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Re: Illegal to Run Deer with Hounds in TX? [Re: TEXAN1970] #3853938 12/16/12 10:51 PM
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Your property owner is telling you to commit an illegal act.....

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I'll have to check to confirm it, but I believe there is something in the TPW code that forbids harassing game animals. Not completely sure, but I'll research it.


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Coon hunter, here is your answer.

A person is prohibited from using a dog to hunt or pursue deer in this state. A person who violates this law is subject to a fine of $500-$4,000 and/or a year in jail. Additionally, a person's hunting and fishing licenses may be revoked or suspended. In addition, no person may possess a shotgun and buckshot or slugs while in the field with dogs on another person's land during an open deer season in Angelina, Hardin, Harris, Harrison, Houston, Jasper, Jefferson, Liberty, Montgomery, Nacogdoches, Newton, Orange, Panola, Polk, Rusk, Sabine, San Augustine, San Jacinto, Shelby, Trinity, Tyler, and Walker counties.
It is unlawful to use dogs to trail a wounded deer in the counties listed above.

Re: Illegal to Run Deer with Hounds in TX? [Re: COON HUNTER 79] #3853977 12/16/12 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted By: COON HUNTER 79
Your property owner is telling you to commit an illegal act.....



So actually you were telling someone to commit an illegal act... Hmmmmm
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• Dogs may not be used to hunt deer in this state.
- A person is prohibited from using a dog to hunt or pursue deer in this state. A person who
violates this law is subject to a fine of $500-$4,000 and/or a year in jail. Additionally, a
person’s hunting and fishing licenses may be revoked or suspended. In addition, no person
may possess a shotgun and buckshot or slugs while in the field with dogs on another person’s
land during an open deer season in Angelina, Hardin, Harris, Harrison, Houston, Jasper,
Jefferson, Liberty, Montgomery, Nacogdoches, Newton, Orange, Panola, Polk, Rusk, Sabine, San
Augustine, San Jacinto, Shelby, Trinity, Tyler, and Walker counties.
- It is unlawful to use dogs to trail a wounded deer in the counties listed above.
- N ot more than two dogs may be used to trail a wounded deer in counties not listed above. A
“wounded deer” is a deer leaving a blood trail.
• Pheasant may not be hunted by means of a cable, chain, or rope connected to or between a
moving object or objects.

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Re: Illegal to Run Deer with Hounds in TX? [Re: TEXAN1970] #3854078 12/16/12 11:30 PM
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They would only run through our place once.


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Re: Illegal to Run Deer with Hounds in TX? [Re: Ranch Dawg] #3854098 12/16/12 11:36 PM
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Not impressed.....I could care less I dont run deer.......

Re: Illegal to Run Deer with Hounds in TX? [Re: COON HUNTER 79] #3854105 12/16/12 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: COON HUNTER 79
Not impressed.....I could care less I dont run deer.......

Saying you "could care less" implies that you care somewhat. Saying "I couldN'T care less" implies that you do not care at all. FYI


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Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.

Re: Illegal to Run Deer with Hounds in TX? [Re: COON HUNTER 79] #3854118 12/16/12 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted By: COON HUNTER 79
Not impressed.....I could care less I dont run deer.......


Your posture throughout this thread is that you do or trying to rationalize doing it.

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Re: Illegal to Run Deer with Hounds in TX? [Re: Jacob645] #3854147 12/16/12 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jacob645
So you just want to exercise the deer?
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I suspect you're too young to know anything about fox or bobcat hunting. There was a time when it was common to find men sitting around a fire in East Texas, listening to their hounds run a fox or bobcat. There was never an intention to kill anything but just to hear a good "race". And whenever it became difficult to hear the hounds, they would put out the fire, pack their stuff, and move to another location closer to the action. My grandfather was one of them and took tremendous pride in his fox hounds. And these hounds had a very unique appearance that you won't find anywhere today. These were days when you would be hard pressed to find a deer anywhere in East Texas. And a good race might last most of an entire night.

Today the same is somewhat true for coon hunters, although the coon is shot or "squalled" (called) down out of the tree far more often. But still, the emphasis is on hearing a good race as the dogs "work the track." That's also why trying to get the coon to jump out of the tree and continue the race is seen as a very good thing.


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Great post Dan and very true.


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Trying to chase deer for the fun of it is crazy

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To some, the sound of a good hound working a track is like sipping on fine bourbon. In fact, the two often go well together when sitting around a warm campfire.

