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Re: Pressure signs or crappy brass? [Re: jesselnick] #4306668 06/07/13 12:53 PM
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Speaking from experience, the Mark V leaves a very distinctive mark... and that is it. I can't see it on the left, but the case on the right definitely has it. Not only that but primers while subjective, don't look that great either. Definitely a pressure issue.

In addition to the items already mentioned have you checked your distance to the lands? I doubt you'd be able to reach them and still fit in the magazine but stranger things have happened. I just want to make sure that you're not right up close to the rifling, or touching. That could cause you some problems. Are the cases the proper length? If they're a little long and the neck is running up into the throat area they could be getting squeezed/pinched. I doubt that happens all that often, but I know that it happens.

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Not right up close to the lands?

I'm with Chad, in that it would reduce pressure if you are closer to the lands. I start every load even with the lands. Some rifles shoot great well before pressure signs show, others shoot right on the edge of safe and showing pressure.

My 22-250 is even with the lands, and I'm lightly showing pressure, my 260 is even with the lands, and I'm no where close to showing signs of pressure.


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That picture of the head stamp and ejector mark is text book pressure signs. Can you still shoot that load- yes. But you will be wrecking your brass doing it and wearing out the primer pockets in 1-2 shots. Add a little moisture when shooting, like rain or drizzle, and you will blow primers and have major pressure issues. I know guys who run loads hot, but you sacrifice brass life and run more risk of an issue. I would not recommend running it that hot.


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Re: Pressure signs or crappy brass? [Re: J.G.] #4306831 06/07/13 01:56 PM
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Looks like the extractor imprint on the left cartridge is centered over the S.


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Re: Pressure signs or crappy brass? [Re: jesselnick] #4306840 06/07/13 02:00 PM
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You can also see pressure on the case on the left at the "S" with your 82.5 load. It's a warm load also. I would be using Retumbo or even H50BMG powders. The Magnum powder is very sensitive to temp change. A load safe in the winter could easily be over pressure in the hot summer. I have experienced this, and do not use this powder for that reason. The bigger the case, the more powder it has to effect the temp changes.


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Re: Pressure signs or crappy brass? [Re: ChadTRG42] #4307206 06/07/13 04:32 PM
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I don't have much knowledge looking for pressure as I tend to stay away from max loads to preserve 1. my brass 2. my barrel 3. my face, but My 300 wby vanguard has left those round marks on the head of every factory loaded bullet I have ever shot through it. I have put a few on my handloads. Are the little rings that big of a deal?

Granted mine were shot dead middle of the summer most of the time, Im sure that doesn't help.


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Re: Pressure signs or crappy brass? [Re: Strongbad] #4308003 06/07/13 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: Strongbad
Speaking from experience, the Mark V leaves a very distinctive mark... and that is it. I can't see it on the left, but the case on the right definitely has it. Not only that but primers while subjective, don't look that great either. Definitely a pressure issue.

In addition to the items already mentioned have you checked your distance to the lands? I doubt you'd be able to reach them and still fit in the magazine but stranger things have happened. I just want to make sure that you're not right up close to the rifling, or touching. That could cause you some problems. Are the cases the proper length? If they're a little long and the neck is running up into the throat area they could be getting squeezed/pinched. I doubt that happens all that often, but I know that it happens.


Distance to lands and Weatherby shouldn't be in the same sentence.


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Re: Pressure signs or crappy brass? [Re: dee] #4308124 06/07/13 10:46 PM
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The effect of seating depth on pressure can be confusing and are easily misunderstood. There are two distinct ways of looking at it:

1. The cartridge, and the cartridge alone - without taking the chamber into account, the rule is that the deeper you seat the bullet, the higher the pressure. This is true for rifles and handguns.

2. The cartridge IN the chamber - the above is true and is ALWAYS true, but the chamber adds a bit of complexity to the question. If your bullet is touching the lands, you can expect to generate 7200 psi above the pressures that the same cartridge would produce in a chamber with a longer leade. This is the figure given in QuickLOAD, which is a pretty good program. I am confident that it is generally useful.


