is blackhorn 209 is clean as advertised what's the best primers to use

I use it primarily now. Cleans up the same way you would clean a smokeless powder gun. The best part is it is so clean that I have actually been able to reload my inline up to 20 times (all I tried!) without cleaning or needing to use extra force to seat the projectile- burns pretty clean. Not much residue in the breech plug.
Don't know if it is the best primer, but I use Fiocci 616s. Have had consistent ignition (NO MISFIRES). Had problems with the Triple 7 and any primer specifically for muzzleloaders so I would stay away from them.

Thanks good info I guess I'll try some 20 shots is great

It is very clean. If you are working up a load, clean between shots. This will put the barrel in "like condition" for each successive shot.

I too have used Fiocchi 616 primers with no ignition failures. The primer is however the dirtiest one I have ever used. I have tested CCI 209M's, Remington STS's. No problems. Very clean.

The made for muzzleloader primers aren't "hot" enough to ignite BH 209.

Hope this helps.

Paul

I've been using BH209 since it was introduced. Current load is 110gr by volume, Harvester 300 GR PT gold and black crush rib sabot and CCI 209M Primer. Clean up is a snap with Hoppes and have very little residue. On all 3 of my Knights I used the Lehigh breech plug with bare primer. Highly accurate and do all my sight in shooting WO cleaning. Very accurate load. Couldn't be more pleased

Just as clean as advertised, I have gone 25 shots without cleaning, however the last 3 required more effort to load than the first 3. I'm running 95gr by volume, 255gr SST Hornady, and a CCI 209M primer. Its accurate enough to not even bother experimenting further. I run everything the same, but with 70gr powder by volume for my 8 year old.

I've been using it for several years myself and it is the cleanest burning powder I have ever used.

It's fairly clean. I get about 15 shots before having to clean

I have been using BH 209 since it was first introduced several years back. It produces little or no smoke cloud when fired and leaves very little residue in the barrel. I get all my sight in work done without running a patch; clean up is very easy and you use Hoppes, Montana or any other regular solvent. I use it in all 3 of my knights which have been converted to use a bare primer. My standard hunting load is 110 gr.BH209 by volume, a CCI 209M primer and Harvester's 300 gr PT Gold with black crush rib sabot or Hornady's 300 gr SST and red easy load sabot. Best 3 shot, hundred yard group with my 50 cal. LRH was .297 inches using the PT Gold 300. Had 5 one shot kills last season. Should have gone to the bare primer option when it was came out

I agree with everyone, it good stuff

Good stuff, very accurate out of my T/C Hawken .50
Buddy of mine recommended it and we fired 3 rounds that were almost a clover leaf at 50 yds... then I started having misfires, standard percussion caps are not enough to make it ignite reliably. (Hence the "209")

I wish it would relibly fire though, because it is really clean and accurate. It does have a distinct smell when you shoot it.

I have often wondered if a musket cap would make it reliably fire in a caplock

It would be worth the try. The musket cap is hotter than the #11. That should help but you might have to bring down the charge a bit, possibly. Do a little surfing on the subject to see if there might be any problems with trying that. There is the possibility that accuracy could change though.
"That distinct smell", I don't know why shooters use Blackhorn 209. The first time I smelled it at the range I thought it should be used in the gravy for biscuits and gravy. ummm good

BH 209 is far and above cleaner than any bp substitute plus 15% more energy. I use Hoppee's #9 & WD 40 to clean up. Ask yourself this, would you pour soapy water down your center fire rifle? Also, smokes a little less and is more consistent load for load.

Nope. But I wouldn't pour Hoppe's No.9 down my flintlock barrel either. That would just gum up the GOEX residue.

Soap and water is appropriate for black powder, Pyrodex, and Triple Seven. It does just fine with not a bit of harm to the barrel. Been using it for 40 years and haven't had a speck of trouble. I generally follow it with a blast of carb cleaner to assure the bore is dry - then a light oil patch.

Is there a chance that blackhorn 209 could be made into pellet form in the near future, or is it even possible???

I doubt it Deersteaks. Like smokeless powder, BH takes a lot of flame to ignite. A pellet would compound the difficulty. Though I suppose they could add a blackpowder igniter base to the pellet as with Pyrodex pellets.

NOT ADVISING, BUT JUST SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE (yes, that's a disclaimer; proceed at solely you own risk)...
...Using BH209 in a caplock with two musket-cap nipples side-by-side leading straight into the breech plug (an "underhammer"...a very elegant old design): TWO musket primers firing together with a very short and direct path into the powder chamber are NOT enough to ignite the BH209. One solution: pour in a few grains (10 is enough...maybe more than enough; you could experiment with this) of fff-grain bp or your favorite bp-substitute other than BH209 before pouring in your primary charge of BH209; if your cap will effectively ignite that "primer", the primer will ignite the BH209 (like the Pyrodex pellet's igniter base which BayouGuy mentioned). Seat your projectile firmly, since I believe that good containment of the 209 charge is critical to its proper and consistent combustion...and the above combination IS capable of very consistent muzzle velocities. BH209 burns with very little smoke or residue. The few grains of "primer" will create some smoke and residue, but the combination described above is much superior to other bp/bp-sub alternatives of which I am aware. Hopefully it will work for you.
In case it might be true, I've been told that a 209 primer produces about 12 times the heat/fire/energy (I'm not sure which) of a #11 cap, and that a musket cap produces about 4X that of a #11. If all that's true, then two musket caps produce 8 "units" vs a 209 primer's 12 "units". As stated above, the two musket caps are still not sufficient to ignite BH.
Pulverize a little of the BH209 to use as a more easily ignited primer? BH advises DEFINITELY NOT...that this will not make it easier to ignite and that it will only increase pressure...perhaps dangerously.
Good luck, and please post your results if you give it a try.

It's clean but I use a Hawken traditional and a Traditions Kentucky Rifle... since the smoke and fire is gone it takes away from the primitive feel. What can I say I like seeing and smelling that old blackpowder flame and smoke. In Appalachia we have the late season for blackpowder only, freezing cold and snowing mixed with that reminds me of hunting with grandpa.

I personally love Blackhorn 209, I've heard some talk about having the same corrosive value as blackpowder, but I clean my guns (been shooting it our of my cartridge guns) well and I have not experienced a problem in two years using the stuff. It has been extremely accurate in my guns.

BH 209's web site at blackhorn209.com should be required reading for everyone before using it. It will save you a lot of time and answer most of your questions and most importantly keep you out of harms way. It won't work in BP shotguns and the old plunger type inlines from Knight and others. Prior to its introduction I'd tried most of the available BP substitutes. To one degree or the other they all had their shortcomings; inconsistent performance, Crud rings, hard to clean up etc. All that chaneged with BH209. It performs well, cleans up very easily and velocity is very consistent, you can fire a number of rounds w/o cleaning the barrel. With the right bullet/sabot combo and proper bullet seating its superbly accurate and effective out to 200 yds

Blackhorn recommends the CCI 209M.