the outcome of your field evaluations with your X sight ?
What rifle + caliber used ?
The field conditions when hunting or shooting with it ?
The IR light you recommend ?

No...thank YOU for hooking one up to your pellet gun. How's it swinging all that recoil? It must be quality.

Listen to these words:

I

am not

mounting it

until it works on something other than a toy gun (I have a .308...you asked)

Not field testing it. Not selling it to you. Not mounting it. No reason to pin down an illuminator unless they get this thing running. And almost forgot...not sharing anything else here.

Before I figured it out, did you know which cover the 3x took? If so, why didn't you share it?

My static battery test isn't over, but I will share my results with people who will appreciate it. If you're out there, and interested in those results, PM me I guess. This has, today, become a place where you are the expert if you have "field tested" the X-SiGHT while attached to a 100-yard, basically recoil-less "air rifle." Whatever.

As above, It's not going to be today or Sunday but by the 27th apparently.
I'd rather they made sure this one was 100% right but took longer than offload another 'beta' on the world.

Like Shots100, I've been testing my 3-12x scope! Oh, and working, because you know... bills need paid and all that.

I have not yet had the opportunity to shoot with it yet. The weather here in the bullseye of the continent has not been in any way conducive to shooting, and it's going to be a while before I can mount it up and try it out. My setup is going to be a bit odd/awkward, and I need a pretty tall cheek riser to make it work with my intended setup (M1 Carbine, Chaote 5-Position AR-style Stock, with a 7" cantilever see-through rail mounted to an Ultimak M6-B scout rail. Hard to explain, i'll post a pic once it's mounted & sighted in.)

I should also make this statement, for anyone considering buying an X-Sight: CHECK WITH YOUR LOCAL CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT OR HUNTING AUTHORITY BEFORE BUYING THIS SCOPE!
Here in Missouri, it is illegal to "Spotlight" hunt for game, after sundown. They have statutorily classified the use of both Passive and Active Night Vision devices as Spotlighting. Before I purchased this scope, I checked with the MO Dept of Conservation, which administrates this area of MO law, and received in writing that as long as I am not actively Hunting (IE: for use of pest control in defense of property or livestock, or other recreational use) it is legal to use this new scope. However, I had to dig, and even in reading the law itself, the classification of this scope was not clear at all. Laws have not caught up with this type of technology yet, so be sure you know the law, before you hunt!

All that said... Here is what I have to report, so far.

What it came with:
- Scope (Manual Focus model)
- Carry Case (Padded nylon w/ shoulder strap)
- IR Illuminator
- Metal Sunshade
- Nylon Sunshade+IR Illum pouch
- Manual

What it did not come with.
- AA batteries
- CR123A batteries
- SD Card

You will need to pick these up separately. Luckily, I had them ready to go, or readily acquired.

Mine happens to be a Red-Button model.

Construction: All aluminum, including the sunshade, Illuminator body, and battery cap. The only plastic on this entire thing, is the buttons, and the focus ring for the Illuminator. Rubber eye cup. Very sturdy, it's built like a tank. Heavy like one too, as others have said. I'm pretty sure I could beat someone to death with it.

It came with the .173 firmware. Button/function tests all checked out with this firmware. I did not play with it much.

I formatted a 32GB microSD card in FAT32, loaded the .228 .bin file on it.

The manual is extremely vague and lacking detail. As a tech support professional, I can say this was written by someone NOT in tech support. The instructions are not nearly detailed enough for the "common man". Luckily, they included a separate Firmware Update insert that gives good instructions on the update process. It worked first time through, once I actually RTFM'd, and did what it said (powercycled the scope via battery cap, once the update display settled on 100% complete.)

One thing it did NOT tell you to do though, and you MUST do this, is remove the SD card after the update, and delete the .BIN on it. Otherwise it'll keep trying to update on bootup.

I then decided to do something I did NOT see anyone else do yet. I connected the scope to my PC using a USB cable. This worked fine, and the PC recognized the scope when choosing "Mass Storage Device" in windows. It shows up like any other SD card storage, and you can browse the card with it still inserted into the scope.
NOTE: Once the PC and Scope are connected via USB, the scope's display will turn Blue, and tell you that USB is connected. You CANNOT use the scope, while connected to a PC using USB.

I would like to request ATN find a way to alter this in a later firmware version, so that it can.

Once .228 was installed, I went to work testing the scope around the house.
Now, how did the scope itself work?

1. Image quality is fantastic. Focus works exactly like it should. Images are very crisp and clear. Display is VERY bright, I run it on the lowest setting. You will have to adjust as you shift ranges to target. I noticed that if you shift your range more than about 10 ft nearer or further, you will need to adjust focus. I don't see anything wrong with this, it seems normal to me. Focusing manually works fine, between ALL magnification ranges.

There are only 2 Resolution settings for the main sensor. 1080p @ 30 FPS, and 720p @ 60 FPS. They do NOT have the same Field of View. The 720p setting appears to be "Zoomed In" at about 2x, on the scope's display, even though it reads as 1.0x on the Digital Zoom. It is a significantly smoother picture during motion. Just be aware that FoV or "equivalent Zoom" DOES change if you change the Resolution of the image capture. It's basically like putting a doubler lens on the scope.

