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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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01/14/15 09:17 PM
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Say that hunter you made up has a blind and feeder on the fence line and has been asked to move it back a bit and I have been told to FO. It will probably be a little harder for him the retrieve the deer than if he had moved the stand when asked. Now is that a double standard? It may be but that is the way I handle things. I still don't get how it is apparently OK to attempt to dictate how your neighbor operates on HIS side of the fence line. Flip the switch - say your neighbor just doesn't like the way you don't have a 30 yard wide bush hogged line on your side of the fence and asks you to start keeping your side of the fence up to his standards. How will you react to that? So if the placement of the feeder and stand would be where that if they shot toward their feeder it would be shooting toward your property that would be OK? if their stand is on the fence do you think they are more likely to shoot toward the fence or back towards the middle of their property? i would be more worried about a stand 150 yards away from the fence myself. That's the way I feel too, jshouse.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
[Re: redchevy]
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01/14/15 09:19 PM
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I would allow him to track the deer if he contacted me first before entering my property. He would have to be unarmed and I would have to accompany him and I would have the firearm if it's needed and I would do the shooting if needed.
If he entered my property without my permission I would press charges for trespassing and keep the deer. You would be in violation of the law for keeping a deer that one you didn't kill and two you didn't tag. Likewise you would be in trouble if you shot the deer then he tagged it and took it home. Yep, my point was just that because someone wounds a deer and it dies on your property, doesn't mean you get to keep it. You can let the hunter retrieve it or legally you have to leave it there.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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01/14/15 09:22 PM
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I would let him track his deer (while I am with him). I would also take the opportunity to visit with him about considering each of us respecting the other by keeping all stands and feeders at least 200-300 yards off our common fence lines. Don't you think that is a bit much to ask everyone not to have a feeder or stand within 300 yards of a fence line? Not everyone owns 1000 acres.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
[Re: redchevy]
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01/14/15 09:29 PM
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A true sportsman that is respectful of both the resource and his neighbors would be careful not to select stand sites where there is a good possibility of a deer becoming non-retrievable.
If you don't have permission to cross a fence to retrieve a deer, you're being disrespectful of the resource by hunting next to it.
If I don't have prior permission to cross a fence to retrieve a deer, I don't hunt next to it.
If you need to contact a landowner for this purpose, just go to the county tax office and ask a staff member to assist you. Do you have a binder you carry all these inane rules in so you can remember them? While im not gonna say I think they should be laws etc... they do kinda make sense don't they Nog? Somewhat I guess. Maybe. IDK. I don't have such issues. But even if I had a crappy neighbor I feel like I can hunt anywhere I want to on my own land. I am pretty low-profile though I don't think my neighbor would know where I was hunting, and I think I could get the deer I was after killed on my side of the fence 90+% of the time even if I shot him close to the fence.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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01/14/15 09:49 PM
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If my neighbor shoots a deer on their property and it makes it to my property, they can come and get it. I do want them to leave their weapons on their property so there is no misunderstanding of what is taking place. I don't live on my land so escort service is not a reasonable thing to expect to do. I have never had an issue with my neighbors but then again I've only met one of them once about 5 yrs ago. I asked if I could come on his land to retrieve a deer if need be, he said fine and I extended the same courtesy. The other neighbor is in his mid 80's and never gets out to his property anymore but he does lease grazing rights. I fix our common fence because I know he can't do it anymore even though I don't run cattle.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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01/14/15 10:17 PM
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What's with all the they have to leave their weapon on other side of the fence? You kidding me with hogs and yotes and fun stuff. If they're tracking for a deer they should have a weapon. What if it was a bad shot and still kicking when they get there? Stone it to death? No wonder our world is falling apart. No trust. I understand there are bad and untrusting people but unless they've given you reason to not trust I'd give them every bit of respect and let them do as I would want done unto me. I moved outta the city to enjoy the quiet and peacefulness. Everybody around me is nice as can be and I return the favor
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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01/14/15 10:27 PM
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What's with all the they have to leave their weapon on other side of the fence? You kidding me with hogs and yotes and fun stuff. If they're tracking for a deer they should have a weapon. What if it was a bad shot and still kicking when they get there? Stone it to death? No wonder our world is falling apart. No trust. I understand there are bad and untrusting people but unless they've given you reason to not trust I'd give them every bit of respect and let them do as I would want done unto me. I moved outta the city to enjoy the quiet and peacefulness. Everybody around me is nice as can be and I return the favor The world is not falling apart because of a lack of trust... the lack of trust is because of a bunch of POS people that are tearing the world apart.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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01/14/15 10:34 PM
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Do you have a binder you carry all these inane rules in so you can remember them? Common sense
