What load combinations are you looking at, both of those are light if your using 150's or 165's.

This is still being debated? Here's how it goes... You find an article defending what you prefer and I find one defending what I prefer, add a few comments and then repeat.

Never mind,this is entertaining. Keep it going!

This has probably been cussed and discussed quite often. I have seen reputable shooters here recommend a .308. I know that a 30-06 has a larger variety of factory made ammo.

So why would anybody recommend a .308 over a 30-06? What will a .308 do that a 30-06 won't?

Ford-Chevy.

I like the flexibility of the .30-06. If you intend to split pubes at 800 meters, maybe there is some math somewhere that says the .308 is a better cartridge for you, but if you intend to kill a variety of animals on the North American continent with factory ammunition (or want the flexibility to kill all of 'em), I don't see that the ".30-06 short" conveys much tangible advantage apart from an almost negligible reduction in recoil (and if you feel recoil when you're hunting you're either toting a .338-.378 Weatherby or you need to get your adrenals checked).

If you're just looking to kill stuff South of Canada, what's the difference?

If you're just looking to kill stuff South of Amarillo, neither of the two really does anything that a .243 Winchester won't do just as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_GjFMzVT7c

Pics of said Whitworth?

Agreed.

Ford-Chevy.

I like the flexibility of the .30-06. If you intend to split pubes at 800 meters, maybe there is some math somewhere that says the .308 is a better cartridge for you, but if you intend to kill a variety of animals on the North American continent with factory ammunition (or want the flexibility to kill all of 'em), I don't see that the ".30-06 short" conveys much tangible advantage apart from an almost negligible reduction in recoil (and if you feel recoil when you're hunting you're either toting a .338-.378 Weatherby or you need to get your adrenals checked).

If you're just looking to kill stuff South of Canada, what's the difference?

If you're just looking to kill stuff South of Amarillo, neither of the two really does anything that a .243 Winchester won't do just as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_GjFMzVT7c

Never dwell on which is better.

A true rifle looney will own a .30-06 AND a .308 AND a .243 (and probably multiple rifles for each). Such variety provides hours of tinkering, reloading, chronographing, and shooting pleasure.

Hunting is just the icing on the cake.

Never dwell on which is better.

A true rifle looney will own a .30-06 AND a .308 AND a .243 (and probably multiple rifles for each). Such variety provides hours of tinkering, reloading, chronographing, and shooting pleasure.

Hunting is just the icing on the cake.

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But I still prefer the 308s knockdown power, and I'll say it again "I've never shot a 30-06" so I can really compare knockdown power besides the ballistics.

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But I still prefer the 308s knockdown power, and I'll say it again "I've never shot a 30-06" so I can really compare knockdown power besides the ballistics.

Hereinabove, one finds truth.

Yes, but I was referring to the 243. What are you trying to say a 308 wont knock down deer? I've never, ever seen a deer run from a shoulder shot with the 308. Never. Period. If that isn't "knock down" power then what is? It literally knocks the deer down off his feet onto his belly or side, usually side. The deer does not fly off its feet, it's simply knocked down. Don't over complicate things. What kind of bullets do you use gbeard?

Just playing devil's advocate, but I broke a big bodied 8 point down with a 100 grain .243 when I was eleven. Never took a step.

It's a simple answer. The '06 can push the exact same .308 bullet about 150 to 200 fps faster than a 308 Win. More speed equals more energy, less drop and less wind drift. More speed also means more recoil. Simple.

John Taylor, the old African hunter and writer, invented an arbitrary cartridge ranking that he called "knock-out" power. The fact that it had no basis in science and physics bothered him little.

Maybe it's time that someone here on the THF should rank cartridges according to "knock-down" ability. A working knowledge of momentum, kinetic energy, and terminal ballistics need not be a prerequisite. However, the ability to shout loudly might come in handy.....