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 Scopes with Horus Reticles anyone?
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10/08/12 07:30 PM
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Anyone here use a Horus Vision scope or a scope with their reticles? http://www.horusvision.com/http://www.horusvision.com/horus-popup.htmlSeveral manufacturers have added them to their reticle line up. I have 2 falcons but want to know if anyone has their long range scopes or scopes with their reticles?
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Yes, I have used the Whore House reticles before. They are extremely busy. For target shooting, they work for hold overs on your first round sent down range. But if you miss, you have to adjust from where you held to the new hold where you missed. The reticle makes it take longer for the corrections. Plus, the reticle takes up A LOT of area in the scope, and makes seeing objects and misses much more difficult. I used it for a few range sessions, then I had to sell it. It's just way too busy for me. But some people like them.
I perfer to dial for my elevation and dial for my wind. This way it puts the POI to the center of the cross hair. If I miss, I can then hold for the correction close to the center using the reticle (either MOA or mils, depending on which scope I am shooting). This way I'm not "holding out into space" on the reticle. I prefer the Nightforce MLR (mils) or the NP-R1 in MOA for my scopes and reticles. They work very well.
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Re: Scopes with Horus Reticles anyone?
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I'm with Chad. What limited time I've spent using one it seemed too busy for me, especially since I hunt with the same scope that I target shoot and compete with. I dial elevation and hold wind in Mils. I'll tell myself ".8 left wind" when I see impact or splash I'll leave the wind alone, add, or subtract wind hold based on what happened down range. But I'm on the horizontal bar since I dialed elevation.
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Re: Scopes with Horus Reticles anyone?
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10/08/12 09:05 PM
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Another vote for too much going on.
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Re: Scopes with Horus Reticles anyone?
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10/08/12 10:53 PM
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Hmmm. I'm a brand newbie to the forum and don't want to ruffle any feathers, so I'll tread lightly. However.... I must say that there is absolutely no way that dialing in wind/elevation corrections can be faster than adjusting via reticle. For one thing, most people have to take their eye off the target to look up and dial in a correction, yes? Could there be a slight possibility that adequate training and a complete understanding of the Horus H-58/59 reticle was not provided? ParChaser: The H58/59/TRMR2 (and the Bushnell H2DMR) may be considered 'too busy' for some people and it's probably not necessary if your only going to shoot white tail 200yds at a feeder, but if you want to explore shooting/hunting 800 yds to a mile... you should definitely look into it. Before you make a decision one way or another... go ahead and do a little research on the reticles and figure out for yourself whether it's a fit for you. Research: Todd Hodnett from Accuracy 1st Development Group. www.accuracy1stdg.com
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10/08/12 10:55 PM
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It's not easy finding a bunch of information on Todd and who he's been training for the past 10yrs. However, you can get a real good top level view of how the reticle is being used if you view the dvd series: 'The Art of the Precision Rifle' by Magpul Dynamics. http://www.sportsmans-depot.com/products...m_source=googleBefore you spend $1600 - $4500 for a scope with this type of reticle, it's well worth the $40-$60 video series to get a good feel for how the reticle works. Personally, I'm selling off everything I can to scrape up enough dough to get one ASAP.
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I would say it's more user preference on how fast it can be operated in timed situations. To me the HDMR G2 is more user friendly than the H58/H59.
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Re: Scopes with Horus Reticles anyone?