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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01/14/15 10:45 PM
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What's with all the they have to leave their weapon on other side of the fence? You kidding me with hogs and yotes and fun stuff. If they're tracking for a deer they should have a weapon. What if it was a bad shot and still kicking when they get there? Stone it to death? No wonder our world is falling apart. No trust. I understand there are bad and untrusting people but unless they've given you reason to not trust I'd give them every bit of respect and let them do as I would want done unto me. I moved outta the city to enjoy the quiet and peacefulness. Everybody around me is nice as can be and I return the favor Sitting here thinking the same. Either you trust them enough to come on the property, look for their animal then leave or don't let them on at all. I would never trail a wounded animal without a gun, that's just not smart. I bet if the tables were turned they would want to take a gun onto the neighbors property.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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01/14/15 10:56 PM
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I am old and have lived in the country for many a year. If any one who gives a sh*t and wants to hear what I think here it is. I think there are way to many of you that have been raised on pavement and think you know it all. You have your laws and think what goes on in the city and works out here have another thing coming. Here sometimes you need to do things that are maybe not the way your city ways dictate. You do it your way and I will do it mine. See which way works best for the both of us. Probably mine out here.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
[Re: Texas Dan]
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01/14/15 11:28 PM
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Do you have a binder you carry all these inane rules in so you can remember them? Common sense It is not common sense to let a butthole neighbor dictate how you hunt your own property. Somehow I managed to "protect the resource" for over 40 years before I started reading your endless lectures.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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01/14/15 11:34 PM
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What's with all the they have to leave their weapon on other side of the fence? You kidding me with hogs and yotes and fun stuff. If they're tracking for a deer they should have a weapon. What if it was a bad shot and still kicking when they get there? Stone it to death? No wonder our world is falling apart. No trust. I understand there are bad and untrusting people but unless they've given you reason to not trust I'd give them every bit of respect and let them do as I would want done unto me. I moved outta the city to enjoy the quiet and peacefulness. Everybody around me is nice as can be and I return the favor Hemi, this is pretty much where I sit on things. If someone wounds a deer on there side and it crosses to my side, they are welcome to retrieve said deer requiring a followup kill shot or not. I would expect the same courtesy. In no way am I in favor of throwing initial shots across each other's properties. Should I find that to be the case, then that's another discussion of a whole different animal.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
[Re: don k]
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01/14/15 11:38 PM
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I am old and have lived in the country for many a year. If any one who gives a sh*t and wants to hear what I think here it is. I think there are way to many of you that have been raised on pavement and think you know it all. You have your laws and think what goes on in the city and works out here have another thing coming. Here sometimes you need to do things that are maybe not the way your city ways dictate. You do it your way and I will do it mine. See which way works best for the both of us. Probably mine out here. You know it does not matter where you grew up, where you live or have lived - at the end of the day it should be all about neighbors working to get along and respect each other - period. Has nothing to do with rights - has to to with common decency and respect for each other. If people, no matter where they live or what their backgrounds are, show common respect for each other then problems are minimal.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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01/14/15 11:46 PM
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I am old and have lived in the country for many a year. If any one who gives a sh*t and wants to hear what I think here it is. I think there are way to many of you that have been raised on pavement and think you know it all. You have your laws and think what goes on in the city and works out here have another thing coming. Here sometimes you need to do things that are maybe not the way your city ways dictate. You do it your way and I will do it mine. See which way works best for the both of us. Probably mine out here. Born and raised in the country. Live in the country. I am a landowner. But I'm not going to sit here and generalize about city/country folk. In fact, most of the problems I have had of the "idiot/total disrespect" variety have been with country folk.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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01/14/15 11:58 PM
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I am old and have lived in the country for many a year. If any one who gives a sh*t and wants to hear what I think here it is. I think there are way to many of you that have been raised on pavement and think you know it all. You have your laws and think what goes on in the city and works out here have another thing coming. Here sometimes you need to do things that are maybe not the way your city ways dictate. You do it your way and I will do it mine. See which way works best for the both of us. Probably mine out here.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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01/15/15 12:42 AM
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This is the way a lot of HFs start. Someone claims that the neighbor shot their deer.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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01/15/15 12:43 AM
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In the other thread showing a picture of a feeder on a fence line it looks like there is a high fence.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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I detect the presence of several fence line hunters in this discussion.
