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Re: Learned My Lesson
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11/11/13 03:28 AM
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You should go back and get the head. Have it euro mounted to honor the buck and remind you to be more committed to finding your future animals when things don't go as planned. I know what i would do but lets not talk the man into doing something illegal if he doesnt feel right about it. What part of that would be illegal? Go get that head. Its illegal because he already used his tag.
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Re: Learned My Lesson
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11/11/13 03:48 AM
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Picking up the head of a buck u failed to recover days past after the meat is ruined is not illegal. Harvesting more bucks than u are allowed is. He already did that but wether or not he takes the horns now makes no difference.
Also I wouldn't say he is guilty of anything. He at least gave some effort to find the buck.
Why would it matter if he picks up the rotting skull or not?
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Re: Learned My Lesson
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11/11/13 03:56 AM
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Picking up the head of a buck u failed to recover days past after the meat is ruined is not illegal. Harvesting more bucks than u are allowed is. He already did that but wether or not he takes the horns now makes no difference.
Also I wouldn't say he is guilty of anything. He at least gave some effort to find the buck.
Why would it matter if he picks up the rotting skull or not? I agree its stupid but like the game warden would say. "Tell it to the judge". Right or wrong its illegal.
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Re: Learned My Lesson
[Re: TheCloudX]
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11/11/13 09:42 AM
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I'm the guy who said look for water and go down hill. I also told you ya hit em. When I saw Ur pic this morn I noticed his tail was down cupped. A pretty good sign you hit him. Lack of Blood won't tell ya nothing. Now that's behind us so do whatever you want with the deer. I would not care anyway. Don't beat Ur self up. But shoot a lot before next year. A lot I will even help you if you need help. Thanks, bdotson. I concentrated in the thick stuff, wish I would have followed your advice. I'm going to spend a lot at the range here real soon. Great your not that far from me Hope we can spend some time shooting. I would like to know more about what your shooting you need more Confidence. That you can get at the range if you have the right equipment. I have a range and some pretty good equipment I can share to build your confidence. When you start shooting clay pidgens at 750 800 yards a buck at 200-250 is a sitting duck. keep your head up.
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Re: Learned My Lesson
[Re: TheCloudX]
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11/11/13 11:38 AM
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I hope you knew what to expect when you posted this. I truly believe you learned your lesson the same way most of us did. I knew what to expect, still a good example to others that it may happen to. Who said anything about walking on water? I missed the" shot another buck" part, but its still BS. Lets just keep shooting until something drops where we can recover it easy without tracking. Less than 50 yrds from we're he shot it, but couldn't find it.  Sounds a little like, "if it don't drop, I must have missed" to me. He'd have been kicked off most leases I've been on for it. Not wanting to kick you in the nads over it ThecloudX. I've lost one before and it sucks. You said you learned from it and I hope you're right. I learned from mine, if he looks like he might need another one in him, do it. I had a second shot chance at mine, but thought he was going down. I know you're not kicking me, no worries. I can assure you that "just shooting until something drops" is definitely not the case. And certainly not "if it don't drop, I must have missed". The reason I made this post was so others can see that even if there's no sign you hit, if you felt you hit then you should do everything you could have done. Like I said, there was no blood to follow, or anything of the sorts. And even the game cam pictures show what I thought was me shooting in front of him. Obviously there was a lot more I could have done, in hindsight I wish I would have. I'm thankful for every animal I take, and knowing I wasted even one has me disgusted with myself. I would tag him in a heart beat, if I could. As far as I'm concerned, the season is over for me next week because that's the last legal time to shoot a doe, and I have no interest in a spike. Since it's illegal to take the horns, because I can't tag him, I'm not going to touch them further. Kudos for coming on here and admitting you messed up.  You are correct that going back for the horns without a tag would be illegal. Would doing like sneaky said and hanging them in a tree until she'd hunting season be the right thing to do? I don't know, but I'd sure entertain the idea.
