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 This is BS.
#423057
09/07/08 04:34 PM
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ishootspoonies
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I'm wondering if anyone else is having this problem... I have been scouting a couple nights a week for the last few weeks, I helped an old man fix up his boat launch in exchange for usuage, I painted the old boat, and I know where the birds are. No one has even asked "hey, ya wanna go do some scouting?" or anything like that. Now, one week before the opener I have 4 or 5 guys who want to hunt opening morning. If I do the obvious, and tell em to go hell, I am stuck hunting alone opening morning. Waterfowling is a social experience, so that doesnt make sense. I know what I'm gonna do, Im gonna have a boat full come Sept 13, but its just irratating  I had this same problem catfishing this spring. No one wanted to go catch baits and set lines, but everyone was up for checking them the next day. Damn Freeloaders. Anyone else have this problem or what?
I like spoonie, his humor is dryer than my duck lease.
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Re: This is BS.
[Re: ishootspoonies]
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09/07/08 04:58 PM
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OOOOOOHHHHHH, Probably everyone that has hunted or fished very much.
Did you ask any of those folks to go with you when you went scouting??
Your the problem, it is just like nothing will get done at work if I don't do it myself.
Until you get it across to the "Free Loaders", that they are going to have to be involved with the preliminaries, if they expect to be involved with the outcome, whether shooting birds or filleting fish, then they are going to have to help with the work.
There are all kinds of ways to get them to help or leave you alone, it is up to you to decide which is more important, have a boat load of buddies reap the benefits of the work you did, go by yourself and miss the comaraderie, or tell folks flat out that if they want to play, they are going to have to pay.
It does not have to be monetary, but getting their butts out there with you and helping with the scouting, or helping catch the bait and set the lines, will ensure them of having a good time and you having a good time. JMO.
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[Re: Crazyhorse]
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09/07/08 05:03 PM
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That is why the story of the "Little Red Hen" has been around for so long. It is absolutely true.
There will always be someone waiting to take advantage of the work YOU do.
Good luck.
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[Re: Crazyhorse]
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09/07/08 05:07 PM
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ishootspoonies
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OOOOOOHHHHHH, Probably everyone that has hunted or fished very much.
Did you ask any of those folks to go with you when you went scouting??
Your the problem, it is just like nothing will get done at work if I don't do it myself.
Until you get it across to the "Free Loaders", that they are going to have to be involved with the preliminaries, if they expect to be involved with the outcome, whether shooting birds or filleting fish, then they are going to have to help with the work.
There are all kinds of ways to get them to help or leave you alone, it is up to you to decide which is more important, have a boat load of buddies reap the benefits of the work you did, go by yourself and miss the comaraderie, or tell folks flat out that if they want to play, they are going to have to pay.
It does not have to be monetary, but getting their butts out there with you and helping with the scouting, or helping catch the bait and set the lines, will ensure them of having a good time and you having a good time. JMO.
I agree with everything you said, I'm just irratated right now.
I like spoonie, his humor is dryer than my duck lease.
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[Re: ishootspoonies]
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09/07/08 05:16 PM
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MaggieMTx
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Have to give something to get something also. No help, no go.
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Re: This is BS.
[Re: ishootspoonies]
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09/07/08 05:23 PM
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Fully understandable. That is something all of us get tiored of, especially when these folks go to describing the hunt or all the fish that were caught and ever so conviniently leave out the fact that they were just along for the ride at the end and did not do one thing to get things set up so that there would be a successful outcome.
I got around my problem with such things two ways.
One, I got older and realized that if I wanted to be successful on a hunt or fishing trip, I needed to do my home work.
Two, as I got older, I realized that I had more fun watching other people be successful because of my efforts, than being successful myself.
Nuber Two is why I like guiding people for Turkeys and Javelina and being Camp Bitch around a Deer Camp.
As I stated some time back on here about having an epiphany, I realized that I enjoyed seeing other people be successful, and that when I picked up the gun, my express purpose was to kill something.
The thrill of the kill is no longer there for me, to me it is just an act.
The hunt, the camp time, watching the excitement on the faces of those that have not spent so much time in the field, or killed or caught that much, means much more to me than my own kills/catches.
