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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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For smaller calibers, I like the .25-.06 and 7MM-08. Have them both and like them alot.
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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I would not consider either one of them a "all around caliber". But of those two I would take the 243 all day every day.
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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Of those two, 243.
I have each. agreed of those two. If its an open discussion, best all around considering every aspect, hard to not say 308 +1
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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This is in no way the best all around caliber IMO. It's overkill for pretty much every animal in Texas. Unless, of course, you're just a horrible shot. In regards to the OP, my wife's grandad used to hunt elk with a .243 for 20+ years in Colorado. And it did the job just fine as long as the shots weren't over 200 yards or so. Great caliber for Texas. But my vote goes to the .270.
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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I love both. Most people would be more comfortable with The 243, but I am extremely confident in my 22-250 with the right people behind it. It's the shooter, not necessarily the gun. Meaning shot placement. Not gonna turn this thread into that, unless someone else does lolol, but whatever.
Go with 243. 22-250 leaves very little margin for error, because unless you have a good bullet that blows away heart/lung/liver or center of neck, you may not have your kill. Also, 243 has both "deer bullets" and "varmint bullets" whereas the 22-250 mostly only has the latter, with a few of the former.
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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This is in no way the best all around caliber IMO. It's overkill for pretty much every animal in Texas. Unless, of course, you're just a horrible shot. In regards to the OP, my wife's grandad used to hunt elk with a .243 for 20+ years in Colorado. And it did the job just fine as long as the shots weren't over 200 yards or so. Great caliber for Texas. But my vote goes to the .270. .30 caliber bullet weights from 150 -220 and you can download it for Texas or upload it and go after moose, grizzly, brown bear, take it to Africa, or shoot it at very long distances. It is an extremely versatile round.
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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Of those two, 243.
I have each. agreed of those two. If its an open discussion, best all around considering every aspect, hard to not say 308 X2, based on ammo availability. Can run heavier bullets if you'd like. Sufficient out to 300-400 yds which is more than enough
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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The best all-around caliber/cartridge is not open to argument. It is actually, factually the .30-06.
Based on ammo sales and reloading component popularity, the old Springfield is still the leader (although I understand that the .223 is gaining ground).
So if you desire the "best all-around", you will want a .30-06. But if you are firmly set on either the .243 or .22-250, I would go with the .243, but with the understanding that it has significant limitations, especially when you hunt outside Texas.
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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Best "all around" caliber for Texas: .270 Win. Best "all around" caliber for North America? .300 Win Mag Best "all around" caliber for Africa (plains and dangerous game)? Trick question-because you're gonna need two. My two would be .300 Win Mag and .416 Rem. Because we're talking "all around", if you're going to err, you should err on the heavier side.... YMMV 
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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.243, without a doubt, when you see that deer at 568 yards, at 3 minutes before legal shooting time, and you know it's not a 4 point, you need to be like the rest of us and be able to drop it in its tracks. Yes to the .243.
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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I like your choices except Africa. Since you are backed up by a PH with a heavy gun when hunting dangerous game, I'd say .375 H&H is a good "all around" caliber.
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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I like your choices except Africa. Since you are backed up by a PH with a heavy gun when hunting dangerous game, I'd say .375 H&H is a good "all around" caliber. I agree. But since I had to include elephant in my mind I bumped it up to .416. I actually have a .416 Rem and am anxious to shoot it to see how it compares recoil-wise to the .375. (I will never hunt elephant but may hunt Cape buffalo someday...)
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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.243, without a doubt, when you see that deer at 568 yards, at 3 minutes before legal shooting time, and you know it's not a 4 point, you need to be like the rest of us and be able to drop it in its tracks. Yes to the .243. How many foot-pounds of energy does a .243 bullet have at 568 yards? I get 850 at 500 with a 100 grain bullet. Probably means something on the order of 725-750 at 568 yards. Not much energy left for a deer "dropping in its tracks." The .243 is not a long range mid-sized game cartridge. It is a shorter/mid ranged deer cartridge and an any-range varmint round.
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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.243, without a doubt, when you see that deer at 568 yards, at 3 minutes before legal shooting time, and you know it's not a 4 point, you need to be like the rest of us and be able to drop it in its tracks. Yes to the .243. How many foot-pounds of energy does a .243 bullet have at 568 yards? I get 850 at 500 with a 100 grain bullet. Probably means something on the order of 725-750 at 568 yards. Not much energy left for a deer "dropping in its tracks." The .243 is not a long range mid-sized game cartridge. It is a shorter/mid ranged deer cartridge and an any-range varmint round. A little under 1100ft lb at sea level.
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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Would depend on how hot you load it. I used to load them like a fire breathing dragon.
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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Best "all around" caliber for Texas: .270 Win. Best "all around" caliber for North America? .300 Win Mag Best "all around" caliber for Africa (plains and dangerous game)? Trick question-because you're gonna need two. My two would be .300 Win Mag and .416 Rem. Because we're talking "all around", if you're going to err, you should err on the heavier side.... YMMV This
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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I hunt with a bow. This year I shot 3 does with black powder. Thinking of buying a rifle to use for various game. Thinking .243 or .22-250. Any thoughts? Back to the original post. OP never mentioned long range or Africa, or elk, or moose, only does. And probably coyotes and hogs since should all kill coyotes and hogs ever opportunity. Yall have two tires in the ditch. Get it back on the road. 
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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I hunt with a bow. This year I shot 3 does with black powder. Thinking of buying a rifle to use for various game. Thinking .243 or .22-250. Any thoughts? Back to the original post. OP never mentioned long range or Africa, or elk, or moose, only does. And probably coyotes and hogs since should all kill coyotes and hogs ever opportunity. Yall have two tires in the ditch. Get it back on the road. While I personally wouldn't use 243 for deer hunting many will but it is a very versatile round. I love it for yotes.
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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.243, without a doubt, when you see that deer at 568 yards, at 3 minutes before legal shooting time, and you know it's not a 4 point, you need to be like the rest of us and be able to drop it in its tracks. Yes to the .243. How many foot-pounds of energy does a .243 bullet have at 568 yards? I get 850 at 500 with a 100 grain bullet. Probably means something on the order of 725-750 at 568 yards. Not much energy left for a deer "dropping in its tracks." The .243 is not a long range mid-sized game cartridge. It is a shorter/mid ranged deer cartridge and an any-range varmint round. A little under 1100ft lb at sea level. OK, I'm no expert. But I can google. I've googled 5 ballistics charts now and nothing is even close to that. Regardless, if one advocates a .243 as a deer hammer at distance, one is mistaken. Even 1100 ft lbs. ain't "hammering" anything.
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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731 ft/lbs @ 560 yards right now, Melissa, TX. DA 300', 87 gr VLD.
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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I've taken roughly 75 deer with a .243 with no issue , most less than 200 yards, a couple out at 300. No problem with turkeys, yotes. I have had big hogs run off on body shots. I only shoot them in the head now. I gave this gun to my son who uses it now. I shoot a .270 the last 10 years. I have been very pleased with it.
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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Re: Best all-around caliber?
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731 ft/lbs @ 560 yards right now, Melissa, TX. DA 300', 87 gr VLD. That's roughly a 357 magnum at the muzzle.
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