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Re: Can I legally shoot neighbor's pigs and goats ? [Re: Billbreaker] #3602451 09/25/12 01:34 PM
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Re: Can I legally shoot neighbor's pigs and goats ? [Re: RKHarm24] #3602497 09/25/12 01:49 PM
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Shoot them and dont worry about it. After the owner of the animals realizes that his herd is depleting, He'll get the idea.

Re: Can I legally shoot neighbor's pigs and goats ? [Re: RKHarm24] #3602637 09/25/12 02:41 PM
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probably not wise to shoot goats, but pigs could be a different story. Might need to check if a "free roaming" pig equals to "feral pig".
Maybe best way to start hog trap on your property and call animal control for pig infestation.
Do you have a large dog? Keep it chained/leashed, with long leash to let them run goats/pigs.
May need to explain that neighboor that pigs are permitted to be hunted any time of the day AND night. And when you hunting pigs at night or under limited visibility condition, you cannot see if it is pink and wears pet collar or yellow/brown feral pig. And goats look like deer does at dusk/dawn, at 100 yards away.

Re: Can I legally shoot neighbor's pigs and goats ? [Re: Red D] #3602659 09/25/12 02:48 PM
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shoot em!

Re: Can I legally shoot neighbor's pigs and goats ? [Re: kgreer26] #3602726 09/25/12 03:03 PM
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I would check the county laws first. In some counties it is YOUR obligation to fence animals out, and not their obligation to fence them in. If thats the case the only thing you can do is build a fence.

Get in contact with the sheriff. They will tell you what you can and can not do. They may also turn it over to some sort of agency that deals with animals. This is the best way to keep your butt out of trouble.


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Re: Can I legally shoot neighbor's pigs and goats ? [Re: Shorty Gorham] #3602829 09/25/12 03:38 PM
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On one of the places I hunt, there's no livestock and it's really grown up and tempting for the neighbor's cows. Especially since his place is grazed down to nothing. The first time they tore down the fence, I chased them back onto the neighbor's place and patched the fence. A week or so later they tore down a different section of fence and were back. I penned the cows in the lot and called him to come get them. That meant hooking up a trailer and driving over to load them up. About a month later they were back. I penned them again and waited 3 days before I called. BTW - There's no water in the lot. This time he decided to do proper repairs to the fence and I haven't had any recent problems.


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Re: Can I legally shoot neighbor's pigs and goats ? [Re: RKHarm24] #3602841 09/25/12 03:43 PM
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I would round up the goats and have a big party. They are good eatin! food


Re: Can I legally shoot neighbor's pigs and goats ? [Re: Big_Country01] #3604009 09/25/12 09:22 PM
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Re: Can I legally shoot neighbor's pigs and goats ? [Re: GuidedHunter] #3605015 09/26/12 01:46 AM
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So, were is the OP? Any updates?

Re: Can I legally shoot neighbor's pigs and goats ? [Re: lharrell79] #3605258 09/26/12 02:41 AM
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If its pigs just say you thought they were wild. If it was goat catch them and have a video on your game camera of it happening and lock it so the boy won't be able to free them.

Re: Can I legally shoot neighbor's pigs and goats ? [Re: Don Dial] #3638467 10/07/12 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted By: Don Dial
It's illegal to shot anyone else's anything unless they are doing
you harm or threatening you or someone else...A lady in Boerne who live out toward Town Lake went to Germany a few yrs. back and
purchased an $18,000 German Sheppard..She lived in a country sub-division..her next door neighbor has purchased 3 sheep to keep her grass down..the dog killed the sheep, and the neighbor shot the dog..The lady went next door asked her if she shot her dog, got the answer and that the sheep costs $96 ea..and she wasn't raising sheep..paid her..Sued her and got almost a quarter of a
million dollars for the dog and it's potential get..Watch what you do..also in Texas, most folks have a problem with someone who
shoots livestock..Don


I would check with law enforcement first, but in Texas I believe that stray pets get one "free kill" (if even that) chance (as in they can attack livestock one time and the owner of the pets only has to pay for the livestock and agree to keep the stray animals from straying and the owner of the livestock can not shoot the animals) after that one time the owner of the live stock or other animals is free to shoot away

again I would check with law enforcement first, but there was a pretty public case near Dripping Springs where a large winery formerly owned by a well known restauranteur in Austin had a pet dog killed by the neighbors much larger Swiss Mountain dogs on their winery property and the next time it happened (after law enforcement had been called and advised all parties of the laws) the dogs were shot on site on the property and law enforcement was called and the dog owners were told tough luck second strike can equal getting shot and you were warned the first time

