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Re: Open Carry Texas is in Dallas and Arlington this Weekend. [Re: Jasb] #4519644 08/28/13 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jasb
So I shouldn't give my opinion if I'm passionate about it the other way? Huh, for a constitution crowd I would have thought you'd of brushed up on the first amendment....guess you just skimmed over it and went on to the 2nd.


I suspect that the objection was the derogatory name calling - not the opinion.


A Democracy is when two wolves and a lamb vote on the dinner menu. That is why this country was specifically not designed as a Democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic.
Re: Open Carry Texas is in Dallas and Arlington this Weekend. [Re: Beretta] #4530226 09/01/13 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted By: BerettaOnyx686
I agree with you, it's a form and it's for talky talk, but there is still a way to do it and express your opinion without talking down to someone for what they feel is right. If we had more people with half the passion (for whatever you believe in) as these guys we wouldn't be in some of the situations we are in. I bet you wouldn't feel the same way if someone called your kid or wife the same things as you have called others. Once again, I have not been to these rallies nor do I carry a rifle around, but I don't sit here and call names to the guys and gals who do.


What are these situations we are in ?

Re: Open Carry Texas is in Dallas and Arlington this Weekend. [Re: Brother in-law] #4531717 09/02/13 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted By: Brother in-law

What are these situations we are in ?


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Originally Posted By: Jeff Elder
Two kinds of people vote democrat. Rich people that don't have to work, and poor people who don't want to work.
Re: Open Carry Texas is in Dallas and Arlington this Weekend. [Re: Beretta] #4533729 09/03/13 02:05 AM
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Re: Open Carry Texas is in Dallas and Arlington this Weekend. [Re: Brother in-law] #4535253 09/03/13 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jeff Elder
Two kinds of people vote democrat. Rich people that don't have to work, and poor people who don't want to work.
Re: Open Carry Texas is in Dallas and Arlington this Weekend. [Re: target1911] #4537219 09/04/13 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted By: target1911
Oh yeah....and if someone don't like our TEXAS GUN LAWS....then GET THE F OUT. I'm sure kali would welcome you cuz we don't want you here.


That sounds like my ex-wife. Judge decided that Texas was big enough for the two of us. Can't say the same for the house.


Re: Open Carry Texas is in Dallas and Arlington this Weekend. [Re: bkj] #4546741 09/07/13 12:45 PM
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Yep, they are going to keep doing this until some well intending politicians go the Austin, complain to their Reps, and we get a new law prohibiting open carry anywhere in public.......own worst enemy......

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Amazing thing is those same people carrying open also are more likely to vote... See Colorado situation for more details. The only way the worst enemy comment works is if you walk in one of these and don't walk into a voting both in November.

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Re: Open Carry Texas is in Dallas and Arlington this Weekend. [Re: Jangle] #4547547 09/07/13 06:30 PM
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Amazing thing is those same people carrying open also are more likely to vote... See Colorado situation for more details. The only way the worst enemy comment works is if you walk in one of these and don't walk into a voting both in November.


There aren't enough open carry folks to make a difference, and laws aren't made in the voting booth......we get stuck with laws all the time that the majority would not have passed......it's for our own good don't you know.

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Re: Open Carry Texas is in Dallas and Arlington this Weekend. [Re: Octopiston] #4558400 09/11/13 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted By: Octopiston
I have to say that I think it's time for gun owners to pull their heads out of the sand and become more active. We've been the equivalent of arm chair quarterbacks. We collectively give millions to the NRA and do nothing more. the NRA is a multi million dollar corporation. They have their place, but we can speak for ourselves too.

While the $ has kept the status quo for the most part, it has recently been demonstrated that the opposition's power and popularity is growing. They aren't just donating $ and setting back. They get out and loudly protest and the media eats it up. Their propaganda machine works, and the Executive branch and Justice dept has actively worked to limit our 2A rights. Not just the recent push, but I guarantee Fast and Furious was a covert op to make it look like cartels were legally getting guns from border states because Obummer was pushing that before F&F came out. You can also look how the ATF has started trying to make their own laws about what firearms should be restricted (ex. saiga shotguns). This is being done without representation in the government or voting.

Desensitizing people to guns is a key component to reeducating them, IMO. The antigun people have been preaching guns are evil to for years to sensitize the populace, and the masses have been eating it up. It's time non gun owners see that guns won't just discharge when you look at them as they've been lead to believe.

I talk guns with a few people at work. Had a guy overhear us about a chl conversation and he immediately said, "That's bad." I asked him why and he had no answer. There are people here in Texas with the mind set that they hear "gun" and they automatically think its bad. If they think its bad to conceal carry, I guarantee they're OK with evil black rifles being banned too. I would be very surprised if the stopped at black rifles. It may stop there for a while, but then something else will come up.

