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 Re: .223 hunters
[Re: thruxton]
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06/24/14 02:09 PM
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The bottom line is physics. Stories, results, pictures don't trump physics.
Like the story above where you hit the hog in the head with a 6.5 and he got up and you killed him with a .223. It's a cool story, but it doesn't tell you squat about bullets. What it tells you is a hog's skull is thicker than any other part of a hog.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: thruxton]
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06/24/14 02:22 PM
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Dead is dead no matter what the caliber is.
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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06/24/14 02:31 PM
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The bottom line is physics. Stories, results, pictures don't trump physics.
Like the story above where you hit the hog in the head with a 6.5 and he got up and you killed him with a .223. It's a cool story, but it doesn't tell you squat about bullets. What it tells you is a hog's skull is thicker than any other part of a hog. It was a 300BLK, not a 6.5. What it tells me along with all the other instances where the Hogs ran after being hit with these wonderboy calibers/bullets, is that I will stick with a 5.56mm. But like another poster said, maybe I am spraying and praying..and my prayers are somehow answered more often than the average person.
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: thruxton]
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06/24/14 02:44 PM
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It makes a difference if your shooting them on the run or taking single shot from a stand 80-120y. Big difference. If they are running I'd like a 308. From a stand where the hog is unaware, you could use almost anything 223+. Stand hunting for me 
Last edited by Gravytrain; 06/24/14 02:45 PM.
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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06/24/14 03:11 PM
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The bottom line is physics. Stories, results, pictures don't trump physics.
Like the story above where you hit the hog in the head with a 6.5 and he got up and you killed him with a .223. It's a cool story, but it doesn't tell you squat about bullets. What it tells you is a hog's skull is thicker than any other part of a hog. While agree physic rules all. You can't argue with repeated results. And if you get repeated results with 5.56, more so than with a 7.62x39, 300 blk, or whatever, physics can still explain that. As STXRanchman said dead is dead. Also he was talking about a 300 blk in that story not a 6.5. He said he loves the 6.5 there is just not as much ammo available.
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: HOG RUSH]
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06/24/14 08:59 PM
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Based on finding them in the field where I shoot them or by the buzzards the next day. I don't have thermals to find them after I shoot them. Until last week I didn't have a night vision scope to shoot them with either or a suppressor. Weapon mounted lights only. Dead is dead, but it's like everyone says "if you don't have a picture you didn't kill it". We hunt out of a truck and after the shooting starts we start chasing them to stay on them. It always amazes me how far hogs can run after they've been shot when you're chasing them vs not chasing them. We'll probably stop doing that after we get another night vision scope to use. While I have personally not killed hundreds of hogs by myself. The core group of two or three guys I hunt with have killed hundreds of hogs. We kill hogs all the time that look like they've been shot before. A couple even look like they've been hit by a car/truck. We see other types of scars too, maybe fight scars IDK. We don't do autopsy's on them to figure it out.
edit: the one guy use a 6.8 and the other a .308. Of coarse they have much better luck putting them down regardless of bullet type. Ear hole or spine shot doesn't really matter what type bullet you're using they'll drop right there. To everyone: I do not mean to come off as a know it all or a snob by any stretch. However when I see "Advice" given when I know it contradicts my experience, I speak up and ask questions. I have tried most ammo on the commercial market today and personally killed close to 2000 Hogs now. What I have found works second best in a .223, is 55gr. FMJ with lead core from a 1/9 twist barrel traveling at 3100 fps at the muzzle. First choice would be the Barnes in light weight form, but results are very similar to the FMJ. I have to look for far less Hogs with my current gear selection. There are reasons why this selection works great on Hogs and not so good on Deer and other thin skinned animals. But I have grown tired of the naysayers who talk, instead of do, take over the threads with their personal attacks and insecurities only to try and reinforce their decision on gear based on what they read in Guns and Ammo. I have been said to "Spray and Pray" with my shooting. I have never seen someone have their prayers answered on such a regular basis. Now the video I posted entitled "Imperial Hogs", was towards the end, Spray and Pray. You have the worst case of butthurt I have ever seen on this forum!
