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Duval County
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12/03/08 04:33 PM
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cody2422
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Is anyone else hunting in this county around San Diego, Texas? It's our first year on the place and up until last weekend, we hadn't seen any sign of deer. We did spook up a few does and yearlings last weekend but still haven't seen any deer out of the blinds. I've heard from other people hunting South Texas that hunting doesn't turn on until mid to late December, is this correct? Also, does anyone know about what time the rut kicks in in this area? Thanks.
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Re: Duval County
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12/03/08 04:39 PM
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We are hunting pretty close to you. We hunt 330 acres just south of realitos. From what we have hear the deer numbers are very speradic in the area, some plces have lots of deer, some dont have many at all. We got lucky ours has a good number. We have hunted it for 2 years, but have yet to shoot anything, the people who hunted it before us shot every buck that walked and no does were alowed to be shot. The first year all we saw were spikes and forkhorns, but this year we are seeing a decent number of 8's, all young deer with lots of potential, going to let them wait a couple more years and see what they turn into. I will agree that the activity picks up alot more later in the season, last year we still had buck runnin does in february. Best of luck to yall.
matt
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Re: Duval County
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12/03/08 04:40 PM
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Rut all depends on the weather down there man, but depending on "real" cold fronts that get that far down, it could be as early as now, or yes, mid to late December. What a good county to be hunting in though provided the ranch you are on has not been abused. Not saying that it has at all, don't know but that is common in South Texas. Regardless of that, or let's say it has, with proper game management practice, any parcel of land can see huge increases in quality in as little as a couple of years. Hang in there, your season is just beginning and I wish you the best! 
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Re: Duval County
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12/03/08 04:51 PM
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We are in southern Mcmullen and looks a few bucks are in prerut activities.
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Re: Duval County
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12/03/08 04:56 PM
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Rut caused by weather is a myth. Deer in general move around in colder weather so hunters perceive the weather causing the rut. Deer might never breed down south if it was caused by weather. There have been studies by almost every state that dissproves this myth. That is why the rut is usually predictible but the weather is not.
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Re: Duval County
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12/03/08 04:58 PM
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cody2422
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Thanks for the response. We really didn't know what to expect from the place. We got on it kind of last minute and the landowner gave us this story about how it didn't come available till the last minute because the prior lessee's money guy fell through and they were sick about it because they had been managing it the past couple of years and had been watching several nice bucks, but we've since talked to a few of the bordering property lessee's and found out that's a bunch of crap. So hopefully we'll at least see some deer and if nothing else, I can fill my freezer with pork because there are tons of hogs.
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Re: Duval County
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12/03/08 06:16 PM
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I have a buddy that has a place down there and I think it is like any other area of the state. He has a small area and there are a lot of small areas around him so the deer get a lot of pressure. Ifthere isn't some kind of management the deer will be thinned out andgood bucks will be few and far between. I think the potential to grow big bucks in that area is better than most other areas of the state.
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Re: Duval County
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12/03/08 09:54 PM
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mid december to a little after chrismas the rut will kick in full swing.... alot of duval county has been over hunted but if you do a little managing with the niebhors youll start getting good results..... deer grow big with out supplement feeding in these parts......good luck
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Re: Duval County
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12/04/08 01:32 PM
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I have been hunting just east of Benavides for four years without seeing a mature buck. I know they are there but I think they are battle harden deer. The TPWD has the rut peaking around the middle of December but the activity I have always seen from the little forks and spikes has been around the last week of December into the New Year. I will be hunting the weekends of 12/13-14 and 12/18-22 and will report game activity so if anybody else will fill in the other dates that would be good.
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Re: Duval County
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12/04/08 06:26 PM
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We are going down to our place 12-14 through 12-16 I believe to do some huntin. We will definately do some sittin and lookin but like I said we are still nursing our deer herd back from hard hunters. More than likely will continue to work on our roads and a couple food plots in the afternoons and maybe get a hog or two to get some cookin ribs.
