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Something I've noticed on outdoor TV shows... #3855590 12/17/12 05:01 AM
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Why do many outdoor personalities avoid morning hunts for whitetail on occasion?

For instance, I was just watching an episode of Russell Outdoors and the outfitter specifically told the host the following:

"I've got them set up for evenings and you should have plenty of deer coming in without having to hunt the mornings, but having said that we want to keep an eye out for a good buck in the morning."

In this instance they were scouting for deer in neighborhoods during the day for the evening hunt but I've seen this before on other hunting shows as well.

I've always thought it was because they wanted to avoid pushing deer by exiting the stand mid-day (assuming it's not an all day sit) or simply because the deer come to food sources better in the evening but I'm just not sure.

Any opinions are welcome, thanks!

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Maybe it's b/c of wind direction or maybe they are hunting the deer as they return to bedding areas rather than going to food who knows.

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Might not want to push them out in the mornings...no clue really.

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Originally Posted By: SapperTitan
Maybe it's b/c of wind direction or maybe they are hunting the deer as they return to bedding areas rather than going to food who knows.

Good points, I've also noticed it's more common when the shows are taping in the midwest so perhaps it has something to do with deer behavior in that area of the country.


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Re: Something I've noticed on outdoor TV shows... [Re: Troutfisch] #3855917 12/17/12 11:48 AM
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Most of the ones I have seen are when they are hunting crops. Most deer on crops when pushed out in the mornings will not return till that evening. A lot of the areas they hunt do not have much cover also, so if they bump the deer out they will not return till that night or the next night. The limited cover limits access into a blind set in the mornings also. Also by scouting from a distance in the mornings they can tell where the deer left on a certain trail then setup on that trail in the afternoon and have better odds of success.


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Maybe all involved are hungover and just don't feel like getting up....

But seriously, I've been in 3 camps where filming for outdoor shows was taking place. There is a lot of time and activity involved in getting the cameras and set-ups just right. By the time the process gets going, it's often already daylight.

For the life of me, I don't understand the appeal of outdoor/hunting shows. A 30-minute program generally features 5 minutes of hunting and 25 minutes of advertising. And the blatant product promotion by the hunters just makes me want to throw up (we all MUST have the latest proprietary camo and scent blocker and Swaro scope and Hoochie Mama cow call, etc ad nauseum).


And even worse, when there's a film crew in camp, the other hunters get short-shrift, because the outfitter is fawning all over the TV personality and making sure that he gets top priority on the spots to hunt. Meanwhile the paying hunters (the personality gets a free hunt almost without exception) are left with the dregs.

All in all, I'd rather watch Dancing with the Stars.


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Originally Posted By: dawaba
Maybe all involved are hungover and just don't feel like getting up....

But seriously, I've been in 3 camps where filming for outdoor shows was taking place. There is a lot of time and activity involved in getting the cameras and set-ups just right. By the time the process gets going, it's often already daylight.

For the life of me, I don't understand the appeal of outdoor/hunting shows. A 30-minute program generally features 5 minutes of hunting and 25 minutes of advertising. And the blatant product promotion by the hunters just makes me want to throw up (we all MUST have the latest proprietary camo and scent blocker and Swaro scope and Hoochie Mama cow call, etc ad nauseum).


And even worse, when there's a film crew in camp, the other hunters get short-shrift, because the outfitter is fawning all over the TV personality and making sure that he gets top priority on the spots to hunt. Meanwhile the paying hunters (the personality gets a free hunt almost without exception) are left with the dregs.

All in all, I'd rather watch Dancing with the Stars.
you hit the nail on the head!!! I done 3 tv shows and I can promise you most them guys ain't worth a dang. Butt holes are understatements. The only one that I really like was the uncle Ted!! He is what he says he is!!

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Based on my own experience, deer seem to show up when there is more light on morning hunts, and during fading light on evening hunts. And everyone knows that unless you're using night vision equipment, you won't get much on camera shooting in the dark.


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Because the latest fad is letting shot deer sit over night even on a good shot. Can't do that in the morning.

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Because the latest fad is letting shot deer sit over night even on a good shot. Can't do that in the morning.



Yeah that is the craziest thing, you can tell the from the slow mo they made a perfect shot and almost every show the guy/girl says " ok we are going to back out of here and come find him in the morning" don't understand that at all and alot of times it doesn't appear to be that cold outside.

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Originally Posted By: DHR
Because the latest fad is letting shot deer sit over night even on a good shot. Can't do that in the morning.



Yeah that is the craziest thing, you can tell the from the slow mo they made a perfect shot and almost every show the guy/girl says " ok we are going to back out of here and come find him in the morning" don't understand that at all and alot of times it doesn't appear to be that cold outside.
Don't forget, you also want to make sure you have enough light to watch the guy break down like a little girl and start crying about how hard he "worked" as he thanks his wife, kids, god, sponsors, etc... for allowing him to do this and without them, it would not be possible. I think it's funny (not really though) when they come back the next morning and the coyotes have made a meal out of their trophy.