Like hunting itself, a desire to be "houndsman" is something that may or may not be in your blood.


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The OP made no mention of chasing coons, bobcats, fox or anything else with his dogs.
He asked about chasing / running deer with his hounds which in Tx is illegal.
If the OP wanted to run coons or bobcat (anything ecxept game animals) with his hounds he wouldve asked that question. From my understanding out side of deer season it is legal to run hounds on varmints.
Of course he could've just looked it up in the outdoor annual or found the info on TPWD's website.
I won't shoot coon dogs or hog dogs or the neighbors dogs just because they are on or run across my property. Attack a calf or so much as growl at my wife then they have crossed the line.

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Originally Posted By: Rustler
The OP made no mention of chasing coons, bobcats, fox or anything else with his dogs.
He asked about chasing / running deer with his hounds which in Tx is illegal.
If the OP wanted to run coons or bobcat (anything ecxept game animals) with his hounds he wouldve asked that question. From my understanding out side of deer season it is legal to run hounds on varmints.
Of course he could've just looked it up in the outdoor annual or found the info on TPWD's website.
I won't shoot coon dogs or hog dogs or the neighbors dogs just because they are on or run across my property. Attack a calf or so much as growl at my wife then they have crossed the line.


Having hunted deer with dogs as a kid gorwing up in Mississippi, I give serious doubt that anyone with an interest in running them at night has a desire to shoot them as well. While I've seen men who could shoot one on the dead run in good daylight, none of them could have done it at night.

And any houndsman knows all too well that deer leave a very hot track that unfortunately, many weak-minded hounds cannot ignore. In fact, I've seen many hounds run a deer at night in Texas, much to the disgust of their owners. grin


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Originally Posted By: Texas Dan
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So you just want to exercise the deer?
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I suspect you're too young to know anything about fox or bobcat hunting. There was a time when it was common to find men sitting around a fire in East Texas, listening to their hounds run a fox or bobcat. There was never an intention to kill anything but just to hear a good "race". And whenever it became difficult to hear the hounds, they would put out the fire, pack their stuff, and move to another location closer to the action. My grandfather was one of them and took tremendous pride in his fox hounds. And these hounds had a very unique appearance that you won't find anywhere today. These were days when you would be hard pressed to find a deer anywhere in East Texas. And a good race might last most of an entire night.

Today the same is somewhat true for coon hunters, although the coon is shot or "squalled" (called) down out of the tree far more often. But still, the emphasis is on hearing a good race as the dogs "work the track." That's also why trying to get the coon to jump out of the tree and continue the race is seen as a very good thing.


Very well written. My father was one of those men also. I like to remind everyone that red fox are not native to west Texas. Men such as my father would buy reds in the 50's from trappers in Arkansas paying as much as $250 for a pair to seed Parker, Palo Pinto, Johnson, Bosque and surrounding counties.

As a yound man in my teens, we ran hounds around Chalk Mountain, Blum and I can tell you the deer knew our hounds were not a threat. Many times we would walk up on a treed coon and see deer standing 200 or 300 yards in the distance. We ran hounds to listen to the "Mountain Music". We didn't drink, we didn't even carry a gun. It was great fun and I wish we could still do it.


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So you just want to exercise the deer?
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I suspect you're too young to know anything about fox or bobcat hunting. There was a time when it was common to find men sitting around a fire in East Texas, listening to their hounds run a fox or bobcat. There was never an intention to kill anything but just to hear a good "race". And whenever it became difficult to hear the hounds, they would put out the fire, pack their stuff, and move to another location closer to the action. My grandfather was one of them and took tremendous pride in his fox hounds. And these hounds had a very unique appearance that you won't find anywhere today. These were days when you would be hard pressed to find a deer anywhere in East Texas. And a good race might last most of an entire night.

Today the same is somewhat true for coon hunters, although the coon is shot or "squalled" (called) down out of the tree far more often. But still, the emphasis is on hearing a good race as the dogs "work the track." That's also why trying to get the coon to jump out of the tree and continue the race is seen as a very good thing.


Very well written. My father was one of those men also. I like to remind everyone that red fox are not native to west Texas. Men such as my father would buy reds in the 50's from trappers in Arkansas paying as much as $250 for a pair to seed Parker, Palo Pinto, Johnson, Bosque and surrounding counties.

As a yound man in my teens, we ran hounds around Chalk Mountain, Blum and I can tell you the deer knew our hounds were not a threat. Many times we would walk up on a treed coon and see deer standing 200 or 300 yards in the distance. We ran hounds to listen to the "Mountain Music". We didn't drink, we didn't even carry a gun. It was great fun and I wish we could still do it.


