Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie??

This is going to be a good poll. The below pics are from a trail cam in Reagan County, off another forum. I won't say what some think this deer is, whether a mule deer or whitetail. It can't be BOTH. By law it must be tagged as a white tail or a mule deer. So which is it??? I will let it start then give my opion way down the line. I am also curious what the Game Wardens in this room think, and what tag they say needs to be used. In the first pic, that is him looking at you.

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Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: 7mag] #533947 01/03/09 10:09 PM
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BMD Silver Spoon B Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 41,350 Rockwall, Texas	whitetail

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: BMD] #533948 01/03/09 10:10 PM
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OP 7mag THF Celebrity 7 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 22,280 West Texas	Quote: whitetail really????Ok, I can respect that without alot of jibberish, more so because you are in wt and mulie country. Thanks. I will hold my opion a little longer "Laugh with many, but don't trust any"

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: 7mag] #533949 01/03/09 10:11 PM
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A.B. Obi-Wan Kenobi A Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 12,274 Cass County, TX	my vote is whitetail Talent is a gift, character is a decision.

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: 7mag] #533950 01/03/09 10:14 PM
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DZM Light Foot D Joined: May 2008 Posts: 46 The Colony Texas	If I had to choose I would say Whitetail. But it sure looks like a whitetail/muley cross to me. I saw a cross before on a lease I used to have up in Floyd county. DZM

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: A.B.] #533951 01/03/09 10:15 PM
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OP 7mag THF Celebrity 7 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 22,280 West Texas	Quote: my vote is whitetail cool deal??? those of you that are voting, can you tell me why your thinking it is a whitetail or a mule deer. What characteristics are making you sway one way or another. FYI Reagan County has both wt and mule deer, if that helps any. I am not going to bash anyone, just curious how you arrived at your decision "Laugh with many, but don't trust any"

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: 7mag] #533952 01/03/09 10:15 PM
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fowlplayr Shenanigans Scorecard keeper F Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,264 Athens/Prosper, TX	Facial features look like a Muley. But everything else appears whitetail. Whitetail tag.

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: DZM] #533953 01/03/09 10:18 PM
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OP 7mag THF Celebrity 7 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 22,280 West Texas	Quote: If I had to choose I would say Whitetail. But it sure looks like a whitetail/muley cross to me. I saw a cross before on a lease I used to have up in Floyd county. Thank you sir and they do cross quite a bit here in the Trans-Pecos. Very interesting so far thanks guys "Laugh with many, but don't trust any"

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: fowlplayr] #533954 01/03/09 10:19 PM
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OP 7mag THF Celebrity 7 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 22,280 West Texas	Quote: Facial features look like a Muley. But everything else appears whitetail. Whitetail tag. What about the antlers??? See anything that just hits you??? "Laugh with many, but don't trust any"

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: 7mag] #533955 01/03/09 10:19 PM
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Crazyhorse THF Celebrity Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 16,474 Azle, Texas	I voted white tail. Ears are too small for a muley. Without seeing the tail, it could be a toss up, pretty sure it is not a hybrid, could be wrong, but I have never seen a hybrid with that much antler. From what I have gathered from conversations with GW's from that part of the state, the determination of what tag to use lies with the tail. If it has a tail like a white tail, then that is what it is. If it has a muley's tail, then it is a mule deer. Antlers are not as big an indicator of species as many folks believe. White Tail and Mule Deer are very closely related, with some rsearchers believing that white tails are the results of a cross between mule deer and black tailed deer.

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: fowlplayr] #533956 01/03/09 10:20 PM
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SMitchell462 Bird Dog S Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 427 Abilene, TX	Them ears are awefully big. Hard to say with out seeing the tail as well..but the antlers scream whitetail...possible to be mixed??

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: 7mag] #533957 01/03/09 10:22 PM
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fowlplayr Shenanigans Scorecard keeper F Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,264 Athens/Prosper, TX	Quote: Quote: Facial features look like a Muley. But everything else appears whitetail. Whitetail tag. What about the antlers??? See anything that just hits you??? I assume that you mean other than all the freakin points! Split/forked G2 on right side.

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: fowlplayr] #533958 01/03/09 10:24 PM
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BMD Silver Spoon B Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 41,350 Rockwall, Texas	looks all witetail, nothing I see says cross hunted where they are both there for 11yrs and have yet to see them interact together never seen one I believe is a cross kind of the black panther theory until I see otherwise, bash me if you want but in 40 to 50 days a year for 11 yrs never seen them interact so to me 100.% wt

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: 7mag] #533959 01/03/09 10:24 PM
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A.B. Obi-Wan Kenobi A Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 12,274 Cass County, TX	After looking at the first pic, I thought muley. The others around the feeder tell me whitetail. That deer may very well have some muley blood in his lines, but he is heavy on the whitetail side. Spent last 15 years hunting in Panhandle and KS, never even seen ahybrid, even though I know the do exist. Last edited by aggie7734; 01/03/09 10:27 PM. Talent is a gift, character is a decision.

