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I think I am over stocked on deer. Had my last 2 hunters for this season this morning. Final count for 360 acres. 8 Whitetail bucks, 7 Does and 2 Axis bucks.

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Just making room for more..up


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8 bucks on 360 acres? Hopefully some were spikes or culls and not all good bucks. You must have large neighbors with low fences.

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Originally Posted By: Aboud
8 bucks on 360 acres? Hopefully some were spikes or culls and not all good bucks. You must have large neighbors with low fences.
HF

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And I wanted to thank all that came hunting this year. As you all know I primarily raise Ibex, but there are Whitetail on the place. I don't do a lot of extra feeding but the Whitetail are as good or better than most places in the area around here. Actually better because they get a chance, not like the LF places in this area. I don't pressure the hunters on taking a deer. I usually put them in a stand and they are the ones with the rifle and the option to take or not take. In all the years of doing this I have had only one complaint and I dismissed it as stupid. Once again thanks to those that came and hope to see you again next year. Donald

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What was the complaint?


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Originally Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks
What was the complaint?
He came hunting and wanted to make it a weekend hunt. Staying in my cabin for the weekend for free. On the Saturday morning of his arrival he said he wanted to take some does. I showed him several but he did not take them. Then got him on a 6 point management buck for which I told him he could have for $300. He shot it. Went back to the cabin to get him for the afternoon hunt and he told me that I had made him take the buck and the $300 was all the money he had. He said that he had really wanted to shoot some does. I told him he was the one that pulled the trigger not me and that I had put him on several does he could have taken. That is when he said that he had wanted to make it a weekend hunt Sat. and Sunday but now I had ruined it. That is when I escorted him off the place and locked the gate.

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How much do you charge for WT hunts? Sounds like a good place to go.

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Sorry don, that guys was an azz, your a better man than me.


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$300 for a 6 point buck ? I realize I'm from NY but I think that's a real fair price...just saying


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I rarely even have gas money, so $300 for a management buck is outta my league, but I don't really think he had the kind of complaint that will run off future hunters. Sounds like he's a low budget guy like me, that wanted to hunt a high end place and didn't realize what he'd gotten himself into. Not your fault, not entirely his, just a misunderstanding based on different expectations. He probably spent months scrimping and saving to come up with $300 and thought hunting on a high fence place meant he could watch monstrous bucks walk by and take pictures or at least make memories and enjoy a whole weekend in the woods. Instead he climbed up in a blind, and blew his whole wad on one deer and had nothing left of the weeked by noon, and no deer worth bragging about and half the meat he wanted. On your side , you thought you had a guy that wanted to shoot deer and couldn't afford a trophy and you got him on plenty of deer by lunch time. What more could he want? Just sounds like a misunderstanding to me. That's why I try not to pay to hunt. I'd rather hunt over pressured low fence small places for free and spend a whole weekend outside alone holding a gun than pay money to shoot fish in a barrel and be broke by lunch. My funnest trips are not the ones where I kill something the first morning.

All that said, if I had money, I'd be leasing a LARGE place with nobody on it a I didn't have t worry about getting shot, and it would be well managed, and I'd live there for the whole season.

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Originally Posted By: ImBillT
I rarely even have gas money, so $300 for a management buck is outta my league, but I don't really think he had the kind of complaint that will run off future hunters. Sounds like he's a low budget guy like me, that wanted to hunt a high end place and didn't realize what he'd gotten himself into. Not your fault, not entirely his, just a misunderstanding based on different expectations. He probably spent months scrimping and saving to come up with $300 and thought hunting on a high fence place meant he could watch monstrous bucks walk by and take pictures or at least make memories and enjoy a whole weekend in the woods. Instead he climbed up in a blind, and blew his whole wad on one deer and had nothing left of the weeked by noon, and no deer worth bragging about and half the meat he wanted. On your side , you thought you had a guy that wanted to shoot deer and couldn't afford a trophy and you got him on plenty of deer by lunch time. What more could he want? Just sounds like a misunderstanding to me. That's why I try not to pay to hunt. I'd rather hunt over pressured low fence small places for free and spend a whole weekend outside alone holding a gun than pay money to shoot fish in a barrel and be broke by lunch. My funnest trips are not the ones where I kill something the first morning.