As for our more positive comments relative to the original post, any good houndsman is going to give the benefit of doubt to anyone who appears eager to hear a good race.


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True East Texas Foxhounds, mid 1930's

Let me add that like true hunting skills that don't include feeders and food plots, the use of hounds to chase (and not kill) wild game is quickly disappearing from our hunting culture.

Notice too the very long legs on most of these hounds, necessary in keeping up a good race.



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The original post was about chasing / running DEER with hounds in the DEER HUNTING section, you hijacked the thread and turned it into a pontification about yourself and your childhood memories. ( Re read the title of this thread )
I can find no laws that prohibit a houndsman from running / chasing anything besides deer, so I don't understand why a person couldn't still do it if they had the desire to do so. An email to TPWD will answer the question 100% accurately.

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Originally Posted By: Rustler
The original post was about chasing / running DEER with hounds in the DEER HUNTING section, you hijacked the thread and turned it into a pontification about yourself and your childhood memories.
I can find no laws that prohibit a houndsman from running / chasing anything besides deer, so I don't understand why a person couldn't still do it if they had the desire to do so. An email to TPWD will answer the question 100% accurately.


Get off your high horse and take a deep breath. It's been years since dogs have been used to hunt deer in East Texas, and I don't see any efforts being made to return the practice. And did you see the need for a personal attack as really being necessary.

I can assurre you these and all my hunting memories are safe from people like you.


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You proved the point once again. up rofl

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Had this thread been about running hounds on varmints / legal pursuits or you had started a thread about various experiences running hounds I'd never made a "negative " comment, but that ain't at all what the topic of this thread is about.

IMO your hounding experiences are interesting and that picture is terrific.

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Originally Posted By: COON HUNTER 79
Yes it is legal just as long as you dont have a gun,who cares what all these other little turds on here think about it.....


Good thing no one listened to this guy...glad there are people on here who actually look up the facts before posting and really know what they are talking about.

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So you just want to exercise the deer?
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I suspect you're too young to know anything about fox or bobcat hunting. There was a time when it was common to find men sitting around a fire in East Texas, listening to their hounds run a fox or bobcat. There was never an intention to kill anything but just to hear a good "race". And whenever it became difficult to hear the hounds, they would put out the fire, pack their stuff, and move to another location closer to the action. My grandfather was one of them and took tremendous pride in his fox hounds. And these hounds had a very unique appearance that you won't find anywhere today. These were days when you would be hard pressed to find a deer anywhere in East Texas. And a good race might last most of an entire night.

Today the same is somewhat true for coon hunters, although the coon is shot or "squalled" (called) down out of the tree far more often. But still, the emphasis is on hearing a good race as the dogs "work the track." That's also why trying to get the coon to jump out of the tree and continue the race is seen as a very good thing.


No, Dan not too young. My dad went on many fox hunts only about 1/4 mile from where we currently hunt. I just don't know why you'd want to chase a deer around at night just because you can (which you can't). Fox, coons, hogs, and predators I understand. Now, these old timers who chased just to chase, well, to each his own on that. Try explaining to my wife I'm going to hunt, but not kill anything just drink and listen. Shee'll be asking me what "her" name is!

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Originally Posted By: Jacob645
Now, these old timers who chased just to chase, well, to each his own on that. Try explaining to my wife I'm going to hunt, but not kill anything just drink and listen. Shee'll be asking me what "her" name is!


Heard a guy say once that his wife told him before he left for an evening of coon hunting that she had no intentions of sleeping alone that night.

Not sure if it was enough to make him put his hounds back in the pen.


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After Dad died in '94 I sold all his running (coyote) hounds and purchased some show hounds; American Foxhounds and bred them and showed them all over the country for a few years. Here is a fine example of one.



I am the original poster in this thread and the reason I asked the question is I got in a debate with a couple of guys about whether it was legal or not to run a deer in TX without a gun. Nobody had any intention of actually doing so. Anytime I have ever been involved in a deer chase with hounds, it was very much unintended as we had coyote hounds and that was the intended game. But sometimes when you turn a fresh pack of hounds loose and they run headlong into a deer, well, the chase is sometimes on. And houndsmen hate it because every time I've seen it occur, after the hounds start putting the pressure on the deer he makes a bee line and heads straight for a lake whether it's close or 20 miles away.

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