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Maybe some of ya'll can explain this to me. I grew up deer hunting all over the south.( La, Ms, Al, Ar, Tx , Ok, Until hunting shows with Midwest or Northern hosts started showing up on TV, I had never heard a hunter say he killed a buck " last night", in refering to having shot a deer in the afternoon. In My part of the country, if you told some one you killed a deer last night, it meant you shot one in the headlights! Now , I see Waddel, Primos, and others from the south using the term "night". It sounds rediculous to me, if you shot a deer before dark, he was shot in the afternoon or late evening, not at night! What's deal here ? Night time means dark, you can't hunt deer after dark, unless you have a light you can't see a deer at "night".

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Here in west central Texas if you left one over night you would find the bones after the song dogs finished with him.

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Originally Posted By: DHR
Because the latest fad is letting shot deer sit over night even on a good shot. Can't do that in the morning.



Yeah that is the craziest thing, you can tell the from the slow mo they made a perfect shot and almost every show the guy/girl says " ok we are going to back out of here and come find him in the morning" don't understand that at all and alot of times it doesn't appear to be that cold outside.

Yeah that bugs me as well, even if they review footage in camp and see it was a perfect shot many of them still leave the deer overnight.


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Hunting shows...the true double-edged sword; a blessing, and a curse.

I think they've done tremendous things for the hunting community/economy. They've probably gotten more folks into hunting than we as hunters could have done by ourselves.

For the most part, I think they've brought ethics back into the mix, much like fishing shows helped with catch and release. It's now "in style" to wear a safety harness, and they have pushed the development of equipment technology far beyond anyone's imagination.

BUT...

I know folks who don't have a tree to climb anymore now that the outfitters have either come in and leased all the available land, or by competition driven the prices of leases up so much that Average Joe like you and me cannot afford to hunt. At least the farmers can make ends meet now, though.

Also, now every Tom, Dick, and Harry thinks there's a Booner behind every tree in Kansas, Iowa, and Illinois.


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I watch a lot of those shows and I have not noticed that there are more evening hunts than morning hunts. As for the advertising, that's what DVRs are for-I can watch 3-4 'shows' per hour and not see any advertising.

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hard to film in the morning. if your not going to get it on film, there is no point in killing a deer.

much easier to smack one at 4:30 in the afternoon


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Maybe all involved are hungover and just don't feel like getting up....

But seriously, I've been in 3 camps where filming for outdoor shows was taking place. There is a lot of time and activity involved in getting the cameras and set-ups just right. By the time the process gets going, it's often already daylight.

For the life of me, I don't understand the appeal of outdoor/hunting shows. A 30-minute program generally features 5 minutes of hunting and 25 minutes of advertising. And the blatant product promotion by the hunters just makes me want to throw up (we all MUST have the latest proprietary camo and scent blocker and Swaro scope and Hoochie Mama cow call, etc ad nauseum).


And even worse, when there's a film crew in camp, the other hunters get short-shrift, because the outfitter is fawning all over the TV personality and making sure that he gets top priority on the spots to hunt. Meanwhile the paying hunters (the personality gets a free hunt almost without exception) are left with the dregs.

All in all, I'd rather watch Dancing with the Stars.
you hit the nail on the head!!! I done 3 tv shows and I can promise you most them guys ain't worth a dang. Butt holes are understatements. The only one that I really like was the uncle Ted!! He is what he says he is!!

So true....but I still watch. I don't watch much TV anyway but when I do it's Outdoor Channel or A&E

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I often wonder what my deceased Grandfather and Great Uncles from a family of 13 would say about these hunting shows? They grew up on a small farm in PA and really lived a subsistence lifestyle that including hunting, fishing and trapping. It was a way of life, and it seems to me they had a good life. I personally cannot watch the shows anymore given the extreme commercial content. Back when I was 15, (46 now) fifteen minutes in a room with those gentleman could teach you more about being a hunter/man/person than any number of hours on TV with this business that has become hunting. I'm glad everyone has the opportunity to share their particular experiences, but it seems that all of us should rethink what message we are passing on to the next generation?

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If them show's want to impress me they need to come to the East Texas big thicket and kill a 6.5 yr old buck. As far as watching the show's on outdoor and sportsman channel I do watch for entertainment, because they are not hunting as far as im concerned. Camp is not someone's kitchen it's where me and my brother sit around the camp fire and talk about our dad and the other old men who used to be sittin there with us when we were young.

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Originally Posted By: TEXAN1970
If them show's want to impress me they need to come to the East Texas big thicket and kill a 6.5 yr old buck. As far as watching the show's on outdoor and sportsman channel I do watch for entertainment, because they are not hunting as far as im concerned. Camp is not someone's kitchen it's where me and my brother sit around the camp fire and talk about our dad and the other old men who used to be sittin there with us when we were young.

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I was just thinking the other day that if these guys are as good as they think they are, I'd love to see any of them do a show killing a monster on some of the East Texas public lands and be able to do it as regularly as they do on their private HF ranches.

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