Re: Can I legally shoot neighbor's pigs and goats ? [Re: 603Country] #3638993 10/07/12 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted By: 603Country
Having the goats impounded is by far the best answer to the problem. But...as I mentioned, the cowboy that the Sheriff's office was supposed to send to impound the goats never showed up. I even hired some other guys to rope the goats and then take them to be impounded, but they didn't catch the first darn goat. So..impound is good if you can make it happen. Unfortunately, I think the goat problem is something that bothers only one person (the OP, in this case). Hardly anybody else will give a darn. I recommend a program of discreet goat culling - slowly, quietly, and over time. Today there might be 15 goats. Next week there might be 14 goats. And on and on.


goat ropers?

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Are your feeders fenced?

Re: Can I legally shoot neighbor's pigs and goats ? [Re: ndhunter] #3640045 10/07/12 10:59 PM
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Yup! Goat ropers. Given that this part of Texas isn't where the big money people live, there are a lot of people that would love a free goat. Well before I finally bought em and shot em, I offered some guys free goats if they could catch em. Weren't my goats, but I didn't care. I figured if the goats disappeared, the old hermit that owned them would never figure out where they went. So...about 5 trucks showed up, with horse trailers and cowboys. The goats actually watched all of that from a distance, but when the goat ropin cowboys went toward the goats, the goats shot into the thickets, and not one free goat got collected. That's when I went to Plan B, bought the goats for $25 each and shot em. I gotta tell you that there was joy in my heart when I put the crosshairs on goat number 1 and squeezed. Goat number 2 stood up and appeared to say "what the heck is going on?" That lapse in judgement was his last. I think I got 5 of the 8 before they wised up. First shot at 30 yards and last shot at about 300. My goats, by golly! I can shoot em if I want to. And then I had some whiskey. And then I dragged the goats to the back pasture and laid em out for coyotes and pigs and the next day I went to work on those varmints. Man, it was a great week for the food chain. I was grinning, the wife was grinning, the buzzards were grinning.


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[quote=603Country]Yup! Goat ropers. Given that this part of Texas isn't where the big money people live, there are a lot of people that would love a free goat. Well before I finally bought em and shot em, I offered some guys free goats if they could catch em. Weren't my goats, but I didn't care. I figured if the goats disappeared, the old hermit that owned them would never figure out where they went. So...about 5 trucks showed up, with horse trailers and cowboys. The goats actually watched all of that from a distance, but when the goat ropin cowboys went toward the goats, the goats shot into the thickets, and not one free goat got collected. That's when I went to Plan B, bought the goats for $25 each and shot em. I gotta tell you that there was joy in my heart when I put the crosshairs on goat number 1 and squeezed. Goat number 2 stood up and appeared to say "what the heck is going on?" That lapse in judgement was his last. I think I got 5 of the 8 before they wised up. First shot at 30 yards and last shot at about 300. My goats, by golly! I can shoot em if I want to. And then I had some whiskey. And then I dragged the goats to the back pasture and laid em out for coyotes and pigs and the next day I went to work on those varmints. Man, it was a great week for the food chain. I was grinning, the wife was grinning, the buzzards were grinning. /quote]

thats some of funniest stuff ive read in a while

Re: Can I legally shoot neighbor's pigs and goats ? [Re: erok11] #3744297 11/11/12 03:21 AM
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Anyone know what the law is in Erath county? We've had about 20 goats killin our feeders for about 9 months. Tried pellet guns and what not.. still keep coming in.

They know how to exploit our feeder pens really well.

Re: Can I legally shoot neighbor's pigs and goats ? [Re: Navasot] #3744328 11/11/12 03:33 AM
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GW is most likley insane busy right now. Give your sheriff a call since you already posted it up on here.... next time just take care of buisness....its ur property



Exactly. Better not kill them now.

