I didn't sign up to work in a pecan orchard. I just wanted a few that fell off the tree in my back yard. Just because you want to work growing pecans doesn't mean you should be able to rip up my tree and plant it on your property.

its about the time in the woods and the mystery of what you will see.

There isn't no mystery when the animals can't leave don't care how much cheaper it got

I didn't sign up to work in a pecan orchard. I just wanted a few that fell off the tree in my back yard. Just because you want to work growing pecans doesn't mean you should be able to rip up my tree and plant it on your property.

When is hunting an animal that does not migrate become such a mystery.

Once you exceed a whitetails core area there is no mystery other then which part of thst core area he is at durning the day.

You make it sound like no lowfence ranch has ever been able to document a bucks age progression.

Maybe I've lost my mind but pretty sure couple threads going on right now showing what I speak of.

You want mystery go fish the ocean. That's the real truth to what we go

i didn't say they migrate, they move around a lot in the rut. miles and miles

I outfit both high fence and low fence, all my clients have fun no matter what. I have learned over the years that each person has their own views of true happiness, and I respect and take them as they are. Not my place to judge, I am just here to make their hunts memorable.

Your post drips with elitism. You basically treat everyone who is not all about the headgear as less than you. Some of us who own our own land manage it for what it will produce and don't obsess about B&C score. Some don't manage at all and have fun just hunting. Ever thought of that?

Your attitude it being all about the outsized trophy buck and of looking down your nose at those to whom that is not a priority is misplaced. Where in the world did you interrupt this opinion in my post... Basically that attitude has led us where we are today with all the HFs.

I may be misreading you and if so I apologize....

I don't "chest-thump" because I'm jealous.

I don't like HFs because I see them as a sad reflection of hunting losing what makes it hunting. It's not all about getting a big head on the wall or killing an animal. Which is what the pens are all about.
Also, the fact that they always disrupt and often ruin the hunting around them seems to get lost in the shuffle...

Elk migrate... whitetails do not

Again if you exceed a whitetails core area guess what he is on the ranch some where.

You're not seeing a new magical deer... he just decided to be more visible because of the rut


core area size changes with density but none the less its a core area.

Most likely you hunt an area that doesn't exceed a deers core area so you believe they migrate... they do not. Age progression photos on this board prove it.

Big bucks just don't appear out of thin air,

HF just deters fawn dispersal and deters or pushes the outliars home range inward. Nothing more nothing less.

On a lf ranch that exceeds a deers home range you will have deer that never leave

Most the time that is not miles as in linear, that's miles as in movement. Four miles movement is walking all the way around a 640acre square tract, one side to the other is a mile.

Radio collar studies prove that.


Lower the density more they move but exluding the panhandle its pretty predictable.

If you hunt a 2500 ranch unless your hunting fence lines you have the same deer. Just because they don't come to your corn feeder every day doesn't mean they aren't there.

I hunted a 140 8pt all last year year. Been watching him for three years. I saw him almost every time I pulled up spotting scope, but he only came to feeder three times. He hung out in a 100 acre track that was basiclly a deep gourge/canyon. We took a 155 10pt last year same ranch. I have 4 years worth of photos, he died post rut...when he finally got hungry. I have night photos of him all over his core area last year. He never went on a walk about he just didn't play in the day time via a feeder until post rut.

Maybe so but without explanation as to why, I'll take what you wrote for what it says. You clearly make the assumption that it's all about the headgear and denigrate those for whom it is not.

One who hunts his family farm for the pleasure it provides is not a lesser human just because he could give a rip about "managing" his place for big bucks.

You will have some deer that never leave and you have the rest that can't leave. It is not uncommon for the deer on our place to be on camera 3-4 miles away...linear. There are a few that take over a feeder and are corn hogs, but I have seen these move and take over a different spot 2-3 miles away. This is typically mature bucks. And the travel isn't always during the rut.