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: JCB]
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06/24/14 10:01 PM
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HOG RUSH
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You have the worst case of butthurt I have ever seen on this forum!
I wondered what it would take you draw you out. You still shooting Turkeys with a rifle? What a sportsman.
www.hogrush.com"There Will Be Blood" "ONE SHOT...ONE SQUEAL" Home of "Overlord"
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: HOG RUSH]
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06/24/14 10:10 PM
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You have the worst case of butthurt I have ever seen on this forum!
I wondered what it would take you draw you out. You still shooting Turkeys with a rifle? What a sportsman. Let me guess.......you are going to start telling us what we should use on Turkey now too right??
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: JCB]
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06/25/14 02:18 PM
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HOG RUSH
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Let me guess.......you are going to start telling us what we should use on Turkey now too right??
Yes, all Guns and Ammo reading Douchebags should use a rifle. Everyone else use a turkey call and a 12 ga. Shotgun. Preferably with #4 Turkey Shot.
www.hogrush.com"There Will Be Blood" "ONE SHOT...ONE SQUEAL" Home of "Overlord"
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: HOG RUSH]
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06/25/14 02:28 PM
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: 1860.colt]
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06/25/14 05:26 PM
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He still thinks his way is the only way. Please don't confuse him.
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: 12CANSOBEER]
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06/25/14 06:14 PM
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He still thinks his way is the only way. Please don't confuse him. I think everyone here has their own opinion. My two cents are worth what you have paid for it. I do not think I have misled anyone in any way. Nor have I seen anyone here disprove anything I have posted. I do not expect you to agree with me. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. There is nothing for me to gain by posting my thoughts on this subject. I do not make or sell the ammo I use.
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: HOG RUSH]
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06/25/14 07:53 PM
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Let me guess.......you are going to start telling us what we should use on Turkey now too right??
Yes, all Guns and Ammo reading Douchebags should use a rifle. Everyone else use a turkey call and a 12 ga. Shotgun. Preferably with #4 Turkey Shot. Small minded people say small minded things. That's what I have come to expect from you. I also find that you have taken hypocrisy to a whole new level. You came into this thread whining and crying about personal attacks, know it alls, snobs, insecurities, and hijacking threads (all before any of that took place on this thread) yet you are guilty of all of the above on that same thread. Funny how that works! 
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: thruxton]
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06/25/14 08:39 PM
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Just for grins I went and pulled out the last Guns and Ammo magazine I bought. I collect old magazines from what I consider the golden era of guns. The last issue I bought and read was from 1980. Most of the information in this issue was provided by people like Elmer Keith, Craig Boddington, John Wooters, Rick Jamison, Jack Lott, Chuck Adams and some guy by the name of Peter Capstick (you ever heard of him?). Now do your best to convince me that you know more than those guys Hoggy.  Oh......I can provide a pic of this magazine if you don't believe me. Its in great condition! 
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: JCB]
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06/25/14 09:47 PM
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I also find that you have taken hypocrisy to a whole new level. You came into this thread whining and crying about personal attacks,
No whining and crying here. I like that your perception of what you posted, is what it is. I bet you feel like you "Got me". While you are thumbing through your gun rag pondering a new come back to post here tonight or this weekend, I will be out doing, not talking. One 55 gr. FMJ at the time.
www.hogrush.com"There Will Be Blood" "ONE SHOT...ONE SQUEAL" Home of "Overlord"
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: HOG RUSH]
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06/25/14 10:34 PM
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I also find that you have taken hypocrisy to a whole new level. You came into this thread whining and crying about personal attacks,
No whining and crying here. I like that your perception of what you posted, is what it is. I bet you feel like you "Got me". While you are thumbing through your gun rag pondering a new come back to post here tonight or this weekend, I will be out SPRAYING AND PRAYING, not talking. One 55 gr. FMJ at the time. Fixed it for you. I am still waiting for you to tell me why you are so much smarter than those guys I listed above. Those guys have accomplished far more than you ever will in the sport of hunting and shooting but I am suppose to ignore what they have to say and listen to some internet hog whisperer pimpin his FMJ solids as the greatest thing since sliced bread. 
