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Re: One for the ages
[Re: SR025]
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12/10/13 04:42 AM
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Jeff Elder
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My buddy and I's coastal adventure.
5:00 am arrive at hunting spot
5:10 am 10 year old kids of the other hunters start hitting each other.
5:12 am dad of 10 year asks what they are doing, kids say boxing but it was ok because "we are hitting below the shoulders only" dad says ok just don't hit in the face.
5:30 am arrive at the field we are hunting. Guides have approximately 20% of the decoys set up.
5:35 am my buddy and I along with other clients are told to start putting up decoys.
5:45 am female who has never hunted before (who didn't have a gun and was only with husband) told to not put decoys out in such a straight line.
6:00 am still putting out decoys.
6:25 am buddy and I push guides four wheeler and trailer while he drives because it is stuck.
6:45 am finally get to sit down to prepare to "hunt"
7:00 am 10 year old points shotgun at me.
7:02 am 10 year old points shotgun at me for the second time.
7:05 am 10 year olds dad points shotgun at me.
7:25 am first big group of geese begin working, 10 year old fidgeting around. Birds flare and fly away.
7:30 am 10 year old points gun at my buddy and I again.
7:40-8:00 am several more groups fly around but flare.
8:05 am first goose killed by group of 8 hunters
8:10 am more bird flare.
8:20 am 10 year old points gun at back of his dads head with finger on the trigger.
8:30 am 10 year old points gun at my buddy and I......again.
8:35 am one more goose down.
9:00 am group of approx 1,000 geese flying around.... All flare, so pass shots at 60 yards are taken.
9:15 am another large group working 10 year old attempts to mouth call geese but sounds like a cat being waterboarded. All flare. More long pass shots taken
9:25 am one more bird down. Only bird to light all day.
9:30 am 10 year old begins barking at geese.
9:45 am geese working so 10 year old begins yelling "here goosey goosey!" And continues barking at said geese(because it worked so well the first time).
10:00 am fourth bird down for group of 8.
10:15 am 10 year old sees sandhill cranes and says he wants to shoot them. Guide says cranes can't be shot now, 10 year says "I don't care, ill shoot it anyway!" Dad laughs.
10:20 am 10 year old shoots(3 shots) at unknown song bird, missed.. Dad laughs
10:30 am final bird down for group.
11:00 am 10 year old wants to start shooting black birds or anything else flying.
11:15 am 10 year old extra fidgety an points gun at almost everyone. Dad says to take the shell out of the chamber. 10 year old takes shell out of the chamber and continues lasering everyone. Dad says nothing else since gun is "unloaded"
11:30 am group told to start picking up decoys.
11:45 am female client corrected on how to pick up decoys, while guides sit/stand by 4 wheeler.
12:00 pm 10 year old takes shotgun out of dads case and points at everyone. Guide yells "what are you doing!" Dad slowly reacts and says "put that away"
12:15 pm guide gets 4 wheeler stuck....again.
12:30 pm finish long walk back to the car.
12:45 pm the day is mercifully over begin long drive back home.
This was one for the ages. Total of 8 clients killed a total of 5 birds. 1 bird of out the approximately 10,000 seen landed. I realize birds don't always cooperate but with all the fidgeting and weird noises made I don't blame the geese for not coming in. We stopped keeping track of how many times we were lasered. I've never seen such unsafe gun handling. My buddy and I hunt public several times a week and thought it would nice to make the long drive south for a guided goose hunt. I wish we would have just gone to the X probably would have killed more birds. Definitely wouldn't have had a gun pointed at me and wouldn't have had to take so many pass shots. I have no problem with kids hunting, heck I encourage it, but it's bs if your kids are ruining a hunt people are paying for. The kid was making all sorts of noises and talking loudly the entire time and was never once told to be quiet. I thank all that is holy I am able to write this and am not dead.
On a positive note the guides dog was pretty awesome.
You paid head boat price expecting a 70 ft Bertram trip. You got what you paid for sadly
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Re: One for the ages
[Re: Jeff Elder]
#4823754
12/10/13 04:48 AM
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SR025
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I definitely expected something different, went on a hunt with you jeff probably 3-4 years ago and it was great just a long drive.
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Re: One for the ages
[Re: SR025]
#4823768
12/10/13 04:53 AM
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Jeff Elder
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Goose guides down there are all about numbers. I talked with one and was just blown away by their attitude. Quote " there are 12 million people in the city of Houston, why would I care " That's what you are dealing with.
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Re: One for the ages
[Re: Jeff Elder]
#4823775
12/10/13 04:58 AM
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SR025
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Goose guides down there are all about numbers. I talked with one and was just blown away by their attitude. Quote " there are 12 million people in the city of Houston, why would I care " That's what you are dealing with. I wish I knew all this before we went!
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Re: One for the ages
[Re: SR025]
#4823781
12/10/13 04:59 AM
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Jeff Elder
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Re: One for the ages
[Re: Jeff Elder]
#4823788
12/10/13 05:04 AM
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SR025
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That was my first idea but saw the price difference and went with cheaper  .... you get what you pay for as they say.
