Just pondering about the current situation and wondering how good an idea it is to buy a new AR right now.

With these companies producing AR's as fast as they possibly can I wonder about the quality of the weapons being shipped out of the factories. Seems like most of the ones being bought from the big boxes are being immediately flipped for profit.

I guess the question is whether these companies (bushmaster, s&w, DPMS etc) are still employing the same quality control measures or just shipping out whatever comes off the line.

What are your thoughts? Anyone inspected/shot one of these new panic produced weapons?

BM, S&W, DPMS, etc. never really had great CQ as far as I'm concerned. S&W better than the other 2 you mentioned. Windham bought DPMS, I think, but idk if that's a good or bad thing for them. For the money I still think Spike's is, & will remain to be, the best bang for the buck. The best, no. But a heck of a lot better than the others you've mentioned.

I think QC is probably the same for the big name brands. However, I would worry about all the "mom and pop" outfits that are popping up.

That is so far from the truth I'm not even sure how to begin with that.

Richard Dyke (owner/starter of Bushmaster) got screwed basically by Cerberus Capital as the Bushmaster plant in Windham Main was shuttered and production shifted to Remington....Richard Dyke took the shuttered plant and Started Windham Weaponry.

Bushmaster, Remington, DPMS are all owned by Freedom group, owned by Cerberus.

The people that made the best Bushmasters ...all the employees that were let go, and the Brains behind Bushmaster are now making Windham Weaponry AR's.

So if you want a real Bushmaster or well built rifle, get a Windham. The new Bushmasters are not the same quality they once were.

So I got crap & crap mixed up(DPMS & Bushmaster) on who Windham bought. The rest IS the truth.

I don't think Windham has bought anything.

As far as I am aware, they never "bought" Bushmaster, but did go on to produce under Windham.

But to answer the OP's question - I haven't tried one out yet, but it's entirely possible, though my guess would be that the same mQC is going into all, as it was before.

Where are you getting your information from?

Has S&W been turning out poor quality ARs? News to me. Plenty of happy M&P owners proudly support and back the S&W M&Ps.

It may be too early to tell...

I wouldn't be surprised though if issues started cropping up after a while. I just don't see how they could ramp up production like they seem to be doing and maintain the same quality...especially if they are hiring new staff to do it.

BTW, I had a S&W M&P and it was a quality weapon. I never had any issues with it.

I get more worried about ammo QC during these times more than anything.

That too. I reload, though, so that isn't a concern for me.

I guess I got quality & quality control confused. Sorry.

I said S&W was the best of the ones mentioned.

Yes sir I understand and I read that.

I'll ask again, "Has S&W been turning out poor quality ARs?"

I'm seriously wondering what information have you gathered that would influence a negative opinion about S&W M&P products.

The gun companies have parts shortages and they are only working as fast as they can get parts and raw materials. They may have more idle time than we think.

If BM and S&W have poor CQ then why do so many LEs agencies use them? It sounds like you know very little about this subject.

To answer the question... Yes, they are producing them as fast as they can, but the same CQ polices and warranties are still in place. I bought a DDM4 and a PSA not too long ago and they both function flawlessly. Now ill be set if I can just find a place where I can buy more than one box of 300 blackout 220 gr t a time

You mention DD & PSA. They are NOT part of this equation. It's called lowest bid my friend. Evidently YOU know very little, or more so have very little experience working under, a low bid contract (ie. government). The koolaide is on the table to the left.

So what your saying is that agencies are sacrificing quality for price? If so, then you have just proven my point. Sometimes it's just better to admit you misspoke instead of digging a deeper hole.....

Does S&W have a better product than DD, Noveske, BCM, PSA, ARP, Spike's? NO!!!!!!! Never said S&W sucks. Just said they are sub-par compared to the better options!

Well of course there are always better options, but to say S&W doesn't have good quality control is very ignorant and ill informed.

On a daily basis agencies are sacrificing quality for money.100% allllllllllllllllllll day long. There are many dept. who don't spend the time to find the best option, or even the best bang for the buck. 1/2 the time someone says 'hey, this gun rules' & it becomes a staple for a product. And how does that mean I'm wrong? Price has nothing to do w/quality but it has has a huge impact on choices made. Figure that riddle out!

I've dealt w/S&W on a personal basis. From what I gathered it was a 'we'll dish it out & deal w/the problems as they arise' type attitude. If you've dealt w/them & received a different reception from them then good for you. As for me, I have not.

And you know this how? This is the first I've ever heard of this? I noticed you once again failed to answer the question that was asked about the CQ issues with S&W

From personal experience!!! I'm sorry it's not the answer you were hoping not to get. I answered the question. What more do you want?????? Bad chamfering, weak so-called M4 ramps, FTF, FTE, dry panties?????? Jeez!

Smith makes TWO categories of AR's. Their cheapie version is basically a plinker called the M&P Sport and the upscale version is the M&P 15. The latter's parts were initially made by Continental Machine and Tool and assembled by S&W which makes it a very good weapon indeed. Smith ultimate goal was to shift away from CMT as production source and make everything in house. It's unclear if this has happened.