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 Is this true about the Remington 700?
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I went to a website I usually visit: LiveLeak http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f5c_1390262705Someone posted this video along with the commentary: Posted as a public service for owners of the Remington 700 .30-06 and its ongoing misfire problem. Round was chambered, safety set to SAFE. Shooter pulled trigger with safety ON, realized his mistake, and when he switches safety to FIRE the rifle discharges by itself. This is a documented issue with Remington 700 rifles.But then again, there's a lot of libs that post such nonsense on this website. From the looks of it, the shooter had his finger in the triggerguard and must've fired it as soon as he flipped from SAFE to FIRE.
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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01/23/14 09:37 PM
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I'm not sure if that is the problem, but I do seem to remember a problem with some of the 700's firing even on safe under certain conditions... I'm sure someone will come along and correct or elaborate on my post though.
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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01/23/14 09:37 PM
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Looks like he dumb arsed it to me.
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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01/23/14 09:39 PM
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I'm not sure if that is the problem, but I do seem to remember a problem with some of the 700's firing even on safe under certain conditions... I'm sure someone will come along and correct or elaborate on my post though. One of the reasons all Remingtons come with a priority coating over the adjustment screws on the trigger. People didn't know what they were doing and created a dangerous situation.
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
[Re: AdanV]
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01/23/14 09:47 PM
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kind of a big deal
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Guys an idiot. Kept his finger on the trigger, then rotated the gun putting enough pressure on trigger to fire.
Take your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot again
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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01/23/14 10:01 PM
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Guys an idiot. Kept his finger on the trigger, then rotated the gun putting enough pressure on trigger to fire.
Take your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot again My thoughts exactly.
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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01/23/14 10:05 PM
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Looks like he dumb arsed it to me.
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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01/23/14 10:05 PM
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Guys an idiot. Kept his finger on the trigger, then rotated the gun putting enough pressure on trigger to fire.
Take your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot again
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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01/23/14 10:08 PM
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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01/23/14 10:29 PM
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This is/was a real issue. Remington even did free trigger replacements back in the early to mid-90's to fix the situation, if I remember correctly. I think it involved M700's manufactured from early 70's to late 70's or maybe early 80's, but can't remember for sure. I remember this because my dad had a 700 Remington and we looked into it. It was made prior so didn't need repair. Someone will please correct me if I'm wrong, but I also think this is when they started covering the adjustment screws on their triggers with their proprietary coating so they could tell whether it had been tampered with or not.
edited to add: I think it all came to a head when a guy accidentally shot his wife or daughter or something. The victim was inside a camper, shooter was outside. He came in from hunting, went to clear his rifle and it went off when he released the safety to cycle the bolt.
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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01/23/14 10:49 PM
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this had been on the new yrs past, was some interesting points on both sides
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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01/23/14 10:53 PM
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Remington had a response to this issue (CNBC was the first big news source to cover it I think). Here is a link to a bunch of videos on the 700, and one of the first videos is their response. http://www.remington700.tv/
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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01/23/14 10:55 PM
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This is/was a real issue. Remington even did free trigger replacements back in the early to mid-90's to fix the situation, if I remember correctly. I think it involved M700's manufactured from early 70's to late 70's or maybe early 80's, but can't remember for sure. I remember this because my dad had a 700 Remington and we looked into it. It was made prior so didn't need repair. Someone will please correct me if I'm wrong, but I also think this is when they started covering the adjustment screws on their triggers with their proprietary coating so they could tell whether it had been tampered with or not.
edited to add: I think it all came to a head when a guy accidentally shot his wife or daughter or something. The victim was inside a camper, shooter was outside. He came in from hunting, went to clear his rifle and it went off when he released the safety to cycle the bolt. Think that was 600 or 660 recall
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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01/23/14 11:07 PM
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Yes, this is a true condition with 700 triggers. I have tested unaltered 700 triggers to see if I can get them to fire when the safety is released. YES, they will fire when the safety is released, especially when you have pulled the trigger with the safety on. This is caused by the way the trigger is setup to not allow the bolt to be opened when the safety is on in order to clear the weapon. A dirty trigger group will cause the rifle to fire under these conditions. Pulling the trigger with the safety on will cause a dirty or worn disconnector to move enough to release the sear when the safety is moved to off. Remington will still fix your trigger to allow the bolt to be opened when the safety is on. Most gunsmiths will not make the necessary alterations to the trigger because of liability issues.
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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01/23/14 11:20 PM
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Interesting, I'll have to look into this since I have a couple 700s from the '80s.
One had trigger work done to make it lighter since I have limited feeling in my finger tip, and the other is untouched and hasn't been fired in almost 30 years.