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Re: Pressure signs or crappy brass? [Re: RiverRider] #4308297 06/08/13 12:25 AM
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Thanks for your help guys. I found this article about temp sensitivity


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Going to jump in late, from experience much like yours... get a chrono and watch it close.


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Re: Pressure signs or crappy brass? [Re: Jangle] #4308743 06/08/13 05:23 AM
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Okay so I just did the marker on the bullet to see my seating depth on the 160gr accubond in my markV. I did it 3 times and it was 3.852 each time. I tried to go .015-.03 back but it wouldnt fit in my mag. The longest I could fit was 3.722 coal. I am guessing its okay to start from that coal even though the book says 3.6 max?

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You should be just fine with that length, but be advised that just because that length will fit the magazine does not mean the cartridges will feed.


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Re: Pressure signs or crappy brass? [Re: jesselnick] #4309106 06/08/13 03:50 PM
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I would also suggest you invest in the Hornady kit that allows you measure at the ogive. O.A.L. should not be a factor developing a load, it only matters when it won't fit in the mag. In that case seat deeper until you fit in the mag. Then you will know how much "jump" you have to the lands.


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I have bad luck with Remington rifle brass in 308 and 223.
I have no issues with Remington pistol brass.


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Re: Pressure signs or crappy brass? [Re: RiverRider] #4309323 06/08/13 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: RiverRider
You should be just fine with that length, but be advised that just because that length will fit the magazine does not mean the cartridges will feed.

This can be a problem, albeit more so in semi autos. It wont hurt a thing to dummy up 3 or 4 round s to check of your oal will feed fine. You can always pull the bullets and resize the brass, but i like to keep a dummy load of all my loads to keep on the bench for a quick reference and to make resetting seating depth quicker and easier.

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Speaking from experience, the Mark V leaves a very distinctive mark... and that is it. I can't see it on the left, but the case on the right definitely has it. Not only that but primers while subjective, don't look that great either. Definitely a pressure issue.

In addition to the items already mentioned have you checked your distance to the lands? I doubt you'd be able to reach them and still fit in the magazine but stranger things have happened. I just want to make sure that you're not right up close to the rifling, or touching. That could cause you some problems. Are the cases the proper length? If they're a little long and the neck is running up into the throat area they could be getting squeezed/pinched. I doubt that happens all that often, but I know that it happens.


Distance to lands and Weatherby shouldn't be in the same sentence.



This. Pretty scary.

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Originally Posted By: jesselnick
Okay so I just did the marker on the bullet to see my seating depth on the 160gr accubond in my markV. I did it 3 times and it was 3.852 each time. I tried to go .015-.03 back but it wouldnt fit in my mag. The longest I could fit was 3.722 coal. I am guessing its okay to start from that coal even though the book says 3.6 max?

I would load it up about .020"-.030" shorter than max magazine length. Once you load up about 3-4 rounds, check it for feeding out of the magazine (carefully!!) You should be good at that point. The 160 AB is not a seating depth sensitive bullet, so a jump is fine.


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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
You can also see pressure on the case on the left at the "S" with your 82.5 load. It's a warm load also. I would be using Retumbo or even H50BMG powders. The Magnum powder is very sensitive to temp change. A load safe in the winter could easily be over pressure in the hot summer. I have experienced this, and do not use this powder for that reason. The bigger the case, the more powder it has to effect the temp changes.


Could be just the heat of the day. My long range load is 81 gr of magnum behind a speer 165 gr BT in a 300 win mag and I don't have any problems with it in the fall but I did a little shooting in the summer (about high 80's) and got high pressure signs also.



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Re: Pressure signs or crappy brass? [Re: jesselnick] #4320735 06/14/13 02:37 AM
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So I was messing around with the loads and have come to the conclusion that the remington brass I have is junk.

I lowered my load to 78 grains which is 2 grains lower than the minimum listing and it still marked the brass. I tried different bullets and lengths including sst, spire point and Barnes on minimum loads and the brass was marked as well.

This is the last time I get remington brass.

Thanks everyone for your help

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