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: JCB]
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06/25/14 11:00 PM
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HOG RUSH
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Just for grins I went and pulled out the last Guns and Ammo magazine I bought. I collect old magazines from what I consider the golden era of guns. The last issue I bought and read was from 1980. Most of the information in this issue was provided by people like Elmer Keith, Craig Boddington, John Wooters, Rick Jamison, Jack Lott, Chuck Adams and some guy by the name of Peter Capstick (you ever heard of him?).
[Crickets chirping] Man, you got me...[/Crickets chirping] You Win
www.hogrush.com"There Will Be Blood" "ONE SHOT...ONE SQUEAL" Home of "Overlord"
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: thruxton]
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06/26/14 03:19 AM
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Going through my stock I have some 69gr Sierra BTHP's, but they're the matchking's. Are these worth trying?
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: thruxton]
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06/26/14 03:31 AM
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Going through my stock I have some 69gr Sierra BTHP's, but they're the matchking's. Are these worth trying? Are you asking they will kill stuff? Yes. But they are unpredictable at best as far as terminal effects are concerned. One projectile will fragment violently and the next will not deform at all. Chupa
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: thruxton]
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06/26/14 11:28 AM
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Hey you two (Hog and JCB), KNOCK IT OFF. Quit jacking up someone's thread with your immature banter. Take it somewhere else.
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: thruxton]
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06/26/14 06:06 PM
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Going through my stock I have some 69gr Sierra BTHP's, but they're the matchking's. Are these worth trying? Shot placement is critical but that is what I used here.
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Re: .223 hunters
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06/26/14 06:42 PM
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Going through my stock I have some 69gr Sierra BTHP's, but they're the matchking's. Are these worth trying? Shot placement is critical but that is what I used here. [video:youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qQJbn791as[video] Nice shot! Do you use this round regularly, and if so, how does it usually work?
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: kry226]
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06/26/14 07:10 PM
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Hey you two (Hog and JCB), KNOCK IT OFF. Quit jacking up someone's thread with your immature banter. Take it somewhere else. Yes ma'am.
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Re: .223 hunters
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06/27/14 01:47 PM
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Going through my stock I have some 69gr Sierra BTHP's, but they're the matchking's. Are these worth trying? Are you asking they will kill stuff? Yes. But they are unpredictable at best as far as terminal effects are concerned. One projectile will fragment violently and the next will not deform at all. Chupa Agreed. The key word, inconsistent. Thin jacketed bullet installed from the rear leaving an open tip. Great for longer ranges and small varmints. Most of the time when tested against a dense target, the bullet explodes into tiny non penetrating particles.
www.hogrush.com"There Will Be Blood" "ONE SHOT...ONE SQUEAL" Home of "Overlord"
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Re: .223 hunters
[Re: thruxton]
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06/27/14 01:53 PM
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Here is one of the many PM I have received on this subject that really drives the whole discussion board point home. I have excluded the persons handle, as it was a private message.:
"If there's one thing that I've learned online ... It's that you can't prove the sky is blue or that grass is green to someone who just doesn't want to see.
At one point the magazines had me so brainwashed that I wasn't sure a well placed shot from a .30-06 would kill a deer, lol. In recent years, I've come to realize that it's shot placement that counts and almost everything else is secondary. But shot placement doesn't sell magazines or new guns, and the last thing most guys want to hear is that they need more range time with their current rifle. It is what it is.
On the Accurate Reloading site a while back, there was a thread on the Alaska forum between user 458win and some other guys. Now 458win is Phil Shoemaker, a master guide who has hunted coastal brown bears professionally for over 35 years. These other "experts" were arguing with him on appropriate calibers for bear. What a joke.
Anyway, I believe you.
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