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Is this a Bezoar?
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08/14/13 03:20 PM
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/14/13 03:52 PM
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No. A Bezoar has the same coloration as a Persian. I have one here that was taken in Turkey. The horn configuration is similar, but the Bezoar also has more distinctive knobs on the horns. Now it looks as to have some Persian influence. But all of the Persian "type" ibex,... Beceite, Gredos, Bezoar and Sindh ,..all have the Persian colorations.
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/14/13 04:14 PM
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He looks like a pistol hunt Lol
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/14/13 05:49 PM
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A bezoar and Persian are the same animal. Sindh is the same animal too, just comes from a specific region.
Spanish ibex - beciete, gredos, etc are completely different animals from a Persian.
No, that is not a bezoar, looks like a hybrid ibex to me
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/14/13 06:14 PM
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I think it's the devil...
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/14/13 06:40 PM
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Do U have any IBEX too hunt??
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/14/13 08:41 PM
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/14/13 10:44 PM
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/14/13 11:14 PM
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He's a good looking ibex To me a hybrid ibex, or an American ibex or if you like a YO Ibex.
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/14/13 11:54 PM
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He is two and a half years old. Turned out a little different than the others. You never know who was in the woodpile a few years ago.
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/15/13 12:27 AM
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Hybrid Ibex. You can call him whatever you like....maybe a New Zealand Ibex...
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/15/13 06:25 AM
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You guys had me going there for awhile. Those of you that know me know that I work in the healthcare field. SO OFCOURSE my mind is thinking "medical / healthcare" as I open this post. Then had to just laugh.
BECAUSE here is the medical definition of "BEZOAR":
be·zoar (bzôr) n. A hard indigestible mass of material, such as hair, vegetable fibers, or the seeds and skins of fruits, formed in the alimentary canal.
The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Kind of like a fur ball in a cat!!! Have seen several in Humans that required us removing them usually surgically.
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/15/13 10:12 AM
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The Turks use the term bezoar, the Iranians call them Pasang, and in Greece it is Kri-Kri. They are known in Turkey by the name of the bezoar stone they produce. Which as nuprofessor quotes is a stone type material.
I am more of a lumper than a splitter by zooilogical terms, and the 2 tribes of true wild goats (versus true ibex all caprids) live in Europe and Asia. I can see the point of naming them by different names in the trophy books, but think people often get their panties in a wad over nothing. They are all the same animal.
From what I have seen other than by slight coloration and sizes differences the eastern wild goats (Persian ibex, Kri-Kri ibex and Sind Ibex) are all really just the same animal.
The five species of wild goat that inhabit the Iberian penninsula (Portugeuse, Beceite, Ronda, Sierra Nevada and Gredos) are different enough from the Persian ibex to certainly be in a different biological category (albeit a vastly different trophy category).
The true ibex live in Africa, Europe and Asia. Then of course you get farther East and run into things like Tur and Markhor, both of which are true caprids (unlike the aoudad and bahral, chamois, tahr, mountain goats, takin, serows and goarls).
It isn't at all correct to call Bezoar/Pasang/Kri-Kri an ibex. An ibex has different horns and a solid colored body(excepting the Tien Shan). Alpine, Walia, Nubian, Tien Shan, Mid Asian and Hymalayan ibex are true ibex.
The Tur's are fringe animals between the true ibex, wild goats and markhor.
Things get really confusing in places like Tajikistan and Pakistan where ibex, wild goats and markhor all live within wind blowing differences of one another, and have for thousands of years.
What I have never understood is how there are wildgoats in Spain, Greece, Turkey, Iraq and Iran but the true ibex live in Africa, Asia and central Europe. It truly baffles me, how sporadic they are.
Put it this way for those that aren't good at world geography, here's an American version of what happened:
1. Wild goats in California, Arkansas, Ohio and Wyoming.
2. Markhor in Ohio and Illinois
3. Ibex in Idaho, Ohio, Illinois, Michigan and Texas.
4. Tur in New Mexico.
As you can see there are huge spreads in variety and distance among the four caprids. It doesn't make much sense to me at all.
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/15/13 01:20 PM
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 Is this one?
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/15/13 01:46 PM
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http://www.wildsheep.org/sheep/capra.htmBezoar have specific markings, like most goats and sheep in Texas there mixed breeds. call it what U want everyone else does. "Persian Ibex". Very nice looking Billie!!
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/15/13 01:53 PM
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 Is this one? I don't have a clue what that one is Don but I know what I like. That is a healthy billy right there. Great shot!!!!!
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/15/13 02:02 PM
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He looks like he is spoiled and hasnt missed many meals.
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/15/13 02:38 PM
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/15/13 03:27 PM
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Don, that is one heck of an ibex my friend.
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/15/13 06:21 PM
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HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT FOR HIM DON? THX
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/15/13 06:51 PM
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Got to let him have some time with the ladies this fall before I sell him.
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/15/13 07:54 PM
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 He is a good looking goat.
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/15/13 08:42 PM
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Re: Is this a Bezoar?
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08/17/13 01:59 AM
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A bezoar and Persian are the same animal. Sindh is the same animal too, just comes from a specific
No, that is not a bezoar, looks like a hybrid ibex to me X2
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