Now the young bucks are known to go even farther, especially during the rut. During the rut, there isn't a distance that would surprise me. Neighbors end up with many of our regular deer and some of those neighbors are a long ways way from where the deer was living.

You only see one Elitist world ,Yours. To you catching fish in a barrel is no different than catching fish in a lake they both provide no room for escape. You stand on your soap box and try to convince others to follow your blind premise that a 100 acres deer breeding facility is the same as a 5000 HF hunting operation. Your disillusion mind can not see the difference.

What's great about America is should we find ourselves in any situation that we object to we have the right to leave and never pull the trigger, but that is our personal choice. You clearly want to take that choice away. I'll wager a guess you believe in some form of gun control. Such as believing that taking away a semi auto AR 15 will never lead to taking away your semi auto shotgun. Doing away with a persons right to hunt a HF ranch will never impact the hunting rights of your world.
"Hey I have some beach front property for Sale"

In your heart you feel your position is Black and White but you selectively forget to acknowledge That "Not all that is Black is Dirty and not all that is White is not clean".

I agree hunting a 100 acre deer farm ,shooting hogs out of a helicopter, sitting in ambush on a 1000 year old migration trail to shot a caribou, hunting transplanted Bighorn sheep who's location has been penned down days before the hunter arrives may not be everyone's cup of tea, but they have that right. But who are you to judge.

If you are truly a hunter then head on down to Walmart and buy yourself a loin cloth, cut a tree branch, use a rock to sharpen one end and nock yourself out.

I have never made one negative comment about someone's family farm or the size of anyone's trophy. To draw that conclusion about me shows your just chest thumping without fact.

I just believe land owners have the right to sell their property for a shopping mall, sell it for a new home development, live on it for generations, LF it, HF it. Hunt it , not hunt it. They own it. However if they choice to blame others for their poor management on the land they own then they probably believe in income redistribution.

As far as you pulling a rabbit out of a hat thinking some how I'm all about score, only one comment comes to mind. I would expect no less from the elitist LF. Score is only a number a hunt is a memory of a lifetime. How we chose to hunt is Freedom.

You only see one Elitist world ,Yours. To you catching fish in a barrel is no different than catching fish in a lake they both provide no room for escape. You stand on your soap box and try to convince others to follow your blind premise that a 100 acres deer breeding facility is the same as a 5000 HF hunting operation. Your disillusion mind can not see the difference.

What's great about America is should we find ourselves in any situation that we object to we have the right to leave and never pull the trigger, but that is our personal choice. You clearly want to take that choice away. I'll wager a guess you believe in some form of gun control. Such as believing that taking away a semi auto AR 15 will never lead to taking away your semi auto shotgun. Doing away with a persons right to hunt a HF ranch will never impact the hunting rights of your world.
"Hey I have some beach front property for Sale"

In your heart you feel your position is Black and White but you selectively forget to acknowledge That "Not all that is Black is Dirty and not all that is White is not clean".

I agree hunting a 100 acre deer farm ,shooting hogs out of a helicopter, sitting in ambush on a 1000 year old migration trail to shot a caribou, hunting transplanted Bighorn sheep who's location has been penned down days before the hunter arrives may not be everyone's cup of tea, but they have that right. But who are you to judge.

If you are truly a hunter then head on down to Walmart and buy yourself a loin cloth, cut a tree branch, use a rock to sharpen one end and nock yourself out.

I have never made one negative comment about someone's family farm or the size of anyone's trophy. To draw that conclusion about me shows your just chest thumping without fact.

I just believe land owners have the right to sell their property for a shopping mall, sell it for a new home development, live on it for generations, LF it, HF it. Hunt it , not hunt it. They own it. However if they choice to blame others for their poor management on the land they own then they probably believe in income redistribution.

As far as you pulling a rabbit out of a hat thinking some how I'm all about score, only one comment comes to mind. I would expect no less from the elitist LF. Score is only a number a hunt is a memory of a lifetime. How we chose to hunt is Freedom.