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Regardless of open range status, the owner of livestock is still responsible for damages that his livestock do if they get out. I have been down that road on several occasions. Irresponsible land owner continued to let his cattle graze on surrounding properties (primarily mine), and didn't have any intention on rounding them up or repairing fences. Conversations with him only ended up with the "open range" speech and how it isn't his responsibility to fence them in, it was mine to fence them out. Did quite a bit of research and spoke with county and state agencies (Texas & Southwest Cattle Raisers Association investigator was most helpful). I learned that (regardless of county open range status) the livestock owner is always responsible for damages. First, notify the sheriff as soon as you see the livestock on your property. The sheriff then contacts the livestock owner and requests that the livestock be removed. After being notified, if the livestock is not removed within a "reasonable" amount of time, the sheriff MAY impound the livestock. Additionally, from the time the livestock were first reported on your property, the sheriff MAY impose up to a $25 per head per day grazing fee. The county CAN hold the livestock until the fees are paid to you. If the fees are not paid, the county can auction off the livestock and give you the proceeds. Also, after the first "warning" by the sheriff, fines can be imposed each additional time the livestock are observed outside of the owners land. I should point out, that this was in a county where the open range status is still on the books.
I ran into a bit of trouble along the good ole boys line with the sheriff. He did issue a $500 fine when I reported the livestock the second time, but he didn't want to bother with the hassle of impounding the livestock (even though he acknowledged that he could). Also, since he had known the livestock owner for a long time, he didn't want to impose the grazing fee "just yet."
I did take the guy to court, and despite his open range defense, was awarded a substantial amount for damages to my food plots, pastures, etc.

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goats


it is almost Thanksgiving

you need to rent a yellow bus and go to the day labor corner with the promise of free cabrito just for rounding them up

Re: Can I legally shoot neighbor's pigs and goats ? [Re: Someone] #4130870 03/19/13 03:15 PM
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welp i'm here to attest that picking out the largest goat you can find and taking it out with a .243 does not, in fact, solve the goat problem.

just means more corn for the others apparently...

on to something else..

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Regardless of open range status, the owner of livestock is still responsible for damages that his livestock do if they get out. I have been down that road on several occasions. Irresponsible land owner continued to let his cattle graze on surrounding properties (primarily mine), and didn't have any intention on rounding them up or repairing fences. Conversations with him only ended up with the "open range" speech and how it isn't his responsibility to fence them in, it was mine to fence them out. Did quite a bit of research and spoke with county and state agencies (Texas & Southwest Cattle Raisers Association investigator was most helpful). I learned that (regardless of county open range status) the livestock owner is always responsible for damages. First, notify the sheriff as soon as you see the livestock on your property. The sheriff then contacts the livestock owner and requests that the livestock be removed. After being notified, if the livestock is not removed within a "reasonable" amount of time, the sheriff MAY impound the livestock. Additionally, from the time the livestock were first reported on your property, the sheriff MAY impose up to a $25 per head per day grazing fee. The county CAN hold the livestock until the fees are paid to you. If the fees are not paid, the county can auction off the livestock and give you the proceeds. Also, after the first "warning" by the sheriff, fines can be imposed each additional time the livestock are observed outside of the owners land. I should point out, that this was in a county where the open range status is still on the books.
I ran into a bit of trouble along the good ole boys line with the sheriff. He did issue a $500 fine when I reported the livestock the second time, but he didn't want to bother with the hassle of impounding the livestock (even though he acknowledged that he could). Also, since he had known the livestock owner for a long time, he didn't want to impose the grazing fee "just yet."
I did take the guy to court, and despite his open range defense, was awarded a substantial amount for damages to my food plots, pastures, etc.
Great info PI. Thanks for posting that.


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Re: Can I legally shoot neighbor's pigs and goats ? [Re: RKHarm24] #4131627 03/19/13 08:52 PM
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It was on the ballot last year in Henderson Co. to do away with the open range law.

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You can and most likely will be sued for shooting someone else's livestock in Texas. However if you find them on your property you can fence them and feed them. The owner is obligated by law to reimburse you for their care. If he doesn't after 30 days its to the sale barn. I had to do that with a few of the neighbors cows. Different counties have different laws, so go talk to a farm lawyer!


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Many property owners either will not or cannot afford to fix their fences for their stock..Shooting livestock can equate to "Rustling", in some cases. Call your local Sheriffs' Ofc and have their animal control ofcr. come out catch them ..he will charge the property owner for them or sell them at auction..and you will have no liability...The pigs must be ear marked to consider them farm animals if free ranging..DD

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Not really a livestock problem. This is a people problem. Contact the sheriff and let him handle it.


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