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[Re: Crazyhorse]
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09/07/08 05:41 PM
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the best way i have found to fix this problem is find hunting buddies that want to do the work as much as you do. and if they dont then they dony go with me. Me and my buds always schedule days to do scouting and some of us go one way and hit 2-3 spots and the others go a differnt direction doing the same meet up eat drink some beer and figure out the best spot to go.
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[Re: ishootspoonies]
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09/07/08 05:48 PM
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are they friends? friends should help friends. you should also be able to talk to friends about this. could be that they are used to u "taking care" of them. sounds like freeloaders to me and they know u r gonna handle things for them. 
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09/07/08 06:04 PM
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hmmm.... i can think of a few ways they can earn those spots on the boat.
lunch, gas, boat/carwash, decoys, bird retrieval, and so on.
or just tell them it takes $30 to help cover all your costs. most people who have ever hunted know that it's a fair deal and costs a lot to be the "guide".
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09/07/08 06:15 PM
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I agree...and bobcat has a point too. Dude, we pay for the boats and insurance ALL year, take care of the keepup on them. But I guess I am blessed with a group of guys that when we pull up to the gas station they pay for the gas and my morning drinks and snacks. This puts a smile on my face. There is nothing worse than going to the blind bitter about one of the guys in the boat.
Spoonies, wait till the morning of the hunt to get gas, then just ask the guys if they can chip in on gas. I'm sure they wont mind. If they do, you know what kind of bud they are. Just some thoughts.
kill em and grill em
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[Re: duckedupboys]
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09/07/08 06:34 PM
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I hunt alone more often than not. The guys I have invited in the past don't have gas money, don't have lunch money, don't help pay the motel, forget their shotgun shells, trash my vehicle, and don't have the common courtesy to want to thank the farmer or landowner for the opportunity to hunt. Now, I enjoy my own company.
Bilbo Baggins
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[Re: duckedupboys]
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09/07/08 06:38 PM
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the good " hands" always get invited back.
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Re: This is BS.
[Re: ishootspoonies]
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09/07/08 10:26 PM
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Get youself a dog, then you never have to hunt alone, and they always pull their weight. Best hunt'n bud you will ever have.
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[Re: Guy]
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09/07/08 10:29 PM
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Quote:
Get youself a dog, then you never have to hunt alone, and they always pull their weight. Best hunt'n bud you will ever have.
couldn't have said it better myself
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09/07/08 10:36 PM
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Why sweat it. Hunting by yourself can also be a great reward. I know duck hunting is more of a "social hunt" but theres nothing like going solo and reeping your own rewards. If people want to hunt with us it's manditory that they help in the work or they just don't go. Be-it scouting, dragging boats, or preping gear. It's just the way we roll. Most have learned that come october 1 it's time to start calling to see whats-up with the schedual of events to come. Or you can keep doing what your doing and put up with the free loaders. But then you have to keep it to yourself.
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09/07/08 11:57 PM
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JAC
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Tell them that you'll drive and use your equipment and your boat. They need to cover the gas. Fill up before you leave. Fill up again on on your way home but have them pay the 2nd time.
If they're serious, they'll pay. You still have the wear and tear, but don't have the heavy fuel cost.
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[Re: JAC]
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09/08/08 12:51 AM
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I'm with you. I have the boat, I built the blind, and I have the dog. And it's funny how some of the people you bring always have something to say about it when hunting or fishing but also always have an excuse when it's time to work on it.
My situation is getting better because I'm letting people know that they need to help me. You may need to do more of the same thing.
"Guns aren't toys!They're for family protection,hunting dangerous or delicious animals,and keeping the King of England out of your face!" H.Simpson 
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Re: This is BS.
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09/08/08 01:10 AM
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I know how to show them.... take me.  J/K. Have you told them how much you do to make sure everyone has a good hunt? Do they really know what it takes... all the $$ and time you have invested? Have you let them know that you are not cool with it and you need some help? If you have let them know and they still don't help then, I agree with the post above that said to find some friends who are willing to invest the $$ and time to help out. If you have not flat out told them, then they probably don't know just what you put into it. Good luck though !
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09/08/08 11:42 AM
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Spoonie dude...
I agree with several of the comments...
But if it were me...
I would go solo, and then show them and tell them that you got your limit in short order and took great video and took picture for the next hour or so...
