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Rattling???
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10/27/13 11:51 PM
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bud_man
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I've never tried to rattle/grunt a buck in, so I've got a few questions. Is it too early to start now, or should I wait til rut hits? How long should I rattle? How long between rattles should I wait? Should I use a grunt call when I rattle, or pick one and use that method for that particular hunt? Thanks in advance.
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Re: Rattling???
[Re: bud_man]
#4695729
10/27/13 11:56 PM
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spibiggie
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As far as is it a good time to rattle, depend where you are at. During the rut I ideal.
Buck fights are random, so don't worry about your rhythm. If theyre coming to horns, The ticking of the horns will bring them if they're gonna come.
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Re: Rattling???
[Re: spibiggie]
#4695746
10/28/13 12:02 AM
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Phantom
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It depends on the timing and then the bucks in your area. There is no guarantee but if it all comes together it can be fun. Most of the time it will be a younger buck in my opinion
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Re: Rattling???
[Re: Phantom]
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10/28/13 12:39 AM
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dogcatcher
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A little goes a long way, curiosity can be the bucks downfall.
Combat Infantryman, the ultimate hunter where the prey shoots back. _____________"Illegitimus non carborundum est"_______________
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Re: Rattling???
[Re: dogcatcher]
#4697200
10/28/13 02:53 PM
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Erathkid
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I'll be rattling Saturday morning. Pre-rut it can be deadly. A lot depends on your buck-doe ratio. The less doe you have the better it seems to work IMO.
Life is too short, as is. Don't chance it. Don't text and drive.
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Re: Rattling???
[Re: dogcatcher]
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10/28/13 02:55 PM
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ryorgensen
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I've had more bucks respond to rattling and grunts toward the end of pre rut when the bucks start cruising . Start out light rattling and a few grunts then go from there. It don't always work but when you rattle in a buck it is very exciting to know you fooled him....
Robert
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Re: Rattling???
[Re: ryorgensen]
#4697284
10/28/13 03:12 PM
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stxranchman
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Here is an old post I wrote on a thread last year. I have rattled bucks in all types of different situations. Timing is the key. I always try to rattle when I see deer up and moving or traveling. First good light in the morning or around 9 or so are good times for up till noon. Calm, cloudy, drizzling, heavy frost or combinations of all have been very good for me. Buck to doe ratios are as critical as timing. I will start by raking a bush with the antlers and then pounding one on the ground a couple of times. I have had deer run over me coming in so fast to just this. When I rattle I make as much noise as I can. Two bucks are trying to kill themselves. You are not wanting timid deer to come but mature and dominant bucks. So act like you are dominant. While I rattle I will rake a bush or fight the ground with antlers. I use a grunt call also. I have had bucks come from any direction so while down wind is critical if bucks are coming on a dead run you better have your head on a swivel. I have had bucks move only when I rattle. I have had some only sneak in. The fun ones are the ones that come charging in with hair standing on end and looking at you like you owe them money. I rattle for about 30 seconds to 1 1/2 minutes the first time then sit and watch. If bucks are charging in the will be there on you in less than 2 minutes. If not I rattle again and the will trot or walk in from 2-10 minutes. If they are coming from a distance it might take them over 10 minutes. Seems like when I have rattled in the most bucks it takes them over 10 minutes to respond and they come in waves. When I get a buck that hangs up due to another buck picking me off, I will do a snort wheeze and they will come in on a string under the right conditions. I have rattle bucks back to me multiple times after they have smelled or seen me move. I have had bucks take 27 minutes to get to me and step out. I will move depending on cover and terrain and wind about 300 yrd or more and try again. I have rattle the same buck in multiple times when I moved and rattled again. It is best to rattle with one or two shooters you know and trust. Put them downwind at 45's to you about 30-40 yds. Better yet put a shooter in a tripod 40 yrds are so downwind. They will see deer you never see. I rattle a buck up this week that came back to me and he did not approach into the wind. He came on a string right at me across the wind.
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Re: Rattling???
[Re: stxranchman]
#4697413
10/28/13 03:45 PM
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SwampHunterFw
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What Is best to use ? The bag or the plastic horns or what ? I don't have any real horns to use
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Re: Rattling???
[Re: SwampHunterFw]
#4697434
10/28/13 03:50 PM
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stxranchman
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Anything will work at the right time with a lot bucks responding. I have heard the rattling sounds with some synthetics antlers that sounded as good as my natural sheds. I have also rattled bucks in with electronic recorded antlering rattling. The bags will work, but I prefer natural antlers.
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Re: Rattling???
