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Re: Help me settle an argument [Re: john paul] #5270866 08/25/14 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: john paul
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Let me ask you this. Would you let someone tag your over sized red? Or tag theirs?


I would if they forgot their license so they could avoid getting a ticket if we happened to be checked. Not that this would ever be a problem for me because I don't know anyone who would even keep an over sized redfish... confused2


Your friend would still get a ticket because he had no fishing license. For the scenario to relate to the original question would be more like bringing a non fishing friend along to buy him a license so you could catch and tag two oversize redfish.

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Just get everybody ya know with a gun that cant shoot fer chit and you can just shoot thier limits for them. Is that how that works? I think not!

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Originally Posted By: Sniper John
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Let me ask you this. Would you let someone tag your over sized red? Or tag theirs?


I would if they forgot their license so they could avoid getting a ticket if we happened to be checked. Not that this would ever be a problem for me because I don't know anyone who would even keep an over sized redfish... confused2


Your friend would still get a ticket because he had no fishing license. For the scenario to relate to the original question would be more like bringing a non fishing friend along to buy him a license so you could catch and tag two oversize redfish.


Its funny you bring this up. Three weeks ago I got checked in Rockport... first question did you caught any fish, second question can I see them all, third question which ones did YOU caught (to each of us), then asked for each of our license. And asked again which fish we caught.


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Re: Help me settle an argument [Re: huntwest] #5270891 08/25/14 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted By: huntwest
If a game warden watches him from a distance and he kills over his limit he will get a ticket period.
Experience speaking here!


I have heard people talk about that, about learning the hard way. Also seem to remember this coming up in the field notes about doves and ducks.

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Party hunting is illegal. It's also not respectful to your fellow hunters. If you're on the hot side of the (field, spread, whatever) and you've got your birds switch spots with the people you call friends and let them shoot theirs.

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Undercover investigation reveals illegal crane hunting
http://amarillo.com/news/local-news/2012...l-crane-hunting
"On a three-day undercover investigation beginning Jan. 22, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service agents met Meissenburg in a motel parking lot in Littlefield for a morning hunt through corn fields in Castro County, the release said. Prosecutors said Meissenburg told the agents to fill his daily bag limit after they filled their own of three sandhill cranes each."


Several years ago I also remember there was a three year undercover investigation on the coast that involved over 100 agents. SEVERAL were arrested including guides and clients. Violations included claiming birds for others that there not hunting/over limit, and for guides record keeping violations related to same.


Re: Help me settle an argument [Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn] #5270929 08/25/14 03:40 PM
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Fishing is a bit different from hunting.
Fishing, all of the fish go into a common chest or well.
Hunting, the GW gets POed if you "pool" (put them all in the same pile) the birds.
We had a GW tell us as he drove up "I don't want to see any pooling of the birds, all of them must be separated." Note: At the time I could not find this in the hunting guide.
I had my birds up at the front of the cab and my daughters were on the tailgate. He was a turd and had a fit and accused us of pooling. As respectful as I could I asked him what was the law on how far apart her pile had to be from mine, so I would know for future hunting. He dropped the issue.


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Originally Posted By: Simple Searcher
Fishing is a bit different from hunting.
Fishing, all of the fish go into a common chest or well.
Hunting, the GW gets POed if you "pool" (put them all in the same pile) the birds.
We had a GW tell us as he drove up "I don't want to see any pooling of the birds, all of them must be separated." Note: At the time I could not find this in the hunting guide.
I had my birds up at the front of the cab and my daughters were on the tailgate. He was a turd and had a fit and accused us of pooling. As respectful as I could I asked him what was the law on how far apart her pile had to be from mine, so I would know for future hunting. He dropped the issue.


If the birds are not separated and there are no Wildlife Resource Documents for each hunter's limit, the birds then belong to the owner of the common chest or well, truck's tailgate the pile is located. I don't know what the ticket is for but I would imagine it is over limit or failure to obtain a WRD. Anyone who has seen the ticket, what was it actually written as?

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Can he do it legally? Sure, I could shoot 100 birds by myself, hide 85 and tell the GW I only shot my limit.

Can he do it legally AND honestly? No, 1 person can only shoot 15 birds, enough said.

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Originally Posted By: Gone to Texas
Can he do it legally? Sure, I could shoot 100 birds by myself, hide 85 and tell the GW I only shot my limit.

Can he do it legally AND honestly? No, 1 person can only shoot 15 birds, enough said.


How the hell is any of that legal? You sound just like the old man that got this whole thread started in the first place.


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So it's only illegal if I get caught? Hmmmm... I've been living life all wrong!


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Originally Posted By: Gone to Texas
Can he do it legally? Sure, I could shoot 100 birds by myself, hide 85 and tell the GW I only shot my limit.

Can he do it legally AND honestly? No, 1 person can only shoot 15 birds, enough said.


Wow that made no sense at all, except for shooting 15 birds.

So he can do it legally and illegally? Cant be both

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Originally Posted By: Sniper John
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Fishing is a bit different from hunting.
Fishing, all of the fish go into a common chest or well.
Hunting, the GW gets POed if you "pool" (put them all in the same pile) the birds.
We had a GW tell us as he drove up "I don't want to see any pooling of the birds, all of them must be separated." Note: At the time I could not find this in the hunting guide.
I had my birds up at the front of the cab and my daughters were on the tailgate. He was a turd and had a fit and accused us of pooling. As respectful as I could I asked him what was the law on how far apart her pile had to be from mine, so I would know for future hunting. He dropped the issue.