I'm glad to see OUR side make a visible statement instead of expecting our hired hands do it for us. It's really sad to see the amount of people on here mocking and trying to discourage fellow gun owners for standing up for their and YOUR rights. You may not agree with the way they are going about it, or with the "war" in general, but at least support the "troops."


It's sure going to be sad when one of your folks goes into Walmart on an open carry demo with an AK-47, and someone runs up and shoots them in the the head assuming they are there to do a spree killing. I bet they get no-billed too.

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It's sure going to be sad when one of your folks goes into Walmart on an open carry demo with an AK-47, and someone runs up and shoots them in the the head assuming they are there to do a spree killing. I bet they get no-billed too.





Originally Posted By: Jeff Elder
Two kinds of people vote democrat. Rich people that don't have to work, and poor people who don't want to work.
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It's sure going to be sad when one of your folks goes into Walmart on an open carry demo with an AK-47, and someone runs up and shoots them in the the head assuming they are there to do a spree killing. I bet they get no-billed too.


Bored and just want to argue "what if's?"
What if you buy a used gun anywhere and someone shoots you as you go to your car. Will the get no billed too?

Just for fun, lets now apply some logic. If someone is carrying a pistol LEGALLY they'll need to have a chl. If you have a chl you should know the laws and be able to ID a threat vs. someone carrying a long gun slung on their back. If they are also carrying a long gun, then they should know the law. Which scneario makes it OK to shoot another person? Following your line of thought, any chl holder could shoot another if they print or inadvertantly show their gun and get "no billed." Lets take it a step further. You see someone with a knife in their hand. It doesn't matter if they're cutting a thread off their clothes, its a weapon and they are obviously a threat in your mind. Guess they can get shot too.

Aren't you a LEO?



If guns scare you so much, maybe you shouldn't carry one.

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Originally Posted By: ntxtrapper
It's sure going to be sad when one of your folks goes into Walmart on an open carry demo with an AK-47, and someone runs up and shoots them in the the head assuming they are there to do a spree killing. I bet they get no-billed too.


Is that going to be sad? Sounds more like you're hoping and wishing that would happen.

Guess what? Armed citizens generally don't panic at the thought of fellow citizens also being armed.

Only the elitists think they should be the only ones armed... You're not an elitist, are you?

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It's sure going to be sad when one of your folks goes into Walmart on an open carry demo with an AK-47, and someone runs up and shoots them in the the head assuming they are there to do a spree killing. I bet they get no-billed too.




Aren't you a LEO?



If guns scare you so much, maybe you shouldn't carry one.


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Originally Posted By: ntxtrapper
It's sure going to be sad when one of your folks goes into Walmart on an open carry demo with an AK-47, and someone runs up and shoots them in the the head assuming they are there to do a spree killing. I bet they get no-billed too.


Is that going to be sad? Sounds more like you're hoping and wishing that would happen.

Guess what? Armed citizens generally don't panic at the thought of fellow citizens also being armed.

Only the elitists think they should be the only ones armed... You're not an elitist, are you?


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Probably just has some real life experience and enough knowledge/intelligence to know that people sometimes make stupid decisions. I don't have to be an elitist to know that I don't want every Joe Smoe walking around with an AK-47 in public. When we get enough people expressing themselves by walking around with Ak's of AR's, we will get a new law that says you can't do that very thing.

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The thing I don't get is how everyone says don't do that or they will make it against the law. So you are okay with it being legal, just don't want anyone to actually do it, and if you are not going to open carry a rifle then why the hell do you care if they make it agains the law.


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Two kinds of people vote democrat. Rich people that don't have to work, and poor people who don't want to work.
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Probably just has some real life experience and enough knowledge/intelligence to know that people sometimes make stupid decisions. I don't have to be an elitist to know that I don't want every Joe Smoe walking around with an AK-47 in public. When we get enough people expressing themselves by walking around with Ak's of AR's, we will get a new law that says you can't do that very thing.


Well, although you may disagree, I also have real life experience, and intelligence. And the majority of time I hear police speak against open carry, or armed citizens in general, it comes down to one thing: personal preservation. Police are inconvenienced, and, in their minds, put into more dangerous situations because of open carriers.

Now, I am all for helping make the police's job easier and safer, but not at the expense of citizens' rights. A LAW-ABIDING citizen shouldn't need to walk on eggshells to please a cop; a cop should walk on eggshells to please a LAW-ABIDING citizen.

Which is the opposite of how reality is. Which is why I get down on bended knee and treat any and all officers like they are my lord commander. But I certainly have no problem with, and even encourage, LAW-ABIDING citizens that openly stand up to oppression.

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Originally Posted By: BerettaOnyx686
The thing I don't get is how everyone says don't do that or they will make it against the law. So you are okay with it being legal, just don't want anyone to actually do it, and if you are not going to open carry a rifle then why the hell do you care if they make it agains the law.


