or even yellow

Are those every hundred yards? What happens when you need something between them. Are you going to have to carry a chart to tell you what each color means? Can you see those colors in low light?

No you can set them to any range you want using any ballistics soft ware or swaro's program. And you can adjust if you want. Same as using a mil or moa turret. or you can get any turret you want made for it.

If you can't see them in low light then you don't need to shooting that far.

At least look at the links to have a better understanding of them

"If you can't see them in low light then you don't need to be shooting that far."

I guess you've not predator hunted at night?

All my life.. You got a light that works out to 400-600 yards that works well enough to completely identify the animal?

And what is beyond the target?

I still like the Swaro scope with the colored turrets, at my age and eyes plus refusing to wear Bifocals, reading those colors on the turrets is a lot easier than reading numbers. As far as those inbetween ranges the turrets have very distinct clicks for each step up so easy to count them for the inbetween ranges to apply your dope just like with the turrets with numbers on them.

No light that works to 400 yards. I still dial for 200 to 300 though.

I think y'all like the pretty colors. Numbers must seem too scientific.

I will add my take on this.

For a true long range rig, from 500 to 1k or beyond I absolutely believe in a FFP scope and a mil/mil scope. I tape a cheat sheet from 250 to 1k in 50 yard increments and a 10mph crosswind to the stock of my gun. That data is an average of where/when I shoot most of the time.

For hunting, I go back and forth.

Dialing is definitely the most precise.
And I generally prefer a "tactical" scope in FFP, mil/mil.
Not a fan of BDC reticles in general.

Having a turret with yardage markers or indexes with your load data is great for the average hunter shooting out to say 4 hundred (which lets be honest is FAR for most hunters) works great because the environmental changes don't really effect bullet path THAT much at these distances.

It is easy and fast.

I used a Zeiss FL last year with a custom turret, sort of as an accident. They sent me one for review that have a 7mag 150g turret that pretty much lined up with my 280AI 140g load out to 500. I liked that turret a lot because I would keep it at a 250 yard zero setting which kept me good from 50-300 for fast shots.

Past that or if I had time I could pull up and dial in exactly say 375 or 150.

Simple and it worked.

A mil based scope isn't any harder if you have a little cheat sheet, range, 350, look at chart, dial. But it does take an extra second or two which can be a big deal on a big buck crossing an opening and disappearing into the trees.

I also will admit to totally screwing up recently.
Had some hogs out about 300 yards, got lined up, put the crosshair behind the ear and squeezed the trigger.

Was quite perplexed as to why it didn't drop.
Then I realized I had the turret set for a 500 yard shot as I had been at the range a few days before and just brainfarted on not checking before I shot. Luckily it was just a hog not the buck of a lifetime.

That's human error and not the fault of the gear or the type of setup. But it does reinforce my preference to hunt with a really flat shooting rifle (I had the 308 out that day) and running standard scope with no dials to screw up with.

I worked up the data with a Meopta 3-12 scope for my 280AI and feel confident out to 450 with this setup and no dials.

Fireman.
Your system works for you.
The BT is fairly simple to use for general hunting.
Does either work ?Yes
Is each pretty simple to figure out? Yes
Chevy? Ford? Dodge? Toyota?....you pick
Both " work"
To each his own.

if your any good at predator hunting then all of your shots are below 100 yds

I dont have to make ajustment to 300. I hold dead on. If you have to make more then a 2" adjustment ya might need a flatter caliber

Ha!

I'm a better shooter than a caller. Before I was able to put lead on fur, as far as I can now, we have been busted farther than 100 yards. Once we see wide set eyes (coyote) I'm looking through the scope for a body. Narrow set eyes (bobcat) are given more time, because they take more time to come in. In either case once I have a shot it is taken. Having calves and kids (goats) killed, and injured, has ticked us off for so many years that I wanted to be able to kill anything than came close enough to get a shine on their eyes. And its not hard to miss a bobcat outside 150 yards or a coyote outside 200. That is why I want a precise dial point on the turret.