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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01/23/14 11:30 PM
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Yes, this is a true condition with 700 triggers. I have tested unaltered 700 triggers to see if I can get them to fire when the safety is released. YES, they will fire when the safety is released, especially when you have pulled the trigger with the safety on. This is caused by the way the trigger is setup to not allow the bolt to be opened when the safety is on in order to clear the weapon. A dirty trigger group will cause the rifle to fire under these conditions. Pulling the trigger with the safety on will cause a dirty or worn disconnector to move enough to release the sear when the safety is moved to off. Remington will still fix your trigger to allow the bolt to be opened when the safety is on. Most gunsmiths will not make the necessary alterations to the trigger because of liability issues. You sure? because the video posted above indicates the people trying to sue Remington because of family deaths have never been able to make it happen on un altered good condition rifles. Im thinking you could make a lot of money if you can make it happen...
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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01/23/14 11:49 PM
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I went to a website I usually visit: LiveLeak http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f5c_1390262705Someone posted this video along with the commentary: Posted as a public service for owners of the Remington 700 .30-06 and its ongoing misfire problem. Round was chambered, safety set to SAFE. Shooter pulled trigger with safety ON, realized his mistake, and when he switches safety to FIRE the rifle discharges by itself. This is a documented issue with Remington 700 rifles.But then again, there's a lot of libs that post such nonsense on this website. From the looks of it, the shooter had his finger in the triggerguard and must've fired it as soon as he flipped from SAFE to FIRE. This incident was 100% shooter induced. Didn't matter who's gun / trigger it was. 
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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01/24/14 12:25 AM
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Been shooting 721's, 722's and 700's for over 50 years and I've yet to see one go off accidently when the safety was pushed to the on position. You would have to seriously screw up the trigger to make that happen. Had that man pointed that rifle at another person when that happen does anybody here seriously believe he would have admitted to having his finger on the trigger?
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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01/24/14 12:35 AM
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Been shooting 721's, 722's and 700's for over 50 years and I've yet to see one go off accidently when the safety was pushed to the on position. You would have to seriously screw up the trigger to make that happen. Had that man pointed that rifle at another person when that happen does anybody here seriously believe he would have admitted to having his finger on the trigger? +1 he was probably embarassed, so he told his friends it must have been the gun.
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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01/24/14 01:12 AM
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Remington 700s will and do kill people every day on their own. There is no way to fix them and they are all laible to kill. PM me for the address to ship them to so that I may dispose of the defective rifles for you.
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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Been shooting 721's, 722's and 700's for over 50 years and I've yet to see one go off accidently when the safety was pushed to the on position. You would have to seriously screw up the trigger to make that happen. Had that man pointed that rifle at another person when that happen does anybody here seriously believe he would have admitted to having his finger on the trigger? My dad bought a used 700 from a dealer that used to be on Beltline Rd off 175, don't remember the name of it now. It's one of the older ones where the bolt will open w/o it on fire. I racked the bolt a cpl times then moved the safety to the fire position with the same hand I racked the bolt with and we heard the click. I was able to duplicate it every time after that. Luckily I had never put any ammo in it. Took it back to dealer and their smith took it apart and adjusted the trigger group and the rifle has never done it again.
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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Yes, this is a true condition with 700 triggers. I have tested unaltered 700 triggers to see if I can get them to fire when the safety is released. YES, they will fire when the safety is released, especially when you have pulled the trigger with the safety on. This is caused by the way the trigger is setup to not allow the bolt to be opened when the safety is on in order to clear the weapon. A dirty trigger group will cause the rifle to fire under these conditions. Pulling the trigger with the safety on will cause a dirty or worn disconnector to move enough to release the sear when the safety is moved to off. Remington will still fix your trigger to allow the bolt to be opened when the safety is on. Most gunsmiths will not make the necessary alterations to the trigger because of liability issues. You sure? because the video posted above indicates the people trying to sue Remington because of family deaths have never been able to make it happen on un altered good condition rifles. Im thinking you could make a lot of money if you can make it happen... Geezer is correct. Both he and I have been able to duplicate the condition he describes with pre X-Mark 700 triggers. Most folks will not take the time to study the trigger system and see what the issue is. He did and showed me how to accomplish the fix. Pretty simple and it works very well, now all of my 700's have the mod done and they are safe.
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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TTH, I'd be interested in knowing more about the problem and the solution. Does anyone have a link to photos or drawings illustrating the issue?
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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I have personally seen this happen. I knew a guy that shot his 270 inside his house by accident. He has a weatherby and is use to placing the safety to fire before he opens the bolt. I know the gun shouldn't of been loaded but it was and he was going to unload it in his house and he placed the safety to fire. As soon as he did the gun went off. I checked the gun out for myself and while unloaded every single time you closed the bolt and placed the gun on fire it would go off. No finger on the trigger. He replaced the trigger and has been fine ever since.
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Re: Is this true about the Remington 700?
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TTH, I'd be interested in knowing more about the problem and the solution. Does anyone have a link to photos or drawings illustrating the issue? PM inbound.
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