For me to take someone...they have to help put effort into the hunt...also, who is to say that these "freeloaders" are going to return the next day or so, or when you are working and hunt your spot...
Trust me there is "always" more than one way to get to a spot!!!!!!!
J.J.
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09/08/08 11:51 AM
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Here's the deal. There's always someone who has to do the details. You're the guy. The other guys probably aren't going to 'cause they ain't built like you. You do it because you believe that it's necessary, which it is. Most of my buddies kind of lost interest in hunting and fishing as we got older. Not me. I love it. And I'm going, whether they go or not. But don't stew on the situation, go out, enjoy it, have some fun. Life ain't long and it's way too short to get worked up over other people's stuff. 
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Re: This is BS.
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09/08/08 12:41 PM
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Quote:
I'm wondering if anyone else is having this problem...
I have been scouting a couple nights a week for the last few weeks, I helped an old man fix up his boat launch in exchange for usuage, I painted the old boat, and I know where the birds are. No one has even asked "hey, ya wanna go do some scouting?" or anything like that. Now, one week before the opener I have 4 or 5 guys who want to hunt opening morning.
If I do the obvious, and tell em to go hell, I am stuck hunting alone opening morning. Waterfowling is a social experience, so that doesnt make sense.
I know what I'm gonna do, Im gonna have a boat full come Sept 13, but its just irratating
I had this same problem catfishing this spring. No one wanted to go catch baits and set lines, but everyone was up for checking them the next day. Damn Freeloaders.
Anyone else have this problem or what?
Hummmmmmmm Spoonies they are your friends !!!!!!!! I wouldn't have friends pay to hunt with me. If you invite them to hunt or fish, then it's your treat. But if they know ahead of time you want them to help, then by all means they should put it sometime helping. I read your post differently I guess, you said you helped fix the boat launch for exchange for usage, so the old man helped you to have a place to lanuch, you said you painted the boat, is it your boat?? Would you have painted it anyways? Does the old man own this boat?? You see maybe somebody else is helping you in a small way. 
Sometimes that's the price we pay for the social experience!! Maybe you should just go along a few times, and see, if it's what you want to do. Hunt for the love of hunting, or if you just want the social experience??
If I invited you to hunt with me, I would ask for help with putting out dekes/ blocks, help with setting up and taking down the blind, but location and scouting would have been done already, because I would still be going out, even if you didn't want to hunt that day. 
Team Hillbilly
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09/08/08 01:13 PM
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ishootspoonies
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Yeh, I'm over the whole deal, I was just aggrevated at the time. I wasnt talking about the old man with the launch... he was great to me, and I invited him to hunt anytime he wants....
There are some good people (relatives and freinds that have helped contribute), I was talking more about the college kids I see everyday in class, and now all of a sudden are asking whats up for the 13th.
I guess my post came off pretty brash, I was just kind of amazed that my phone rang from 5 different people that day that havent called me since last season. I was just wondering if other people had a bunch of "friends" comming out of the wood work like they won the lottery.
Didnt mean to sound like a condesending jerk.
I like spoonie, his humor is dryer than my duck lease.
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09/08/08 01:16 PM
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It always amazes me how many friends and family I have when hunting season gets close. I have 155 acres that always has deer, dove, coons and all sorts of stuff to shoot. I never hear from anyone until about a week before dove season. This year I put a stop to it. Luckily my 8 year old and wife enjoy hunting so i still get the social aspect of it.
Suck it up and tell them no this time.
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[Re: ishootspoonies]
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09/08/08 01:17 PM
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Beman Deamon
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ISHOOTSPOONIES anytime you need help with anything just let me know. Been kinda a solo flyer these last few years and its not good. so just let me know man!
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09/08/08 01:32 PM
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I guess it boils down to figuring out if these people are really your friends or not. If you have not heard from them since last season those don't really seem like friends to me. If you have a real friend and they want to go hunting with you then that friend will pay you back in the future in other ways. I've got friends that I've taken hunting that are not really into duck hunting at all...I just wanted to show them something I really love doing hoping that they would like it as well.
When it comes to costs etc...if there are some extra costs associated with a hunt and that person is a real friend you should have no problem telling them the costs and that they need to be split.
Dear Lord please bullwhip me for saying this but I agree, Marcstar is in the lead. Please nobody use this as a quote!!!
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