Last edited by SR025; 12/10/13 05:05 AM. Reason: English is hard
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Re: One for the ages
[Re: SR025]
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12/10/13 02:52 PM
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Muddyfoot
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Sad to say but most Guides can care less what you may go through in a days hunt.... Not knocking you but it's clients like you that they look for and hope to get. Put up a cheap price, stock the field with guns, and preferably someone new to the game and make that money man!!!!!!!!
Oh yeah they know we are in the day of web blogs, but you help more than hurt when you talk about them on the Web.,, for example this dude they call Slemp.
Anyway, Hate to hear about it, but this is a topic that is happening every year and until the guy who really has all the control, takes control and stop paying these guides then this will keep going on.
Last edited by Muddyfoot; 12/10/13 02:54 PM.
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Re: One for the ages
[Re: Jeff Elder]
#4824909
12/10/13 05:46 PM
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TOMCAT21
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The guide is on the forum. If they care to post that's on them. I'm not gonna out them because I feel like 90% of the frustration was due to the kids. That being said if I ever do another guided hunt I will damn sure make it clear that I will not hunt with kids in the group. I wouldn't be so quick to condemn all kids. My son killed his first limit of geese at the age of 12 and was helping with the decoys the next morning when the temp was six degrees. The kid in your story had no business being there but it is not his fault he got away with acting the way he did. Blame the Dad first and then the guide. Your son is a throw back to the old days. That boy is a hand, and sadly most now days aren't. I try a discourage people from bringing novice kids on hunts that might be mixed. I would have tuned on that kid then thrown their release out so I would never mail out to them that we are booking. Jeff, Thanks for the kind words. I have tried to give him the experiences with me that I missed out on with my Dad. I got into hunting right when my Dad got back from Vietnam. He just didn't share my passion at the time. I think I understand why now.
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Re: One for the ages
[Re: Jeff Elder]
#4826022
12/10/13 11:40 PM
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wcbillcollector
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Goose guides down there are all about numbers. I talked with one and was just blown away by their attitude. Quote " there are 12 million people in the city of Houston, why would I care " That's what you are dealing with. Well that's a awsome generalization, and completely wrong. Did he do research before booking? Did he ask about comping if the hunt was a bust? Did he ask for references? There are quiet a few outfitters "down here" that operate above and beyond your expectations. Just because he chose a turd don't go knocking everyone "down here". Btw....still havn't seen a name yet. What's the hold up? T
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Re: One for the ages
[Re: Mako1970]
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12/11/13 11:16 PM
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Jebb
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Me and the dad would have had critical conversation at 7:02
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Re: One for the ages
[Re: c141]
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12/12/13 09:43 AM
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Buckenvy
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I wouldn't be so quick to condemn all kids. My son killed his first limit of geese at the age of 12 and was helping with the decoys the next morning when the temp was six degrees. The kid in your story had no business being there but it is not his fault he got away with acting the way he did. Blame the Dad first and then the guide.
Oh I agree with you. If I would have done what that kid did my dad would have taken my butt back to the truck for a "motivating speech" But a lot of parents these days just turn a blind eye. Its just not worth the chance unless I know the Dad and kid before hand. Diffidently not saying that all kids are like these kids were. When it comes down to it, its all about the parents. My dad would have busted my rump right then and there, in front of you all and GOD himself! And I would do the same with my daughter and she knows it!! sorry for the bad hunt...Its sad what parenting has become...My 13yr daughter hunts with me all the time, when in the field, there is no stupid questions, but keep your mouth shut, your butt still, gun on safe and pointed at the ground, till you here cut'em!
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Re: One for the ages
[Re: Buckenvy]
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12/12/13 02:21 PM
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Yassir Sanchez
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My Dad would have shot me at 7:05 for wasting his DNA.
*8th Generation Native Texan *Kids are 9th Generation *Grandson is 10th Generation *Descendant of veterans of War of Yankee Aggression and War of Texas Indenpendence
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Re: One for the ages
[Re: Yassir Sanchez]
#4830968
12/12/13 03:46 PM
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Cast
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I would have had something to say at about 7:00. At 7:05 all heck woulda broke loose.
Cast I have a short attention spa
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Re: One for the ages
[Re: Cast]
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12/13/13 02:21 AM
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Muddyfoot
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Starting to think this is BS.
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Re: One for the ages
[Re: Muddyfoot]
#4832662
12/13/13 02:26 AM
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SR025
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Yep I have nothing better to do with my time then make up stories.
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Re: One for the ages
[Re: Muddyfoot]
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12/13/13 03:09 AM
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c141
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Starting to think this is BS. Wish it was!!!!!
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Re: One for the ages
[Re: c141]
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12/13/13 03:39 AM
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Muddyfoot
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So who is this crap of a guide?
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Re: One for the ages
[Re: Muddyfoot]
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12/13/13 04:25 AM
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MS1454
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So who is this crap of a guide?
I'll take a Black Female every time.
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