blah blah blah you're so mean for shooting the poor kitties
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There isn't a rancher in Texas that wouldn't thank you for doing that. As for all of these people on their soap boxes (thwack) get down off of there. So you killed some bobcat kittens. Little bobcats don't turn out to be big nice cats now do they? It's just like killing a baby rattlesnake you're doing everybody a favor. We all know what they grow up to be. So somebody's friend of a friend has a bobcat for a pet. well I know people who have rattlesnakes for pets and I still don't think either one is a good idea. I agree with others on the fact that maybe posting the pictures wasn't the best idea in the world but hey too late to cry over spilled milk.

They proble had spilt milk still on there whiskers.

Yea
just like those baby snakes have veniom

I know a few ranchers who wouldnt feel that way.

And "We all know what they grow up to be"?????
Man-eating, Cattle-eating, feline monsters?
I love to hunt and I believe if your hunting bobcats then your seeking out a goal that you appreciate if you achieved it.
But your statement there is pretty bad, i see them as beautiful, impressive animals, where is your appreciation for the animals that you hunt? To tell the truth you sound like someone who just doesnt know any better. Kill everything you see if your carrying a rifle right?

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blah blah blah you're so mean for shooting the poor kitties
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There isn't a rancher in Texas that wouldn't thank you for doing that. As for all of these people on their soap boxes (thwack) get down off of there. So you killed some bobcat kittens. Little bobcats don't turn out to be big nice cats now do they? It's just like killing a baby rattlesnake you're doing everybody a favor.

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Now that's a fine way to look at things! I was going to leave this post alone because I felt that I'd spoken my mind....until now.
Let me start by saying that this way of thinking is absolutely the reason many species are driven to extinction. Being a hunter myself, I like to observe wildlife just as much as I enjoy hunting. It scares me to think that folks have this "kill 'em all" attitude! Let me ask you Ox190, there was a time that any rancher alive would thank or pay anyone who killed a wolf. Do you think that turned out OK?
I don't condemn 257heaven for what he did. I just tried to give him a different perspective. However, you seem to have taken the bench and become the "right" one? P-L-E-A-S-E!!!
I pride myself on being aware of my environment and doing my part to leave nothing but footprints wherever I go. You however seem to be of the opinion that every predator you kill, is just one less pest in the world. Let me clue you in on something. Those animals have as much right to exist as you do. With that said, I would like to reassure anyone who may be wondering, that I'm a hunter, and not some radical activist. I do enjoy predator hunting and such however, everything must have balance and we need not be too arrogant or conceited to realize that.

Now I'd like to welcome you to the THF and say that I look forward to conversing with you again sometime.

Hang on!!!
I just thought of something. Most of you guys are from east and north Texas. Am I right? I am from west Texas, we have mule deer, quail, and lots of preditors. It is a big problem out here. maby thats why we are in such of a diffrent opinion about this. We should take into consideration where each of us hunts. I have a freind who has a shop inside the city limints. He has killed 8 bobcats, 16 coyotes and all kinds of koons here in the desert. He does this to protect the customers boats that these cats tear up. Since he is in the boat business. They are a big problem in west Texas

I ,too, am from west Texas, Odessa to be exact maybe thats where our difference of opinion comes from. I don't think I have a "kill 'em all attitude" if it came off that way I apologize. However I did work at a horse ranch during the summers when I visited my grandfather in Christoval and maybe that's where my lack of sympathy comes from for predators. To me a colt, fawn, or calf sit a lot higher than a bobcat on my totem pole. And yes bobcats will kill all 3 of the above given the chance. Sure coyotes are more of the problem. Why is that? Well I'm going to take a wild shot in the dark and say they're numbers are a hell of a lot higher than bobcats. When I am out there with my gun I am not trying to kill anything I see. 99.9% of the time I'm shooting only what I am going to eat. I have only once shot anything but deer during season. The only time I ever shot anything other than a deer or turkey during season was when we had a pack of wild dogs on our lease and they tried to attack my step-father. The only time I have ever shot predators was when asked by the landowner. Including when I worked on the
horse ranch and we saw a bobcat go after a colt. Now that not sound like that big of a deal to you but when you make a living selling horses, that colt is a hell of a lot more important to him than that bobcat.

JBCooper I'm sorry you got that opinion of me by reading my post but you need to be a lot slower in your accusations.

Ox190,

I made no accusations. You stated your opinion

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So you killed some bobcat kittens. Little bobcats don't turn out to be big nice cats now do they? It's just like killing a baby rattlesnake you're doing everybody a favor.

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and I stated my perception of your post. The quote above, that I copied from your post, tells me that you're in favor of killing animals for no other reason than their reputation as predators. Now that we've established my reason for perceiving your post the way I did, maybe we can further clarify each other's position on the matter.

Ox190
From west Tx to east Tx is like the diffrence of the north and the south when it comes to preditors. They are not the problem in east Tx as they are here. I am on your side of this deal. There are no trees for a kitten to be hidding in. That tells you something there, if you are familar with west Tx. It is all about where you are from and how you were raised. The internet connects a big number of pepeole from all over the world. We all look at it diffrently depending on where we are from. There is no point to continue this without each others life experiance.