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Re: Learned My Lesson
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11/11/13 05:07 PM
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I hope you knew what to expect when you posted this. I truly believe you learned your lesson the same way most of us did. I knew what to expect, still a good example to others that it may happen to. Who said anything about walking on water? I missed the" shot another buck" part, but its still BS. Lets just keep shooting until something drops where we can recover it easy without tracking. Less than 50 yrds from we're he shot it, but couldn't find it.  Sounds a little like, "if it don't drop, I must have missed" to me. He'd have been kicked off most leases I've been on for it. Not wanting to kick you in the nads over it ThecloudX. I've lost one before and it sucks. You said you learned from it and I hope you're right. I learned from mine, if he looks like he might need another one in him, do it. I had a second shot chance at mine, but thought he was going down. I know you're not kicking me, no worries. I can assure you that "just shooting until something drops" is definitely not the case. And certainly not "if it don't drop, I must have missed". The reason I made this post was so others can see that even if there's no sign you hit, if you felt you hit then you should do everything you could have done. Like I said, there was no blood to follow, or anything of the sorts. And even the game cam pictures show what I thought was me shooting in front of him. Obviously there was a lot more I could have done, in hindsight I wish I would have. I'm thankful for every animal I take, and knowing I wasted even one has me disgusted with myself. I would tag him in a heart beat, if I could. As far as I'm concerned, the season is over for me next week because that's the last legal time to shoot a doe, and I have no interest in a spike. Since it's illegal to take the horns, because I can't tag him, I'm not going to touch them further. Kudos for coming on here and admitting you messed up.  You are correct that going back for the horns without a tag would be illegal. Would doing like sneaky said and hanging them in a tree until she'd hunting season be the right thing to do? I don't know, but I'd sure entertain the idea. Going back to get the horns is not illegal...harvesting too many deer is illegal, finding a buck you failed to retrieve and taking the antlers is not. You don't need to tag it, you did not harvest it.
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Re: Learned My Lesson
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11/11/13 05:25 PM
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The way i see it .....if you only looked for 45 mins that was your first mistake to me , i have looked for one for 2 or 3 hr and found it ! To me you owe whatever your shooting at the common courtesy to do everything in your power to find it even if it means looking into the morning hours . On taking the head i would say leave it you dont deserve to have it IMO because you didnt find it the first time and i know this is a little harsh but you said you learned a lesson so what'd be the lesson of taking the head?
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Re: Learned My Lesson
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11/11/13 06:16 PM
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I shot a doe opening weekend in the evening at only 50 yds. I found no blood, I looked for maybe an hour. Went to camp and had 2 others go back out with me with really good lights. Again no blood found. We did straight walks and also did short, medium and big circles, nada. They were trying to convince me I missed, I knew I didn't. We stopped after about an hour and a half later. I looked again after my morning hunt. Same thing, no blood or deer found. Started believing that by some weird chance that I actually did miss.
Got in my stand this past Friday afternoon and saw buzzards in trees about 50 yds behind and to the left of my feeder. This is very thick and piney woods. There are draws that run down my area. There she was in the 3rd draw.
We looked in the first 2 draws but did not go any further. Really sucks when this happens, that was the first deer I've ever lost. Mine wasn't a nice buck but it still stings.
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Re: Learned My Lesson
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11/11/13 07:05 PM
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I understand your concerned about the legality of recovering the animal without a tag, but screw that, you owe it to the animal you KILLED to recover him and to display him, regardless of your consequences. DO NOT just let those antlers rot in the woods, that is just wrong in more than one way. Id crucify any of my hunters or clients that did that..... Recover his head!!!!
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Re: Learned My Lesson
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11/11/13 07:24 PM
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I shot a doe opening weekend in the evening at only 50 yds. I found no blood, I looked for maybe an hour. Went to camp and had 2 others go back out with me with really good lights. Again no blood found. We did straight walks and also did short, medium and big circles, nada. They were trying to convince me I missed, I knew I didn't. We stopped after about an hour and a half later. I looked again after my morning hunt. Same thing, no blood or deer found. Started believing that by some weird chance that I actually did miss.
Got in my stand this past Friday afternoon and saw buzzards in trees about 50 yds behind and to the left of my feeder. This is very thick and piney woods. There are draws that run down my area. There she was in the 3rd draw.