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: Crazyhorse] #533960 01/03/09 10:27 PM
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OP 7mag THF Celebrity 7 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 22,280 West Texas	Quote: I voted white tail. Ears are too small for a muley. Without seeing the tail, it could be a toss up, pretty sure it is not a hybrid, could be wrong, but I have never seen a hybrid with that much antler. From what I have gathered from conversations with GW's from that part of the state, the determination of what tag to use lies with the tail. If it has a tail like a white tail, then that is what it is. If it has a muley's tail, then it is a mule deer. Antlers are not as big an indicator of species as many folks believe. White Tail and Mule Deer are very closely related, with some rsearchers believing that white tails are the results of a cross between mule deer and black tailed deer. even from the second pic of the ears, you still think it is a wt??? I agree on the tail, I have no pics of it, and I am not trying to steer anyone astray, I just don't have em. The first pic.................doesn't look like a mulie to you??? Where he is looking at you???? I see something distinct in the antlers, that makes me sway just a bit more also in the head (size) and color. You also touched on something very STRONGLY Randall, that the antlers could not be a hybrid............why too much for a wt and about the right size for a nice mulie??? "Laugh with many, but don't trust any"

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: fowlplayr] #533961 01/03/09 10:28 PM
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OP 7mag THF Celebrity 7 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 22,280 West Texas	Quote: Quote: Quote: Facial features look like a Muley. But everything else appears whitetail. Whitetail tag. What about the antlers??? See anything that just hits you??? I assume that you mean other than all the freakin points! Split/forked G2 on right side. very good "Laugh with many, but don't trust any"

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: 7mag] #533962 01/03/09 10:30 PM
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BMD Silver Spoon B Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 41,350 Rockwall, Texas	forked g2 don't mean a thing!

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: BMD] #533963 01/03/09 10:32 PM
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fowlplayr Shenanigans Scorecard keeper F Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,264 Athens/Prosper, TX	Quote: forked g2 don't mean a thing! That's true, it wouldn't be the deciding factor for which tag to use...but it is more characteristic for a muley than a whitetail.

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: A.B.] #533964 01/03/09 10:33 PM
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OP 7mag THF Celebrity 7 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 22,280 West Texas	Quote: After looking at the first pic, I thought muley. The others around the feeder tell me whitetail. That deer may very well have some muley blood in his lines, but he is heavy on the whitetail side. Spent last 15 years hunting in Panhandle and KS, never even seen ahybrid, even though I know the do exist. We always have both at our feeders, both mulies and wt. Whether we agree or disagree, one thing for sure he is a HOSS!!! "Laugh with many, but don't trust any"

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: fowlplayr] #533965 01/03/09 10:33 PM
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OP 7mag THF Celebrity 7 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 22,280 West Texas	Quote: Quote: forked g2 don't mean a thing! That's true, it wouldn't be the deciding factor for which tag to use...but it is more characteristic for a muley than a whitetail. agree ty "Laugh with many, but don't trust any"

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: 7mag] #533966 01/03/09 10:35 PM
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OP 7mag THF Celebrity 7 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 22,280 West Texas	Man that 1st and 4th pic just SCREAMS out Mulie!!! To me, I can't figure why??? "Laugh with many, but don't trust any"

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: BMD] #533967 01/03/09 10:36 PM
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Crazyhorse THF Celebrity Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 16,474 Azle, Texas	This is just an aside from the topic, but from what I have heard from TP&W biologists, I do not believe they have found any evidence of cross breeding between white tails and muleys, in the Panhandle. Down in the Trans-Pecos they definitely can and do cross, and once you see on of the hybrids, you won't forget it. I have been watching the things for going on 12 years now on the ranch I do my hunts on. I can understand where Roy is coming from with this, because from TP&W information, there is an area out around the Fort Stockton/McCamey area, about 100 miles or so in diameter that hybrids are fairly common in.

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: Crazyhorse] #533968 01/03/09 10:39 PM
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OP 7mag THF Celebrity 7 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 22,280 West Texas	Quote: This is just an aside from the topic, but from what I have heard from TP&W biologists, I do not believe they have found any evidence of cross breeding between white tails and muleys, in the Panhandle. Down in the Trans-Pecos they definitely can and do cross, and once you see on of the hybrids, you won't forget it. I have been watching the things for going on 12 years now on the ranch I do my hunts on. I can understand where Roy is coming from with this, because from TP&W information, there is an area out around the Fort Stockton/McCamey area, about 100 miles or so in diameter that hybrids are fairly common in. agree 110 percent, that is why this is more interesting "Laugh with many, but don't trust any"

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: Crazyhorse] #533969 01/03/09 10:47 PM
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Ranch Dog Veteran Tracker R Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,116 Retired	I hunt in country with both and this deer has a mix of features could rule it either. I think the dichotomous branching in his antlers is present. I believe the relative size of his ears are deceiving. The bridge between the eyes on his skull plate looks like a mule deer as does something about his body frame. When all else fails, the tail will tell the tale. I'd whistle at him, if he's a whitetail that tail will come up. If he is a mule deer, he will stand there real stupid like. I hunt managed lands and if we were down to a single permit of either species, I would want to see the tail before I shot him. In the field, we have to consider this for about half the deer we look at.

Re: Ok Deer Experts what is it???? Whitetail or Mulie?? [Re: 7mag] #533970 01/03/09 10:47 PM
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