What we have been doing to make our place as appealing as we can is to provide as much food and water as we can. On our 330 acres we have 4 proteen feeders, 4 corn feeders a tank and two huge water troughs(20' cement round in the pasture)that draw them in. This combined with trying to keep the place as quiet as we can pulls lots of deer from neighbors. Next year will have 2 or maybe 3 irrigated food plots, this combined with the hopefully aging structure of our deer herd will bring out some good bucks.
matt
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Re: Duval County
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12/04/08 08:05 PM
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I am heading out in about two hours as long as the guys at the shop can finish my truck in time. With the cold temps in the morning, I'm thinking we should at least see some deer moving around, might not see any shooters, but it beats the hell out of working. I'll post a report when I get back on Monday, plus I've had my game cam out for two weeks now so I'm pretty excited to see whats moving around.
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Re: Duval County
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12/05/08 02:34 PM
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Quote:
We are going down to our place 12-14 through 12-16 I believe to do some huntin. We will definately do some sittin and lookin but like I said we are still nursing our deer herd back from hard hunters. More than likely will continue to work on our roads and a couple food plots in the afternoons and maybe get a hog or two to get some cookin ribs.
What we have been doing to make our place as appealing as we can is to provide as much food and water as we can. On our 330 acres we have 4 proteen feeders, 4 corn feeders a tank and two huge water troughs(20' cement round in the pasture)that draw them in. This combined with trying to keep the place as quiet as we can pulls lots of deer from neighbors. Next year will have 2 or maybe 3 irrigated food plots, this combined with the hopefully aging structure of our deer herd will bring out some good bucks.
matt
thats a pretty sound idea.
if you have water you will have deer. give it time, you will have bigger and better bucks. buddy of mine bought a place in mcmullen county in the early 90's and the biggest deer on the place was a 140 in ten, now supplementing with protien and food plots they have killed a few in the 190-200 range
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Re: Duval County
[Re: Txduckman]
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12/05/08 04:23 PM
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Quote:
Rut caused by weather is a myth. Deer in general move around in colder weather so hunters perceive the weather causing the rut. Deer might never breed down south if it was caused by weather. There have been studies by almost every state that dissproves this myth. That is why the rut is usually predictible but the weather is not.
Splittin hairs dude, but you are right, just saying that a good cold snap helps deer movement. So, in all these studies, what triggers the rut doctor? 
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Re: Duval County
[Re: Txduckman]
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12/05/08 05:09 PM
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Quote:
Rut caused by weather is a myth. Deer in general move around in colder weather so hunters perceive the weather causing the rut. Deer might never breed down south if it was caused by weather. There have been studies by almost every state that dissproves this myth. That is why the rut is usually predictible but the weather is not.
Some decent reading here:
You should also be aware that much what is reported as fact is actually theory. We simply do not know all the answers about why deer do whatever it is they do or when they do it.
Generally speaking bucks are capable of reproduction the moment they shed their antler velvet. But the does are not ready at that time. We have identified four stages that lead up to the peak-rut, where most does are ready to be breed, or follow that period.
Pre-Rut As the temperatures begin to fall the bucks shed the antler velvet and begin their sparing matches. These are not life and death fights but simply a push and shove affair where bucks get rid of some frustration and test their competitors. It’s almost a joke on the bucks from Mother Nature that they are ready to breed but the does aren’t. At this time bucks still live together in bachelor groups.
Chasing Phase About two to four weeks after the Pre Rut the chasing phase begins. The mature bucks begin now to leave the buck groups and lead a live in solitude, beginning to follow the does around, chasing them. At about this time the does begin to produce pheromones as the estrus nears. It is believed that this pheromones advertising the estrus cycle causes bucks to produce more male hormones.
At first bucks follow the does in some distance, shadowing the does. While there may be several bucks that follow a doe, it will be the dominant bucks that follow the doe at a close distance. As the doe nears her full estrus cycle the bucks chase becomes more intensified.
The Rut The estrus period, where a doe is most fertile, only lasts about 24 hours. The doe will now stand still for the buck rather than run away from him the moment he tries to come very close to her. She will now tolerate that the buck mounts her. After breeding the buck will stay with that doe throughout her estrus period before he goes off to find a new estrus doe, commonly referred to as “doe in heat”. Bucks breed several does in a very short time frame. Not all the does come in heat at exactly the same day.