We looked in the first 2 draws but did not go any further. Really sucks when this happens, that was the first deer I've ever lost. Mine wasn't a nice buck but it still stings. Sorry to hear about that. It def still stings, regardless of it's a nice deer or not. My area is similar to yours and I was just simply not looking in the right area. I'm still disgusted about it as I'm sure you are, but in a way I think that's a form of respect in it's own, as we show we aren't just in the business of wasting the life we took. The way i see it .....if you only looked for 45 mins that was your first mistake to me , i have looked for one for 2 or 3 hr and found it ! To me you owe whatever your shooting at the common courtesy to do everything in your power to find it even if it means looking into the morning hours . On taking the head i would say leave it you dont deserve to have it IMO because you didnt find it the first time and i know this is a little harsh but you said you learned a lesson so what'd be the lesson of taking the head? Actually I understand what you're saying and in my OP I mentioned that when the hacksaw blade broke I felt that I didn't deserve it. It was only after the fact I realized it was illegal and didn't want to go forward any more because of that.
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Re: Learned My Lesson
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11/11/13 07:26 PM
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I decided to go ahead and call the Game Warden and fill him in on the situation. I don't believe I broke the law, but wanted to be honest nonetheless. He was completely understanding and even offered to go with me on Wednesday to harvest the rack for me. So it looks like it'll work out. Glad there are good men and women who serve in LEO.
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Re: Learned My Lesson
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11/11/13 07:31 PM
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I decided to go ahead and call the Game Warden and fill him in on the situation. I don't believe I broke the law, but wanted to be honest nonetheless. He was completely understanding and even offered to go with me on Wednesday to harvest the rack for me. So it looks like it'll work out. Glad there are good men and women who serve in LEO. Thats good but just make sure that you filled the back of you tag out from the other deer , he's going to be looking for something to get you on i would bet on that .
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Re: Learned My Lesson
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11/11/13 08:10 PM
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Making a rough kill is part of hunting we have all had our bad ones don't beat yourself up.
Just and additional point here. Once you shoot a deer don't jump out of the blind and go looking. Watch and wait, mark the last spot you see them (if they don't go down) in your mind so you can go straight to it. Waiting is key, even if it is dark. Wait and let them expire they won't go too far or change direction too much if you don't chase them. Once hit they will go a ways and lay down or stop if you don't push them they will most likely stay there until they bleed out. Depending on your confidence in the shot wait accordingly. If if know I nailed a deer and they took off Ill wait 30 minutes. If I am unsure of how good a shot is I will wait two or three hours. You don't have to wait in the blind the whole time, go eat breakfast or dinner just don't go towards the deer on your way out. Have enough confidence in your shooting/rifle or bow zero to know if you are going to make a hit or not or don't go hunting until you do. Its not worth it.
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Re: Learned My Lesson
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11/11/13 08:16 PM
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I decided to go ahead and call the Game Warden and fill him in on the situation. I don't believe I broke the law, but wanted to be honest nonetheless. He was completely understanding and even offered to go with me on Wednesday to harvest the rack for me. So it looks like it'll work out. Glad there are good men and women who serve in LEO. Thats good but just make sure that you filled the back of you tag out from the other deer , he's going to be looking for something to get you on i would bet on that . That thought occurred to me as well, I filled out the tag that day and will have pictures from the game cam and can retrace my steps on my search grid prior. I have faith that I didn't break the law, so it should be ok
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Re: Learned My Lesson
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11/11/13 08:27 PM
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I shot a doe opening weekend in the evening at only 50 yds. I found no blood, I looked for maybe an hour. Went to camp and had 2 others go back out with me with really good lights. Again no blood found. We did straight walks and also did short, medium and big circles, nada. They were trying to convince me I missed, I knew I didn't. We stopped after about an hour and a half later. I looked again after my morning hunt. Same thing, no blood or deer found. Started believing that by some weird chance that I actually did miss.
Got in my stand this past Friday afternoon and saw buzzards in trees about 50 yds behind and to the left of my feeder. This is very thick and piney woods. There are draws that run down my area. There she was in the 3rd draw.
We looked in the first 2 draws but did not go any further. Really sucks when this happens, that was the first deer I've ever lost. Mine wasn't a nice buck but it still stings. The credibility of the shooter and his/her ability can never be avoided in these situations. Having weak credibility in the shooter and the shot taken often leads to calling the search off early, only to have the deer found later, sometime just a few yards from areas searched earlier. And likewise, when the credibility of the shooter and shot taken is strong, the search continues even when little or no sign of blood is found. And I need not mention the most common characteristic of a very credible shooter. When it can honestly be said that someone "doesn't miss"', the search seldom stops until the deer is recovered. And usually, the search is a short one.
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