All that said, if I had money, I'd be leasing a LARGE place with nobody on it a I didn't have t worry about getting shot, and it would be well managed, and I'd live there for the whole season.
For one thing I do not run a so called "High End" operation. I charge $100 a point for a buck and $100 for a doe. I do not charge a guide or trespass fee. I do not advertise that I have large Whitetail. I post pictures on here of the type of bucks I do have so that no ones time, the hunters or mine is wasted hunting a 150" Buck. The person I was speaking of had PMed me numerous times asking about the place, what was cost of deer. At first he and his FIL were coming. Then it was only him but his FIL had given him plenty of money to take bucks and does. You can ask anyone on this forum that has hunted here. I do not pressure anyone to take something they do not want nor do I advertise anything I do not have. Also you must have no idea what it cost to keep up a piece of property.$300 for a Whitetail Buck is chicken feed to the overall operation.

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ImBillT ,

Your a joke.

Its guys like you that need to pull your head out of your butt.
Budget, save your money an stop whining about how you don't have
any money to spend on hunts. Your going to have to spend money to
get quality be it a high fence place or a good lease that you have to
put a lot of money in to raise the quality of deer.

If you rarely have gas money, then your really not making good choices.


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Sounds like the guy was an azz. $300 for any buck in Texas is a gift


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You were right to dismiss the complaint. Sounds like he just couldn't let an animal walk, he just had to pull the trigger and was hoping to get some sympathy does from you...Your prices are MORE than fair. More than most can even ask for.

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tap the brakes everybody...why so quick to post insults?


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Originally Posted By: Lonnie Paul Walker Jr.
ImBillT ,

Your a joke.

Its guys like you that need to pull your head out of your butt.
Budget, save your money an stop whining about how you don't have
any money to spend on hunts. Your going to have to spend money to
get quality be it a high fence place or a good lease that you have to
put a lot of money in to raise the quality of deer.

If you rarely have gas money, then your really not making good choices.


Whoa, slow down. I just said it sounded like he may not have understood what he was going to be doing. A later post by the OP sounds like he probably did know what to expect.

Secondly, I didn't say anyone did anything wrong.

Thirdly, I'm not whining about not having money to spend on hunts, I was trying to show what things might have looked like from the other person's point of view. Heck, I don't wanna go hunt high fence from a blind around a feeder anyway. Believe me I'm not whining about not being able to afford to get on a lease. I have two places to hunt muledeer for free, loads of places to hunt hogs, coyotes and birds for free, and three places to hunt whitetails for free. Two whitetail places are only available when my friend's are there and only spikes and does. The third place is tiny and about to be closed to hunting permanently. It ain't dream hunting, but I love it. I've hunted high fence, and I've hunted from blinds over feeders and it's not my bag.

Fourthly, I meant gas money to go deer hunting(nearest public land for rifle deer is 8hrs away) not gas money in general. I'm basically the sole provider of my family(the wife just graduated college, but works in fast food) between us we have $581 a month in student loans, and $370 in vehicle payments. That may not sound like a lot, but we're trying to save to buy our firs house and there just isn't much left every month when you bring home less than $2400 after taxes. I worked side jobs on nights and weekends all summer and we have managed to save some money and I'm about to pay off my wife's car a year early. Now you tell me if I need to be spending money on deer, or If I need to hunt the place behind my in-law's that the land owner doesn't do anything with? Again , not once did I complain. I'm happy to hunt little spots no one thinks has any deer. I'm blessed to have been given permission to hunt where I was going to be for Christmas anyway. I never said the land owner did anything wrong. I just said maybe each person expected something different. I can't justify paying to hunt right now, but one day when I can I'm sure I'll want to lease big place with plenty of deer and limited hunters, and I have nothing against people who can lease a nice place. I do however enjoy the two to seven days a year that I can go visit someone with a little land and some deer. It's usually just does or spikes , but they eat good and it still gets me outta the city. I literally only meant that the guy buying the deer might have expected something different, and might have been happier on some over hunted public land. In no way did I mean that OP cheated or wronged the buyer in any way.

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Imbill, don't worry about Lonnie he's the joke, wanna be outfitter and guide. Guys with any respectable operation don't go bashing people on line.

