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Grayson county.
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01/07/09 02:47 AM
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Discussions about the proposal for Grayson county to change from Archery Only to having a Firearms Season has been somewhat the center of attention for many folks, and I thing there was a poll done earlier, but I can't remember.
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Re: Grayson county.
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01/07/09 02:52 AM
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I voted to open it up.
I don't think that you should restrict the rights of hunters in any way as long as they are using legal means during the appointed seasons.
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Re: Grayson county.
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01/07/09 12:46 PM
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By the looks of things so far, the yes's and no's are almost equal.
Only one person has voted that they don't care and are tired of the whole mess.
Kind of makes me wonder if that one person is the only truthful person on this site?
By the way, I voted No.
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Re: Grayson county.
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01/07/09 01:05 PM
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I voted to open it up.
I don't think that you should restrict the rights of hunters in any way as long as they are using legal means during the appointed seasons.
So if there are only two deer in a location, it's OK to take them? Sorry, I need better data than that before I decide something like this... hope the state does too, but i don't think so. I think it's the squeaky wheel theory... or the greased palm theory, that they use to make management decisions.
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Re: Grayson county.
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01/07/09 02:56 PM
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Re: Grayson county.
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01/07/09 03:15 PM
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Yeah, I voted 'most influence' (money) too...
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Re: Grayson county.
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01/07/09 03:26 PM
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How the heck did it come about that this one county became archery only?
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Re: Grayson county.
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01/07/09 03:56 PM
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I voted for most influence.
I don't understand the whole thing, it is archery now but they want to open it to gun also?
I guess my question is why would it matter if it is archery only, gun only, or gun and archery? You can only take the limit allowed by the state no matter what you use.
What would it matter if it is by gun or bow?
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Re: Grayson county.
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01/07/09 04:13 PM
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I would guess that 99% of the people that want to open it up don't have the faintest idea as to deer densities, human densities, etc. Really I think it's 100% but I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt.
All you guys that have never lived in Grayson County and have never hunted Grayson County (and probably have never even been in Grayson County) feel as though you are somehow qualified to make this decision. How bout you let the Grayson County residents reciprocate and decree how and when you can hunt in the other 250 counties? Some people never let a lack of knowledge stand in the way of making a decision. Exactly how much do you know about the history of Grayson County deer hunting? How many of you know that the season used to be only for the month of October? Just within the last few years was the season extended through November and December. How much of Grayson County is public land? How much is private land? Outside of Hagerman and the parks along Lake Texoma, where are the deer?
Opinions based on a total lack of knowledge are nothing more than background noise; kind of like that ringing in your ears that won't go away.
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Re: Grayson county.
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01/07/09 04:55 PM
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I would guess that 99% of the people that want to open it up don't have the faintest idea as to deer densities, human densities, etc. Really I think it's 100% but I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt.
All you guys that have never lived in Grayson County and have never hunted Grayson County (and probably have never even been in Grayson County) feel as though you are somehow qualified to make this decision. How bout you let the Grayson County residents reciprocate and decree how and when you can hunt in the other 250 counties? Some people never let a lack of knowledge stand in the way of making a decision. Exactly how much do you know about the history of Grayson County deer hunting? How many of you know that the season used to be only for the month of October? Just within the last few years was the season extended through November and December. How much of Grayson County is public land? How much is private land? Outside of Hagerman and the parks along Lake Texoma, where are the deer?
Opinions based on a total lack of knowledge are nothing more than background noise; kind of like that ringing in your ears that won't go away.
I duck hunt on Ray Roberts and I can say this from my scouting of that area, there is alot of private land around the lake. Basically the lake is an island in a sea of private land, now that doesnt mean that changing the regulations to gun hunting means that the lake regulations will change.
Most of the private land around the lake are for horse ranches but there is alot of for sale signs to so maybe just maybe those that have some land want to hunt with a gun?
I don't know maybe I am wrong but I don't think that the public hunters will benefit from a change but I bet those that have tracts of land in Grayson will from leases and they are probably the ones fighting this.
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Re: Grayson county.
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01/07/09 05:05 PM
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I would guess that 99% of the people that want to open it up don't have the faintest idea as to deer densities, human densities, etc. Really I think it's 100% but I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt.
All you guys that have never lived in Grayson County and have never hunted Grayson County (and probably have never even been in Grayson County) feel as though you are somehow qualified to make this decision. How bout you let the Grayson County residents reciprocate and decree how and when you can hunt in the other 250 counties? Some people never let a lack of knowledge stand in the way of making a decision. Exactly how much do you know about the history of Grayson County deer hunting? How many of you know that the season used to be only for the month of October? Just within the last few years was the season extended through November and December. How much of Grayson County is public land? How much is private land? Outside of Hagerman and the parks along Lake Texoma, where are the deer?
Opinions based on a total lack of knowledge are nothing more than background noise; kind of like that ringing in your ears that won't go away.
Why do it differently in Grayson County than every other county in the state?
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Re: Grayson county.
[Re: Huntalot]
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01/07/09 05:13 PM
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I would guess that 99% of the people that want to open it up don't have the faintest idea as to deer densities, human densities, etc. Really I think it's 100% but I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt.
