So what is a lease? Are you paying for NP's experience or the wall trophy?
Its a tresspass use fee, plain and simple

OMG - Yall have done it again hehehe.Let me stir the pot a little.I think high fence and low fence hunting is for babies.Come on down to the national forrest with me next year and lets see if you all can even get any kind of deer - much less a buck!!
This is hunting on the ground with the deer and no baiting whatsoever and these deer are smarter than your average bear.
Most guys I've seen will hunt a few times and then swear they ain't no deer in the forrest and go back to huntin them pet deer.
I think they just scarred of getting in the woods!! hehehehe

Not really. Lease just gains access to land regardless of shooting anything or not. So lets talk trophy fees based on B&C scores..... does someone somehow trespass differently to shoot different classes of deer to make the price different? Lets talk deer auctions........

Why are non hunting guests billed at $100-200/day to cover lodging and meals. Shouldn't that be the trespass fee for the hunter too if the deer are being privately sold?

it cost more to access the special section of the ranch to get said deer

Deer auctions aren't state owned deer.

Just like a bed and breakfast, lodging/meals

So ppl are making $ not off of trespassing, but on hunting?


How are any deer not owned by the State?

You drop a smuggled buck in from KS with all those non-state owned deer and let them find out about it I'd be willing to bet the State shoots them all to flex on ownership. It wouldn't suprise me if that hasn't happened before.

State is steward/trustee for the public. Just like on other public things.

With politicians doing the appointing it makes for poor stewardship.

Can't agrue that..lol

Yall have a good night,

Can't disagree. On the HF deal I call it complete abdication.

You are right. I have no pen deer on my wall. I am otherwise a fairly seasoned hunter and a landowner. Don't worry. I hunt up where the deer get large without being unrestricted behind a HF. I am a lovely guy, so I kept the velvet gloves on while replying.

This is ridiculous! Name calling? Accusing some one of having no experience? Saying that those who don't agree with high fences have their nosed turned up at those who do? This started as a discussion! Not a 3 rd grade argument! Look I take the outdoors extremely seriously and I would imagine most on this forum feel the same. The outdoors is more than just a hobby, it's part of what makes us and who we are. We should be able to discuss! For or against HF

We did and we got called inexperienced.


I remember this topic in 2005. It is what made me stop reading and become a member. The argument hasn't changed, just the participants. M16 and this other old guy had some friggin classic battles about this and everything else. It will be ok. Next year NP and I will still be anti HF and we will still be getting hammered for it.

The sun will rise tomorrow.

Its all good.

Or even better, half the ones arguing for will be against simply because that is where the better argument is. I have seen them change mid thread. I am not going to name any names, but there are some on here that argue just for the sake of arguing...

I'm guessing you two own matching camo shirts, now that you've put away your maroon and burnt orange ones!

I can talk out both sides of my mouth & my posterior on this one. The better argument for the sake of hunting and sportsmanship will always be on the LF side. We want to talk landowner rights it'll be on the HF side. We want to discuss best managers it'll be on the LF side. Want to talk about the best TX has to offer it'll be on the East side

Honestly, I participate because 1)it's fun and 2)I do hope to influence the readers (not much hope for the participants). AA seems like a wonderful kid. But his screen name and "High Fence Rocks!" mantra tells me sadly what hunting is fast becoming. And I will not go down quietly.

Nogales Prairie makes a lot sense in my opinion. But everyone is obviously going to have their own opinion

Amen.

And I havent even commented on this thread and I still get called out......

Its all in good fun Nog. have followed entire thread and our opinions will always differ. I do see both sides and hunt both LF and HF and have had all sorts of experiences with hunting on both places and do not feel more worthy taking a buck off LF property more than HF. So many factors went into deciding to build HF and for us it has been a true joy and blessing and i defend that