If a doe has not been breed the first time she will come in heat again after 28 days. Researchers have found that some does can go trough six to seven estrus cycles. However, most does are breed the first time around.
It is the few does that repeat their estrus cycles in 28 days that lead up to the post rut.
Post Rut The post rut is the same as the Rut but very much less intensive as the first rut. Bucks are still wandering about and checking out doe feeding and bedding areas to find the last un-breed doe.
What triggers the rut? As I said before the doe entering the estrus cycle triggers the rut. The next question then would what makes the doe come into the estrus cycle? Well there are many different opinion and theories. In my experience, that is shared by many experts. The trigger is a sharp drop in temperature. The first cold snap may be what causes the doe to come into estrus. This also would explain why the rut takes place at different times in different areas and years. While in the north the rut may come with the first frost of the year in the south it may be just the difference of a few degrees in temperature. There are also theories that the moon plays some part in the rut too, but I have no data or experience to verify this phenomenon.
Spoon 
At any rate, in my experience, a 45 degree day with light mist will produce a good hunt percentage wise.JMO
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Re: Duval County
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12/05/08 06:23 PM
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So is that entire post just your opinion, or just the bit about the 45 degrees and light mist, because there are lots of things you said that I dont think quite stack up.
matt
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Re: Duval County
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12/08/08 04:12 PM
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Well how did the trip go, or are yall still out?
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Re: Duval County
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12/10/08 02:50 AM
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Actually just got through grinding up some pork sausage. I got in my blind Friday morning and to my dismay, around day light, I could make out the legs of my feeder sticking up in the air. Luckily, I'm guessing the pigs knocked it over and not the cows, because the cows have destroyed a few other feeders on the lease before we built feeder pens. I thought maybe I might have caught the culprit in the act because I had my game cam set up on the feeder, but after downloading the pics, 90 percent of them were of coons spinning corn out on the ground and eating for about 6 hours straight. I swear in one picture it looks like one of them is using a stick, smart little suckers. So no feeder and no deer Friday morning. I shot about a 280 pound pig Friday night. Saturday morning I had a doe and two yearlings come out but that was about it as far as deer activity the whole weekend. I went walking and scouting and couldn't find any sign of buck activity. Thinking about heading back down in about two weeks, hopefully the rut will be kicked in by then and maybe our luck will change.
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Re: Duval County
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12/15/08 09:42 PM
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Just east of Benavides. A quick update on the deer activity for the 12-13 and 12-14.
I saw plenty of young forks and spikes sparing and pushing each other around. The "dominate" 4 point locked horns with another young buck and rolled around in the mesquites for a good fight. The does still had the yearlings with them and the young bucks showed no intrest in them. Did not see any mature bucks that weekend. I will be back down 12-17 through 12-22 and I will report back the findings.
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Re: Duval County
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12/15/08 10:23 PM
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but if you haven't seen any mature bucks or any bucks at all you probably won't see any. The rut has been going on for the past two weeks or so. Your best bet is to hope and pray something strays across during the post rut. Most small places in South Texas are and have been shot out. The guy that leased it to you was a sheister. The guy was flat out lying to you when he said the previous hunters were managing the place because on a low fence property you need at least 5000 acres to have a chance at managing. The sheisters always have a good story why the place suddenly became available.
On every decent place I've hunted in South Texas you would see deer all the time. Not just during the rut. The best hunting is early in the season when you can find and pattern a particular buck. Look at most of the deer contests and you will see that the biggest bucks are usually killed early in the season.
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Re: Duval County
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12/18/08 02:16 AM
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dont really know about duval but east in jim wells saw a buck running a doe this moring while checking the cattle wasnt huge but he was running her , if this helps....
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Re: Duval County
[Re: texasd]
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12/18/08 02:23 AM
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Something to try: do some spot and stalk hunts. Maybe even try rattling. In South Texas, if you don't see anything, you gotta hunt aggressively.
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Re: Duval County
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12/18/08 12:26 PM
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I live in Jim Wells county, does anyone know of any leases available in or around the area for next year? please let me know. Thanks, Adam
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