All you guys that have never lived in Grayson County and have never hunted Grayson County (and probably have never even been in Grayson County) feel as though you are somehow qualified to make this decision. How bout you let the Grayson County residents reciprocate and decree how and when you can hunt in the other 250 counties? Some people never let a lack of knowledge stand in the way of making a decision. Exactly how much do you know about the history of Grayson County deer hunting? How many of you know that the season used to be only for the month of October? Just within the last few years was the season extended through November and December. How much of Grayson County is public land? How much is private land? Outside of Hagerman and the parks along Lake Texoma, where are the deer?
Opinions based on a total lack of knowledge are nothing more than background noise; kind of like that ringing in your ears that won't go away.
Why do it differently in Grayson County than every other county in the state?
I agree.... it should be a local choice everywhere....
Like...ArcherBaylor and Foard Counties are one buck and Fannin/Red River/Lamar are 2 bucks... yeah that makes sense....
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Re: Grayson county.
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01/07/09 07:00 PM
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Why do it differently in Grayson County than every other county in the state?
Are you saying it should be the same just to be the same? MAYBE Grayson County is doing a better job of managing our wildlife resources than other counties who may be more concerned with revenue over wildlife. MAYBE Grayson County places a higher value on our wildlife than the almighty dollar.
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Re: Grayson county.
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01/07/09 09:36 PM
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Why do it differently in Grayson County than every other county in the state?
Are you saying it should be the same just to be the same? MAYBE Grayson County is doing a better job of managing our wildlife resources than other counties who may be more concerned with revenue over wildlife. MAYBE Grayson County places a higher value on our wildlife than the almighty dollar.
Maybe you're not. Why should you (assuming you live in Grayson County) be different than every other county in the state? Just curious.
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Re: Grayson county.
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01/07/09 09:49 PM
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I can assure you he lives in Grayson Co. I don't, but I live within about 8 miles of it, and I grew up there and know it pretty well. A county wide gun season in Grayson County would ruin 15 years of management in about 2 weeks. Grayson would be worse than Fannin Co in 2 years...
Plus, a lot of people think this automatically applies to Haggerman, which is federal, and may very well have different rules anyway....
I think there are TOO MANY DEER killed in several of the North Texas Counties, including Fannin and Lamar and Red River. We all know that you shouldn't judge all of Texas under one set of rules, and that applies at the county level too. Does NorthEastern Fannin County support a rifle season....barely. Does Southwestern, you know, all those big deer around Whitewright, Trenton, Leonard, Delba, Pike.... No. There are about one deer per square mile in 3/4 of Fannin, and Grayson and the general open season would allow WAY too many to be harvested in Grayson Co.
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Re: Grayson county.
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01/07/09 10:04 PM
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I can assure you he lives in Grayson Co. I don't, but I live within about 8 miles of it, and I grew up there and know it pretty well. A county wide gun season in Grayson County would ruin 15 years of management in about 2 weeks. Grayson would be worse than Fannin Co in 2 years...
Plus, a lot of people think this automatically applies to Haggerman, which is federal, and may very well have different rules anyway....
I think there are TOO MANY DEER killed in several of the North Texas Counties, including Fannin and Lamar and Red River. We all know that you shouldn't judge all of Texas under one set of rules, and that applies at the county level too. Does NorthEastern Fannin County support a rifle season....barely. Does Southwestern, you know, all those big deer around Whitewright, Trenton, Leonard, Delba, Pike.... No. There are about one deer per square mile in 3/4 of Fannin, and Grayson and the general open season would allow WAY too many to be harvested in Grayson Co.
Makes sense.....
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Re: Grayson county.
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01/07/09 11:06 PM
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Results look interesting, and I am glad to see that the third place runner at this time, was my actual choice, but I would rather go with the, leaving it archey only, then having it confirmed that influence/money still has more power in Austin than public sentiment or desire.
As I say, I support much of the work TP&W has done and feel that they have tried to provide as many hunting opportunities as possible.
However, in looking back over the history of the TP&W's Board of Commisioners, I do not believe that there has evr been a common, everyday, run of the mill hunter, appointed to that board.
They have always been moneyed and influential people that are cronies in one way or the other of the govenor in office at the time of their appointment.
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Re: Grayson county.
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01/08/09 12:50 PM
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I took a bowhunter safety class in Grayson county last year. The local game warden came out and explained why Grayson county was archery only. I don't really remember why, but it really made sence then and he had lots of facts.
I voted keep it bow only.
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Re: Grayson county.
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01/10/09 02:55 AM
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Lets throw this one back on to the floor.
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Re: Grayson county.
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01/10/09 05:05 AM
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I think this is a good thread. I voted to open it up based only on legal means without thought to the current population and conditions. Having heard the arguments against opening it up from people in the area, I'm inclined to change my mind. My thought process, at that time, was centered around the rights of hunters rather than game management. If I ruffled feathers, I apologize. I appreciate your responses and see your side of the coin.
BTW, I hunt with rifle and bow.
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Re: Grayson county.
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01/10/09 07:12 AM
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No feathers ruffled from my side.
You stated your opinion and I appreciate that.
Lots of folks have been looking, but neither voting or making comments.
Many folks seem to think that things are the same all over the state as far as deer numbers go.
In reality it ain't that way. Some areas for what ever reason hold no or relatively few deer.
Other areas, due to supplemental feeding and such, have artificially high numbers of deer, and such areas could prove detrimental to those numbers, should the feeding stop, and could prove deadly should CWD ever reach Texas and if it is passed among animals in close contact with each other such as around feeders.
Whatever the outcome of the decision, some folks will be mad.
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