Of course we all know what they say about grass and fences.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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I don't hunt the fence line (unless you count our own ranch cross fences ) and have no issue with others that do. I would have to count them, but I would guess there are 7-8, and maybe more, along our fences right now. We asked one to relocate because if they shot, the bullet would cross into our property. Two of our neighbors have called us to track deer on our property. The rancher went with them, walked with them, and tried to help them. When one wasn't found, he called a couple of hunters to come help and called the local trapper to bring a dog. If he had caught them crossing without contacting one of us, he would not have been happy and more than likely, would have sent them packing out of spite. Or he might have went ahead and let them look, but would have been pissed and told them to call before crossing any fences. If they were rude or disrespectful, he wouldn't let them cross the fence for any reason. The charge for trespassing isn't as bad as everyone thinks. Telling them no will probably just make them cross and hope they don't get caught. If they get caught, they will get a slap on the wrist and exactly how far will you go to hold them on your property until the GW gets there? What is it worth?
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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Somehow I managed to "protect the resource" for over 40 years before I started reading your endless lectures. I'm sure it's my practice of getting straight to the point that really bothers you most.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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Somehow I managed to "protect the resource" for over 40 years before I started reading your endless lectures. I'm sure it's my practice of getting straight to the point that really bothers you most. At times, I think it is actually the "point" that really bothers people. I am still not over the flag and hating America post...
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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I don't hunt the fence line (unless you count our own ranch cross fences ) and have no issue with others that do. I would have to count them, but I would guess there are 7-8, and maybe more, along our fences right now. We asked one to relocate because if they shot, the bullet would cross into our property. Two of our neighbors have called us to track deer on our property. The rancher went with them, walked with them, and tried to help them. When one wasn't found, he called a couple of hunters to come help and called the local trapper to bring a dog. If he had caught them crossing without contacting one of us, he would not have been happy and more than likely, would have sent them packing out of spite. Or he might have went ahead and let them look, but would have been pissed and told them to call before crossing any fences. If they were rude or disrespectful, he wouldn't let them cross the fence for any reason. The charge for trespassing isn't as bad as everyone thinks. Telling them no will probably just make them cross and hope they don't get caught. If they get caught, they will get a slap on the wrist and exactly how far will you go to hold them on your property until the GW gets there? What is it worth? What's it worth??? I'm smelling a rare ribeye and maybe a round of golf.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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Somehow I managed to "protect the resource" for over 40 years before I started reading your endless lectures. I'm sure it's my practice of getting straight to the point that really bothers you most. Oh, if that were only true. It's your unique combination of obtuseness and condescension that makes you one of a kind. Even on the rare occasions when you have a point, you seldom get straight to it.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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Man this is not worth the effort - I'm out
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking
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Man this is not worth the effort - I'm out Fence line hunting, spikes, and antler restrictions in general will never find agreement in these parts. If only mobile apps did not make it so easy to waste so much time.
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