It's called a power trip.

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Which is the opposite of how reality is. Which is why I get down on bended knee and treat any and all officers like they are my lord commander. But I certainly have no problem with, and even encourage, LAW-ABIDING citizens that openly stand up to oppression.



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Probably just has some real life experience and enough knowledge/intelligence to know that people sometimes make stupid decisions. I don't have to be an elitist to know that I don't want every Joe Smoe walking around with an AK-47 in public. When we get enough people expressing themselves by walking around with Ak's of AR's, we will get a new law that says you can't do that very thing.


Well, although you may disagree, I also have real life experience, and intelligence. And the majority of time I hear police speak against open carry, or armed citizens in general, it comes down to one thing: personal preservation. Police are inconvenienced, and, in their minds, put into more dangerous situations because of open carriers.

Now, I am all for helping make the police's job easier and safer, but not at the expense of citizens' rights. A LAW-ABIDING citizen shouldn't need to walk on eggshells to please a cop; a cop should walk on eggshells to please a LAW-ABIDING citizen.

Which is the opposite of how reality is. Which is why I get down on bended knee and treat any and all officers like they are my lord commander. But I certainly have no problem with, and even encourage, LAW-ABIDING citizens that openly stand up to oppression.


It doesn't have anything to do with the police being against open carry......it's about people acting foolish. Your open carry doesn't offend or concern me in anyway at all. I am concerned that a few foolish acting folks will ruin it for all of us and we'll need a city permit to carry our guns to the car for a hunting trip. You guys repeatedly complain about the USA becoming a police state, but you apparently have no problem with a group of Joe Q. Citizens marching around the city with AR's or AK's. Please show me a Texas Police Officer that is against law abiding citizens having and carrying guns......I think you will come up empty handed on that one.

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Originally Posted By: BerettaOnyx686
The thing I don't get is how everyone says don't do that or they will make it against the law. So you are okay with it being legal, just don't want anyone to actually do it, and if you are not going to open carry a rifle then why the hell do you care if they make it agains the law.


There is a time and place for everything and marching around the town with your AR acting like a spoiled brat isn't the place and I sure don't personally have time for it. As for as what legal actions you decide to carry out in public, that is entirely up to you, just remember all actions have consequences, and I'm saying that from the position of a citizen and nothing else, so don't read anything extra into that statement. There are many things which are legal that I would not personally do in a public place......but carry on.

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Originally Posted By: Concho
Probably just has some real life experience and enough knowledge/intelligence to know that people sometimes make stupid decisions. I don't have to be an elitist to know that I don't want every Joe Smoe walking around with an AK-47 in public. When we get enough people expressing themselves by walking around with Ak's of AR's, we will get a new law that says you can't do that very thing.


Well, although you may disagree, I also have real life experience, and intelligence. And the majority of time I hear police speak against open carry, or armed citizens in general, it comes down to one thing: personal preservation. Police are inconvenienced, and, in their minds, put into more dangerous situations because of open carriers.

Now, I am all for helping make the police's job easier and safer, but not at the expense of citizens' rights. A LAW-ABIDING citizen shouldn't need to walk on eggshells to please a cop; a cop should walk on eggshells to please a LAW-ABIDING citizen.

Which is the opposite of how reality is. Which is why I get down on bended knee and treat any and all officers like they are my lord commander. But I certainly have no problem with, and even encourage, LAW-ABIDING citizens that openly stand up to oppression.


Reading your many posts, I do certainly disagree.....

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Originally Posted By: Concho
Probably just has some real life experience and enough knowledge/intelligence to know that people sometimes make stupid decisions. I don't have to be an elitist to know that I don't want every Joe Smoe walking around with an AK-47 in public. When we get enough people expressing themselves by walking around with Ak's of AR's, we will get a new law that says you can't do that very thing.


Well, although you may disagree, I also have real life experience, and intelligence. And the majority of time I hear police speak against open carry, or armed citizens in general, it comes down to one thing: personal preservation. Police are inconvenienced, and, in their minds, put into more dangerous situations because of open carriers.

Now, I am all for helping make the police's job easier and safer, but not at the expense of citizens' rights. A LAW-ABIDING citizen shouldn't need to walk on eggshells to please a cop; a cop should walk on eggshells to please a LAW-ABIDING citizen.

Which is the opposite of how reality is. Which is why I get down on bended knee and treat any and all officers like they are my lord commander. But I certainly have no problem with, and even encourage, LAW-ABIDING citizens that openly stand up to oppression.


Tell me how we know law abiding from a serial murderer if we don't stop them and investigate? Are you saying that as long as they aren't committing a crime at that very moment, then law enforcement shouldn't be concerned......I don't believe the majority of Americans would agree with you.

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