If the birds are not separated and there are no Wildlife Resource Documents for each hunter's limit, the birds then belong to the owner of the common chest or well, truck's tailgate the pile is located. I don't know what the ticket is for but I would imagine it is over limit or failure to obtain a WRD. Anyone who has seen the ticket, what was it actually written as?


Good friend got one at the coast cleaning 5limits of ducks. $15,000. Was reduced to $2500. Have no idea how it was written.

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Just call your local game warden and ask him, I'm betting he won't say 'it's kind of bad but not'....

If i get time later today i will i have a family member that is a GW and i dont think it is illegal it does not state it anywhere in the book that you cant do that in those words does it ? I am not 100 % sure anyhow people are going to do it either way .


Get it on video so we can see his facial expression

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The fine that much would have been over limit. I am sure it included restitution for each bird over the limit as well.

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The analogy of a hunting license to a vehicle registration is a bit off. Once registered, anyone with a valid driver's license, may operate a registered vehicle. Case in point, rental cars. The vehicle is registered, not the person. In hunting, a person is issued a license. So the correct analogy is a hunting license to a driver's license. Regardless of who pays for the cost of the license (hunting or driver's,) the license is issued to an individual and as such, no one else may legally use that license. This is the reason why all persons, over 17 years of age, participating in taking game (hunting or fishing) must have on their person, state issued ID. This way, a GW can verify the name printed on the hunting license is in fact the actual hunter.

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With the individual license, there are daily bag limits. The daily bag limits are tied to each individual license. They are not transferable. If you, a licensed hunter, shoot your limit of any species and then proceed to shoot somebody else's limit then you are committing a violation to the Fish and Wildlife laws. It does not matter if that person is standing next to you in the field or that you paid for their license.

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for inspection by a game warden, unless exempt by age, program or a reciprocal agreement with
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• use another person’s license or tag to hunt or fish.
• let someone else hunt or fish with your license or tags.

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but I can shoot my limit in the morning, go home and clean 'em up, then go back in the afternoon for another limit...if you can do that why cant this guy shoot his wifes birds?


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but I can shoot my limit in the morning, go home and clean 'em up, then go back in the afternoon for another limit...if you can do that why cant this guy shoot his wifes birds?
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but I can shoot my limit in the morning, go home and clean 'em up, then go back in the afternoon for another limit...if you can do that why cant this guy shoot his wifes birds?


In some areas you could actually take three limits.

Provided you hunt in Texas and neighboring states and have valid license for each.

I could see this if you lived near Texarkana. For example, you could hunt the morning in Arkansas, then a noon hunt in Louisiana and finally an evening shoot in Texas.

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Originally Posted By: Hubbs
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but I can shoot my limit in the morning, go home and clean 'em up, then go back in the afternoon for another limit...if you can do that why cant this guy shoot his wifes birds?


In some areas you could actually take three limits.

Provided you hunt in Texas and neighboring states and have valid license for each.

I could see this if you lived near Texarkana. For example, you could hunt the morning in Arkansas, then a noon hunt in Louisiana and finally an evening shoot in Texas.


Getting Garrett to one hunt a day is hard enough. I don't think he could handle the cycle.


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Just call your local game warden and ask him, I'm betting he won't say 'it's kind of bad but not'....

If i get time later today i will i have a family member that is a GW and i dont think it is illegal it does not state it anywhere in the book that you cant do that in those words does it ? I am not 100 % sure anyhow people are going to do it either way .


Get it on video so we can see his facial expression

scared I know it is wrong to do what the guy was asking but i was just trying to see what the response would be but to the above post about getting a limit and going back thats where i say if you can shoot a two person limit in the same setting and the other person is there and hunting why is there such a stink about it . It is just like some that i know do on deer they will have one of there son's or wife or daughter tags with them and have a note wrote by them and if he shoots a deer calls them and tells them where it was shot what time and all the facts so if something happens and the GW checks him it should be all good , i am not saying it is right or legal btu there sometimes when laws just dont make much sense.

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I am getting the feeling there are a lot of folks on here that don't follow the laws and limits... Probably the same ones that complain about GW's and how they don't cut anyone any slack.


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Originally Posted By: Hubbs
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but I can shoot my limit in the morning, go home and clean 'em up, then go back in the afternoon for another limit...if you can do that why cant this guy shoot his wifes birds?


In some areas you could actually take three limits.

Provided you hunt in Texas and neighboring states and have valid license for each.

I could see this if you lived near Texarkana. For example, you could hunt the morning in Arkansas, then a noon hunt in Louisiana and finally an evening shoot in Texas.


Going to ignor Garrett, but I will address this. Tis not true. Migratory bird regulations are based on Federal limits. You can take birds in in all three states in the same day, but you can't exceed the total limit of one state. If the limits are different such as when Texas was under "hunter's choice" and Oklahoma was not, and you are hunting in two states in the same day, the bag limit is probably the bag limit for the last state you are hunting in that day related to possession. But for migratory birds you can't legally shoot a full limit in every state you hunt in a single day.

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Originally Posted By: ImTheReasonDovesMourn
Right now I'm arguing with an old man who thinks he knows everything. He seems to think that as long as he takes his wife dove hunting with him, he can shoot more than 15 doves LEGALLY because 2 people are holding guns. Even if she doesn't hit a single bird. Google didn't turn up anything. I need to know asap because we bet a bottle of Scotch and I want my McAllen.

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Right now I'm arguing with an old man who thinks he knows everything. He seems to think that as long as he takes his wife dove hunting with him, he can shoot more than 15 doves LEGALLY because 2 people are holding guns. Even if she doesn't hit a single bird. Google didn't turn up anything. I need to know asap because we bet a bottle of Scotch and I want my McAllen.

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