Please allow me to rephrase. I am sorry you perceived me to be a person with a kill 'em all attitude. I myself have watched many a bobcat walk by my feeder, and no I did not have to resist the urge to kill them. I agree they are beautiful animals.( they make a lovely mount ) Do I think they should be
erradicated? No but do they need to be controlled.... YES
Where I'm from we have no shortage of predators. So shooting a few bobcats isn't a big deal. Now if you only see one or two a year I don't think you need to be trying to control their numbers. Not trying to compare apples to oranges here but where I'm from you could probably shoot coyotes until you were sick and tired of pulling the trigger and not put a dent in the population. I do understand there are fewer cats out there. But their numbers do need to be controlled.

257, I can not find any fault in you killing those cats. Matter of fact I would have done the same thing myself. I have lost a full grown tom turkey and 6 head of chickens in the past 2 weeks to a bobcat. Yes I know that they were babies, but the will grow up. And bobcats are bad news for quail so I give you a double thumbs up. I seriously doubt that if it had been coyote pups you would have been given so much grief about this.


And to the person (I can't remember who it was) that said that bobcats are not good to eat, or can't be eaten (something to that effect) You ought to try it. I have eaten bobcat before and I like it. And I will eat it again.

Good post Luke. I would have done the same thing he did, except not have posted the pictures. My gripe about this whole thing comes from the perception I am getting from people that seem to be saying they have no feelings of remorse, respect, whatever they want to call it, when killing an animal. I have no problem in pulling the trigger, but that don't keep me from feeling something after I have done it. If a person doesn't feel at least some respect for the animal they killed, then maybe they are hunting for the wrong reasons.

As I said earlier, this thing has gotten blown way out of proportion, simply because of the pictures. Most of us on here, would have probably shot them, and nearly all of us on here wouldn't hesitate one minute if it were a grown cat.

And as a side note here, as to the continueing references made by people from the western part of the state, we raise livestock here in the eastern part of the state also, and we have just as much predation going on, if not more than you folks.

We also have to deal with the fact, that because of the human population here, we have a lot harder time of killing coyotes and bobcats, because those things are living in what has become residential areas.

And no I am not for the eradication of bobcats, but I could care less if every stinking coyote dropped dead this minute, I would not mind talking about them in the past tense. JMO

Fatalwishes:

I am sensing a lot of hatefulness and anger in this post. It seems to me that you need to spend some time, driving down the alleys in your local neighborhood shooting some more of Little Susie's Pets, as you so eloquantly put it, and vent some of that anger. Afterall since you don't like cats, and most of your "Male" friends don't either, that makes it OK. Hey, they are adult cats and those house pets are quite sporting.

I doubt that the anti's would have payed much attention this post at all but what they do love to see is hunters that turn on and devour their own young,which is exactly what all you whinners have done! devide and concur.
257 was simply sharing an experience and I don't recall him asking for anyones aproval or advice! this has turned into the exact same kind of forum that I avoid like the plague.It has gotten to where there is very little possitive input on here,but one negative reply starts a forrest fire of insults!
together we stand devided the anti's win!

257 I still think you did the right thing and I thought the pics to be tastefully done ,there were no guts there wasn't blood everywhere and you didn't have blood up to your elbows!
I suggest you find a new forum they are not all like this!
this is my last post on this board!
see ya!

I agree that it is all in your raising. I still have a lot of relatives that are farmers and ranchers/cowboys in West Texas. I was raised to believe that all animals are here ONLY to support human life. I've seen my Grandmom wring a chicken's neck and watched the headless chicken run around in circles until it died. My Grandparents liked to have a few wild cats on the farm to control the rodent population, but if an unwanted litter was born, the kittens were killed with a metal pipe or shovel handle or whatever was handy. My Grandmom, who is still alive and I have the utmost respect for, would kill baby rabbits if a nest was found in the yard. They were considered a nuisance. My Grandparents lived a hard life and raised just about everything they ate. I believe - just not to the same extreme - that most animals are here only to support human life. I also believe that, due to the number of bobcats I've seen on our lease, that the rancher would be pleased that we eliminated 2 puddy tats that would have probably grown up to be adult predators (or they would have suffered as their sibling did and died a slow death).

Been waiting on you Guess. I hate to see you leave. I thoroughly enjoy the predator stories and posts. Either way, let Heaven and I know where you land so we can read your posts their.

Here's the pic of the armadillo I promised. And he was allowed to live.

He sent me a PM with other forums that he will visit. I'll share them with you, mark3.

Oh............and my Grandmom still says the "N" word in the most innocent way imaginable.

My, my, my............How far we have come.

so only humans have the right to eat & kill quail? I would shoot at a bobcat with my bow if ever given the chance!

This is not directed at anyone in particular:

I can't see any good at all in this thread...

As a matter of fact - this kind of BS ain't needed here...period.

Grow up!

Guess,

I'm not sure why you're letting this post get to you so much. I can't speak for everyone but I enjoy your posts and pics. Heck, I've met you personally and I think you're a sensible man. I really wish you'd reconsider.
On the other hand, as responsible hunters, we need to show that we're responsible people with good morals and I don't think that "doing everybody a favor" and "kill every cat you see" are good examples of "hunters'" as a group. The "antis" try to characterize us as some kind of heartless, immoral, "blood-thirsty" group. "Divide & conquer" is a fine observation but I don't see that happening here. We're simply having a discussion.