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Imbill, don't worry about Lonnie he's the joke, wanna be outfitter and guide. Guys with any respectful operation don't go bashing people on line.


Whoa he never said who the guy was so I can respect that


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Originally Posted By: ImBillT
I rarely even have gas money, so $300 for a management buck is outta my league, but I don't really think he had the kind of complaint that will run off future hunters. Sounds like he's a low budget guy like me, that wanted to hunt a high end place and didn't realize what he'd gotten himself into. Not your fault, not entirely his, just a misunderstanding based on different expectations. He probably spent months scrimping and saving to come up with $300 and thought hunting on a high fence place meant he could watch monstrous bucks walk by and take pictures or at least make memories and enjoy a whole weekend in the woods. Instead he climbed up in a blind, and blew his whole wad on one deer and had nothing left of the weeked by noon, and no deer worth bragging about and half the meat he wanted. On your side , you thought you had a guy that wanted to shoot deer and couldn't afford a trophy and you got him on plenty of deer by lunch time. What more could he want? Just sounds like a misunderstanding to me. That's why I try not to pay to hunt. I'd rather hunt over pressured low fence small places for free and spend a whole weekend outside alone holding a gun than pay money to shoot fish in a barrel and be broke by lunch. My funnest trips are not the ones where I kill something the first morning.

All that said, if I had money, I'd be leasing a LARGE place with nobody on it a I didn't have t worry about getting shot, and it would be well managed, and I'd live there for the whole season.


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Originally Posted By: Lonnie Paul Walker Jr.
ImBillT ,

Your a joke.

Its guys like you that need to pull your head out of your butt.
Budget, save your money an stop whining about how you don't have
any money to spend on hunts. Your going to have to spend money to
get quality be it a high fence place or a good lease that you have to
put a lot of money in to raise the quality of deer.

If you rarely have gas money, then your really not making good choices.





Looks like he said It to Imbillt.

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I see some of you don't know me.

I am the one up in your face if need be telling you the truth so
there is no doubt where I stand at any given moment.

Imbill, I try this again. What think is funny is you say you don't have $300 for
a hunt. I can just about promise you that you spend that much on your free leases.
When you figure in time, fuel, an all the little extras getting prepared. If you put
a pencil to it, I think you will be very surprised with the results. Its all about
economics now days in anything we do in life. You say you did no whining, but by saying
there is no way you could afford it an talking about your fuel, that is to me.
Dons operation is really forward, hard to misunderstand black an white. Dons
a straight shooter an takes pride in his place. I see it no other way. We all have
bills an issues with the way our government is now days. We all have to be better
at pushing a pencil an budgeting through out the year. Its the choices we make every day
that will benefit or hurt your future. Not calling ya out, just to the point.

An Fisher, its okay little buddy. Your entitled to your opinion. Its all good, LOL.


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What was the complaint?
He came hunting and wanted to make it a weekend hunt. Staying in my cabin for the weekend for free. On the Saturday morning of his arrival he said he wanted to take some does. I showed him several but he did not take them. Then got him on a 6 point management buck for which I told him he could have for $300. He shot it. Went back to the cabin to get him for the afternoon hunt and he told me that I had made him take the buck and the $300 was all the money he had. He said that he had really wanted to shoot some does. I told him he was the one that pulled the trigger not me and that I had put him on several does he could have taken. That is when he said that he had wanted to make it a weekend hunt Sat. and Sunday but now I had ruined it. That is when I escorted him off the place and locked the gate.


I had a situation like that once years ago.

guy stated he did not want to shoot an axis, just hogs. So he got in a blind and shot the first axis he saw(without me their). There was a break over point, anything over 30" was more money, well he happened to get one that was 32". Well after he shot it, after it was down he decided he wanted to argue the price.

Some people just are never happy


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Very true TT 85. All you can do is the best you can. If the ones you piss off are less than the ones you satisfy you are ahead of the game. I don't do this for a living anymore thank goodness. I don't even raise my Ibex for a living thank goodness. I am retired and I enjoy doing both. Except when some AH comes along and thinks I owe them more than I think I do. Again, thanks for the people that came this year hunting and thanks for all that bought some of my Ibex. I will be here again next year. I try my best but I can't piss everybody off. Don K

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