Another thing to be aware of... During fast movements, you will notice that the image will "Lean" left or right, as if the bottom of the image is being dragged behind the top. This is most noticeable in 1080p resolution. At 720p, it mostly disappears, for any practical movement. If you intend to track faster-moving targets, you may prefer the 720p settings, but for more static precision work, you'll do better with 1080p.


2. Digital zoom works as expected. "Normal" digital zoom gives you 1.0x - 4.0X Digital zoom. Changing this to the "Extended" option gives you 1.0x - 10.0x (which translates to 3x - 30x). This zoom works quite smoothly, and gives you a very clear graphic as you zoom in and out, which represents your field of view narrowing and widening. It's easy to tell where you are, as you zoom.


3. Digital compass worked immediately, and correctly. I turned it off after a bit, but it seemed to work just fine in my limited test.


4. PASSIVE NIGHT VISION - This is my assessment, after testing at varying levels of ambient light (or lack thereof). If you have very good natural night vision (I happen to have excellent night vision, myself), you will find that this scope, by itself, on full "light amplification" setting, offers about the same vision as your natural eyes at night. In other words, it's not going to let you see more than you normally would. This MIGHT change with firmware changes, because I think the image processing firmware could do much better than it currently does. As it stands on .228 -right now-, What it DOES let you do, is digital zoom in and out, from 3x to 30x, and this does allow you to check out things at greater ranges...even though they're dim. It also seems to maintain this ability even at Dawn/Dusk, when ambient light starts to increase, but not enough to use pure daylight. I think those time periods will be this scope's advantage over IIT night vision.


5. ACTIVE NIGHT VISION - Using the IR Illuminator worked very well. I don't yet have an estimate of it's useful range beyond about 30 ft - I've not been able to go outside with it yet, due to work and weather. Since my house has Low-E windows, those windows act like IR Mirrors in Night Mode. You won't be using the IR Illuminator through a window. I don't know why you would do this on a scope with a firearm... but if you do, remember this. Day mode works fine through windows, so long as your IR Illuminator is off. Flicker in Night Mode is still present when setting "Light Amplification" to the "Low" setting. At "Medium" and "High" this flicker disappears.

I'll report more on Night Vision capabilities when the weather around here improves.


6. BATTERY LIFE - I decided to use a set of play Duracell alkaline batteries in my scope first. I figured once they run down, I'll switch to Lithiums. I'm currently sitting on day 3 of playing with the scope (1-3 hours per day of messing with it, as well as powering up and down), and I have yet to use up this first set of Alkaline batteries. I have left the batteries in it since they were installed. There is no battery drain problem with my scope, it seems... much to my relief.

I have kept Wifi, GPS, and Compass turned OFF. I will not be testing these until I am ready to switch to the Lithium batteries. I want to have an idea of how well Alkaline works just using it as a scope, in "field condition".

Another thing, the Lithium batteries are not only better at supplying a steady voltage to the scope throughout their discharge cycle, but they are also noticeably lighter in weight than Alkaline. This will be an added benefit if you use them in this scope, It's already pretty darn heavy, so every little bit helps.


7. MOUNTS AND ALIGNMENT - As far as I can tell, my scope's mount is straight. I tested this with a long straight edge, and it appears to be centered like it's supposed to be. I'll test this further once it's mounted "live" on the rifle.

Now, I DID notice that my IR Illuminator's mount was significantly crooked, causing it to point downward about 1.5º, when mounted on the scope's sight rail. No bueno. There are 2 Phillips screws that secure the Illuminator to the picatinny mount clamp. I took these out, they appear secured by some kind of red loctite substance (I thought it was rust at first), but not enough to prevent removal. Once I removed the mount, I re-mounted it securely against the lip of the mount, and tightened it down. It appears to be aligned properly now, and is within adjustment range of the windage/elevation screw adjustments on the IR Illuminator now.


8. I have NOT tested the interface functionality of HDMI, nor Wifi, and I have not used the smartphone apps with the scope yet. I intend to set up my Asus Windows 8 tablet with BlueStacks android emulator, which I have already confirmed on my PC -CAN- install and run the ATN Obsidian android app. I would have done that tonight before my report, but the tablet's drained and must recharge. I'll let you know how it works out in a couple of days, when I'm done working like a dog.


OVERALL IMPRESSION - So far, I think this scope is fantastic hardware. None of the minor quirks or "hmm, how's this doohicky work" moments seemed in any way insurmountable, and actually were resolved quite quickly. I am cautiously optimistic about the upcoming (albiet later-than-we-would-all-like) firmware update, and look forward to future improvements.

Wait...are you playing with it, or "testing" it? Shoots100 says mount it on a pellet gun and share how it handles the recoil...otherwise you're just blowing smoke. He also says you need to sell him your 3x. He will name the price. Trust him.

If you want to go out and lay in the ice, and shoot in the foggy sleet... be my guest. I'm not that desperate to prove myself to you. Troll someone else.