[Re: stxranchman]
#4697548
10/28/13 04:31 PM
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817cd
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This^^^ Natural are the best. Can be harder to carry/pack. Be careful and keep it minimal once you fool a buck if you don't shoot him then you won't fool him again if he sees or smells you. He can also become weary of the stand and area. They can locate where the sound is coming from before you see them. Much easier to have the distance of a rifle and another person rattling.Remember you are giving them your exact location. If you are in thick parts they may show up with no notice under you or right in front of you making a bow preferable. Timing movement is critical as well as being scent free. If you get caught with your hands on the antlers it is impossible to pickup your weapon and aim while he is staring right at you even in the best camo or blind. Some bucks will circle down wind before getting close. A decoy is almost necessary for success provides a visual distraction and location for him to associate the noise. Don't worry about rattling too early if the bucks don't come does and fawns will come or like Yorgensen said it doesn't work. Make sure and stay in the blind for at least 30 minutes after your last rattle because it can take that long for them to come investigate. Nothing worse then getting out of the blind and seeing the buck you just gave up on.
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Re: Rattling???
[Re: 817cd]
#4697586
10/28/13 04:44 PM
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stxranchman
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This^^^ Natural are the best. Can be harder to carry/pack. Be careful and keep it minimal once you fool a buck if you don't shoot him then you won't fool him again if he sees or smells you. He can also become weary of the stand and area. They can locate where the sound is coming from before you see them. Much easier to have the distance of a rifle and another person rattling.Remember you are giving them your exact location. If you are in thick parts they may show up with no notice under you or right in front of you making a bow preferable. Timing movement is critical as well as being scent free. If you get caught with your hands on the antlers it is impossible to pickup your weapon and aim while he is staring right at you even in the best camo or blind. Some bucks will circle down wind before getting close. A decoy is almost necessary for success provides a visual distraction and location for him to associate the noise. Don't worry about rattling too early if the bucks don't come does and fawns will come or like Yorgensen said it doesn't work. Make sure and stay in the blind for at least 30 minutes after your last rattle because it can take that long for them to come investigate. Nothing worse then getting out of the blind and seeing the buck you just gave up on. I am going to disagree on couple of things you said. I have rattled the same buck up at the same stand on different occasions and again a year or more later. I have rattled in a buck and he smelled/seen me only to move 400 yards or so for to the next setup only to rattle in the same buck on several occasions on several ranches. When bucks are moving and hot in the rut they will come to almost every rattle or actual fight they here. I do not like to use a decoy due to the fact that an older buck will generally hold up where he can see it and you can't see him. I want bucks coming in where they can be seen. It is bad enough having a live deer as a decoy cause then a mature buck will definetly lock onto the live deer to see watch him. Scent can be hard to work in your favor but I put as big of an opening downwind as I can if possible. But with some bucks it won't matter as they will make a full circle around you and won't really care at the right time. Other times you will never see the buck or know he was there until you hear deer blow or hear running hooves when they get downwind. These are just my obersvations when rifle hunting not archery, but feel they would overlap.
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Re: Rattling???
[Re: stxranchman]
#4697843
10/28/13 06:21 PM
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tShawnB
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If I am running and gunning multiple locations while rattling and rifle hunting, I will not decoy and I will only marginally worry about the wind and scent control. If the time is right and the bucks are scrapping, they will damn near run you over, at least where I hunt. When bow hunting or stand hunting, especially on the edge of a food plot, CRP, or an agriculture field where visibility is good, a decoy is essential and will often get that buck to commit to the decoy thus giving you the opportunity to age, judge, score and hopefully harvest. Oh yeah, I have used every product there is when rattling and nothing beats the real thing IMO.
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Re: Rattling???
[Re: tShawnB]
#4698189
10/28/13 08:14 PM
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hook_n_line
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Now is a good time in Robertson County. My daughter and I had a buck come out at 200 yards on Saturday evening just 15 minutes before sunset. I sprayed some Trails end but the wind was blowing the wrong way. I hit the grunt and he stopped and looked around then started walking on his original path through the field. I grabbed my rattling bag and started lightly and then really mashed them and threw a grunt. He headed straight to us then hit the cedars to get down wind. In 8 minutes he came around and was only 30' from us. He was just too young. We saw 4 more bucks with noses to the ground.
Sometimes it's hard being me! But somebody has to do it.
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Re: Rattling???
[Re: hook_n_line]
#4698445
10/28/13 09:24 PM
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gary roberson
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I am not a fan of the rattling bags as I just can't generate much volume with them. One thing for sure if he can't hear you, he is not coming. I prefer to rattle before the rut as most of the mature bucks I want to look at have a girl friend when the rut is in full swing. Calling a buck away from a doe is a tall order. I have rattled up bucks here in Menard County as early as Oct. 2. Adios, Gary
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Re: Rattling???
[Re: gary roberson]
#4700524
10/29/13 02:51 PM
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817cd
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I was referring to pre rut rattling about getting caught and having a decoy. During the rut its a lot simpler.
Never used photoshop and never will. Photoshop is for liberals.
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Re: Rattling???
[Re: 817cd]
#4700567
10/29/13 03:04 PM
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817cd
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"Scent can be hard to work in your favor but I put as big of an opening downwind as I can if possible. But with some bucks it won't matter as they will make a full circle around you and won't really care at the right time. Other times you will never see the buck or know he was there until you hear deer blow or hear running hooves when they get downwind. These are just my obersvations when rifle hunting not archery, but feel they would overlap."
This ^
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