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Hmmm. I'm a brand newbie to the forum and don't want to ruffle any feathers, so I'll tread lightly. However.... I must say that there is absolutely no way that dialing in wind/elevation corrections can be faster than adjusting via reticle. For one thing, most people have to take their eye off the target to look up and dial in a correction, yes? Could there be a slight possibility that adequate training and a complete understanding of the Horus H-58/59 reticle was not provided? ParChaser: The H58/59/TRMR2 (and the Bushnell H2DMR) may be considered 'too busy' for some people and it's probably not necessary if your only going to shoot white tail 200yds at a feeder, but if you want to explore shooting/hunting 800 yds to a mile... you should definitely look into it. Before you make a decision one way or another... go ahead and do a little research on the reticles and figure out for yourself whether it's a fit for you. Research: Todd Hodnett from Accuracy 1st Development Group. www.accuracy1stdg.comI've shot beside Chad in matches. The kind we shoot everything is under time. And when there's 60 shooters in a precision match and evey one of them will dial elevation at every opportunity, that blows your theory. Holding elevation is a have to scenario. When engaging multiple targets at multiple ranges. Myself and many other shooters keep a quarterback's playbook on our wrist that holds dope cards. When the mutiple target situation arrises we write on the clear plastic, with overhead projector marker, the elevation hold for each target. But when time allows we all dial elevation. It is a more precise way of getting proper elevation for the target. There is no problem taking your eye off target if you've built a good position. If you have then the reticle will still be on target when go back to the scope. Shoot from barricades, or unsupported positions and see how well you can hold both elevation and wind while muscling a 15 pound rifle at the same time. I've seen every minute of he Magpul DVDs and overall gave it a B-. But I'm not brand new to this. I figured I always have something to learn, and I did pick up a couple of small tid bits of useful information. But not 500 minutes worth. There is a whole bunch of koolaid in those DVDs. A Mil reticle and .1 Mil turrets is all I need to get the job done.
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Re: Scopes with Horus Reticles anyone?
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10/09/12 01:45 AM
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However.... I must say that there is absolutely no way that dialing in wind/elevation corrections can be faster than adjusting via reticle. For one thing, most people have to take their eye off the target to look up and dial in a correction, yes? I first dial in the elevation and wind for the shot to get it as close to center of the cross hair. I send the round, and see where the shot goes. If I need to make a correction, I then hold the correction using the reticle. It is very fast and is close to the center, if not right on, and any hold from there will be easy to use the reticle as a ruler when it's near the center. (I want to avoid "holding off into space" in the scope as much as possible for precision) With the Horus (or whore house), you hold your elevation and windage somewhere on the grid. If you have to make a second shot correction, you have to find your original hold on the grid, then make a correction from that point on the grid. That's a lot of grid to be looking at and takes time to find your your original spot and more time to make the correction. Dialing is ALWAYS more precise than holding when you factor in .1's of windage and elevation on a grid. The Horus holdovers work, but they are not as precise and are slower for me. I'm much faster dialing elevation and wind and much more precise. But for a sniper needing to make a body hit on a target quickly, it can work.
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10/09/12 04:22 AM
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Dee: That's pretty much what I was saying. I assume the reason there are several reticles out there is because many are built for different purposes & every person is different.
Fireman JG: I wasn't questioning anyone's ability to shoot. I have no idea if Chad can shoot a hair off a rat at 1000yds. I know all about dope cards, etc. and I drink no one's kool-aid. My least fav part of the vids is the original Magpul guys in it, and if you recall, I said a 'Top Level' aka 30,000ft view of how the reticle is used.
As far as Todd Hodnett, If people I greatly respect say he knows what he's talking about, then that's what I'll do. Also, I don't know much about 'matches' yet, my training comes from a different realm.
Chad: That's outstanding that you tried it out and had to sell it, there are other folks who absolutely love it. That's the problem with expensive glass, it can be hard to get hands on and test without buying. And I absolutely agree that .10mil turret adjustments will always be more precise than any human holdover (assuming you have time & your dope is positively correct). For that matter, 1/4" MOA would be even more precise yes?
The H reticle doesn't keep you 'from' dialing dope if that's what your want to do. Also I wasn't referring to absolute precision, I was talking about speed (i.e. no need to dial at all). That's what the H reticle & accompanying ballistic solvers are built for correct?
As I was saying, he should just check it out for himself.
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10/09/12 11:12 AM
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Dee: That's pretty much what I was saying. I assume the reason there are several reticles out there is because many are built for different purposes & every person is different.
Fireman JG: I wasn't questioning anyone's ability to shoot. I have no idea if Chad can shoot a hair off a rat at 1000yds. I know all about dope cards, etc. and I drink no one's kool-aid. My least fav part of the vids is the original Magpul guys in it, and if you recall, I said a 'Top Level' aka 30,000ft view of how the reticle is used.