Thats going to caught up to you sooner or later at night. But thats your own deal and if you feel comfortable shooting that far at night so be it

I thought .22-250 was flat. My .260 holds about the same trajectory to 400, but its a bit much for a bobcat.

Inches are irrelavent. Everyone touts shot placement, well that's what I'm doing, making very good shot placement. Last week I was at a bud's range, we started at 430 yds and went to 1280. We changed locations and could see some different targets (canyons). He described were another target was, I found it, he told me it was 302 yards. He hit it, then I hit it. I didn't really think to measure its size before engaging it. After I hit it he told me it is 3" in diameter. That's pretty tight shooting, which is what predator shooting is all about.

Don't even get me started on prarie dog pups, they're bitzy small, especially outside 200 yards.

Have you done any reach on the swaro yet?

I know what you're meaning. We make those shots in a known location with plenty of trees and berms as a backstop and cattle at our 6 o'clock. I wouldn't dare make those shots where there was a chance of hitting a person, a structure, or livestock. I don't want that on my conscious.

I had the video pulled up on the computer at the station last night and right away another Fireman came in asking me about the value of a rifle he was thinking of buying, then we got a call. So, not yet.

just saying

I just watched the 8 minute video. As I suspected, that is a 1/4 MOA turret dumbed down. Its a gimmick, but if you like it, by all means use it. They could take their perdy colored dots off and replace it with a 1/4 MOA turret with numbers and hash marks, and you have the same system, but only better.

Fine duplex reticle? So you have very little reference point in the reticle to know what wind you're holding. I guess wind doesn't exist in Swarovski's world. No way would a hunter need to account for wind ouside 100 yards. Especially at 400 yards.

Mil/ Mil or MOA/ MOA is far better. I'm sticking to my guns, sorry.

There is nothing wrong with MIL/MOA. My turrets on my Z5 are custom made to my gun with 100,150,200...550,600 yard markings. I can dial in the middle of the mountains with no drop chart when my hands are so cold I can barely feel the trigger squeeze. If you are shooting beyond 300 yards you REALLY need to practice and any system will fail when the trigger is jerked.

How about this... Lets go to the mountains at 13k feet in waist deep snow. Leave your gear with the horses and you just have your rifle while stalking. As you crest the apex, Ibex scatter and you not only have to range them, judge them and pick a good one, but they move again and were at 300 but are now at 400 in a matter of 20 seconds.

Would you rather fumble with a chart or dial and shoot.

I used my turret, and was pleased with the results. My range finder on the other hand... It was total crap in the blinding snow.

I don't fumble with anything. I happen to keep a 100 yard increment chart in my ocular scope cap.

But since you mentioned 300 yards, I have memorized 1.0 Mil. You also memorized 400 yards, I have memorized 1.8 Mil

If I didn't I could put stickers or a dab of paint on my 100 yard increments. The reason I have those memorized is because I put a thousand rounds a year through that rifle. So I get my practice, and I'm well aware of trigger control.

FiremanJG,

I'm not saying its the best option for you, but for many others it is. When my dad borrows my gun, he doesn't need to know my load and caliber, just dial. Most hunters shoot 10 or so times a year, if that. They don't put 1000s of rounds down the chamber. You can go to snipers hide forum and get a lot of people to agree with you.

Kevin

You're making my point for me. Your dad wouldn't need to know any of your ballistic information with a Mil or MOA scope either. Color the corresponding Mil or MOA line yourself and you have the same thing Swaro is doing.

All I'm saying is it is a gimmick to separate hunters from their money. And it gives them a false sense of security since there is no attention given to the reticle for windage.

Contrary to some people's belief the Mil or MOA reticle (not even talking turrets now) is not just for ranging. In fact most of us rarely use it for that. The subtensions on the horizontal bar are for wind holds and they are vital. DOPE is recorded, maintained, and memorized for wind holds. Another reason I hate BDC reticles, they give a false sense of security.

Oh, and I am a member of that forum, I've made many friends there, learned volumes, and compete in matches that are posted there. But no matter, distance shooting is distance shooting and it is more important to be a capable shooter when taking game than it is punching paper or ringing steel. We owe it to the animals we hunt.