As far as Todd Hodnett, If people I greatly respect say he knows what he's talking about, then that's what I'll do. Also, I don't know much about 'matches' yet, my training comes from a different realm.
Chad: That's outstanding that you tried it out and had to sell it, there are other folks who absolutely love it. That's the problem with expensive glass, it can be hard to get hands on and test without buying. And I absolutely agree that .10mil turret adjustments will always be more precise than any human holdover (assuming you have time & your dope is positively correct). For that matter, 1/4" MOA would be even more precise yes?
The H reticle doesn't keep you 'from' dialing dope if that's what your want to do. Also I wasn't referring to absolute precision, I was talking about speed (i.e. no need to dial at all). That's what the H reticle & accompanying ballistic solvers are built for correct?
As I was saying, he should just check it out for himself. Speed can get you off just as easy as it gets that first round hit. I feel like a true ballistic turret would be faster than the Horus stuff.
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Re: Scopes with Horus Reticles anyone?
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10/09/12 02:41 PM
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Hi Dee,
I would agree... assuming your using the specific load the BDC was setup for, on 1 specific gun, in 1 specific configuration... In that case you might not need an adaptive reticle like a Horus Style.
I prefer to have the ability change my load or move my glass to another gun, another caliber, etc.
Kind of like how the other guys have a preference against the Horus type reticles, My preference is toward adaptability, which the ballistic turrets and BDC reticles don't provide.
For example my issued Trijicon ACOG had a bdc reticle in it. It was perfect for that gun with the average issued ammo. However, if I would have gotten hands on different (or better) ammo or gotten a longer or shorter barrel, it would have been pretty much useless.
...and that's why they sell so many types of scopes & reticles. For some people, the BDC and/or ballistic turrets are perfect.
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10/09/12 02:59 PM
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and I do like the HDMR G2 reticle as well. I'll get whatever I can afford for now.
Bottom line is... no matter what you get, stick with it and learn how to use it very well. There is no piece of gear that is a magic bullet that will suddenly make you a winner. The most expensive gear on the market is useless in the hands of someone who didn't put in the time & effort to learn how to use it.
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The Horus is an adaptive reticle. It is in Mils. What's more universal than Mils or MOA?
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Re: Scopes with Horus Reticles anyone?
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10/11/12 07:58 PM
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I like an advanced mildot or christmas tree style. Dial elevation, hold wind. No thanks 
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Dayum!! That makes me want to 
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Hmmm. I'm a brand newbie to the forum and don't want to ruffle any feathers, so I'll tread lightly. However.... I must say that there is absolutely no way that dialing in wind/elevation corrections can be faster than adjusting via reticle. For one thing, most people have to take their eye off the target to look up and dial in a correction, yes? Could there be a slight possibility that adequate training and a complete understanding of the Horus H-58/59 reticle was not provided? ParChaser: The H58/59/TRMR2 (and the Bushnell H2DMR) may be considered 'too busy' for some people and it's probably not necessary if your only going to shoot white tail 200yds at a feeder, but if you want to explore shooting/hunting 800 yds to a mile... you should definitely look into it. Before you make a decision one way or another... go ahead and do a little research on the reticles and figure out for yourself whether it's a fit for you. Research: Todd Hodnett from Accuracy 1st Development Group. www.accuracy1stdg.com I had the opportunity to play around with a friend's Horus Hawk on a 400 yard range on that same friend's ranch. I'm certainly no expert nor am I what anyone would mistake for a long range shooter (wind doping is a strange and mysterious skill to me), but I found it to be extremely cool. It certainly is busy and I think that's going to be a toss-up whether any given shooter/hunter is going to like it, but I could learn to hunt with it for sure. All that said, a mil dot reticle really does about the same job for holdovers in anything that I would call a practical hunting situation... (Note: 800 to 1 mile isn't what I would call practical, but I recognize that may not be the case for everyone else)
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10/12/12 12:11 AM
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I would be on that one for sure... if it wasn't nearly 1/4 the $ as the truck I would use to get to the range. Maybe someday, Haha.
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Looks the same to me 
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